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[dreman9999]

Bill Casey wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Nope. The singularity is still averted.
Even if nobody chose to embrace the synthetic traits, they could use
them if facing extinction. Therefore, no need for the Catalyst to be
around any more.

The Reapers are around and noone is trying to kill them...

that's why synthesis is slowly happening.

[Bill Casey]

EDI essentially describes people becoming reapers...

[ghost9191]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...
And what about the organics?  Has all organic life in the Milky Way gotten what it wanted because of synthesis?

They can alter their own desires and impulses, like a synthetic (optional, too).

They can upload parts of their consciousness' to other bodies, or Consensus (optional, too).

It's not about what you get. It's about the options it gives everyone.

But why do they have to become like a sythnetic, and be able to do things that originally only synthetics could do?  What ever happened to species being unique?  Is there anything wrong with certain species not being able to do things that others's can't?

Mankind is supposed to be a unique species, just because it can't do things that robots can, doesn't mean it has to change.  Man and other organic species are fine the way they are.

and that is how a species advances, by overcoming limitations, if you go the route synthesis you no longer need to advance past anything. or work to achieve , you stagnate

that is one argument. felt like adding more to it but don't feel like typing what has been said

Since when was it stated that limitations were eliminated in synthesis? All that was stated was that synthetics and organics would eventually understand each other and are on better terms.

1 i was not talking to u <_<

2 shut up

3 your opinoin does not matter to me

4 those were jokes don't get too upset

5 i was head cannoning, if they can , i can

[Bill Casey]

In synthesis, it's stated they eliminate poverty, disease and overpopulation while transcending mortality...

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

edi says alot of things, and i wouldn't say it is improving, that damn dystopia is a lie, well the utopia is which would make it a dystopia so it is not a lie, the dystopia part anyways.

hacket also says that "we can achieve a future far greater then any one of us could ever imagine" and with that we don't need to force a change on everyone

synthesis is opposite, with destroy you rebuild on your own, achieve your own future on your own terms, synthesis forces it and instead of uniting despite differences , they are instead removed . i mean between organics and synthetics.

i prefer to let the races achieve their own future, work out problems, unite and come together without forcing synthesis on everyone. or needing the reapers to rebuild

it might take longer to rebuild the relays in destroy but the races learn and do it for themselves, learning how they work in the process,. not needing the reapers

but hey if you want to believe the only way we will accept others that are different is by removing those defferences then "so be it" i however believe we can learn tolerance

Don't presume to know my intentions.

3 of the endings (Destroy, Control and Synthesis), in their slideshows, all gloss over the bad points. Of course it won't be utopia, that's stupid.

Synthesis does not eliminate differences. It gives each and every person more options as to how they live. It results in more diversity, as a matter of fact, as everyone will likely want a different ratio of organic/synthetic traits.

Some will even want 100% organic, 100% synthetic. That is also fine.

[Jamie9]

Bill Casey wrote...

In synthesis, it's stated they eliminate poverty, disease and overpopulation while transcending mortality...

Because they have the Reapers' knowledge of star systems now. They'd have practically unlimited Garden Worlds. Why would poverty be a problem?

Disease is solved by becoming partly synthetic (if you so wish).

Overpopulation would be solved by the Garden Planets again.

They haven't transcended mortality. EDI states that they MIGHT be able to, eventually.

[me308f1cd5c]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

edi says alot of things, and i wouldn't say it is improving, that damn dystopia is a lie, well the utopia is which would make it a dystopia so it is not a lie, the dystopia part anyways.

hacket also says that "we can achieve a future far greater then any one of us could ever imagine" and with that we don't need to force a change on everyone

synthesis is opposite, with destroy you rebuild on your own, achieve your own future on your own terms, synthesis forces it and instead of uniting despite differences , they are instead removed . i mean between organics and synthetics.

i prefer to let the races achieve their own future, work out problems, unite and come together without forcing synthesis on everyone. or needing the reapers to rebuild

it might take longer to rebuild the relays in destroy but the races learn and do it for themselves, learning how they work in the process,. not needing the reapers

but hey if you want to believe the only way we will accept others that are different is by removing those defferences then "so be it" i however believe we can learn tolerance

Don't presume to know my intentions.

3 of the endings (Destroy, Control and Synthesis), in their slideshows, all gloss over the bad points. Of course it won't be utopia, that's stupid.

Synthesis does not eliminate differences. It gives each and every person more options as to how they live. It results in more diversity, as a matter of fact, as everyone will likely want a different ratio of organic/synthetic traits.

Some will even want 100% organic, 100% synthetic. That is also fine.

Um....but they can never be 100% organgic....even if they wanted to.

Modifié par me308f1cd5c, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:21 .

[Jamie9]

me308f1cd5c wrote...
Um....but they can never be 100% organgic....even if they wanted to.

Well, technically it would be 99% organic, as they'd retain that green hue. But otherwise, they could treat the synthetic traits how we treat our apendix - that is, we ignore it's existence.

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

edi says alot of things, and i wouldn't say it is improving, that damn dystopia is a lie, well the utopia is which would make it a dystopia so it is not a lie, the dystopia part anyways.

hacket also says that "we can achieve a future far greater then any one of us could ever imagine" and with that we don't need to force a change on everyone

synthesis is opposite, with destroy you rebuild on your own, achieve your own future on your own terms, synthesis forces it and instead of uniting despite differences , they are instead removed . i mean between organics and synthetics.

i prefer to let the races achieve their own future, work out problems, unite and come together without forcing synthesis on everyone. or needing the reapers to rebuild

it might take longer to rebuild the relays in destroy but the races learn and do it for themselves, learning how they work in the process,. not needing the reapers

but hey if you want to believe the only way we will accept others that are different is by removing those defferences then "so be it" i however believe we can learn tolerance

Don't presume to know my intentions.

3 of the endings (Destroy, Control and Synthesis), in their slideshows, all gloss over the bad points. Of course it won't be utopia, that's stupid.

Synthesis does not eliminate differences. It gives each and every person more options as to how they live. It results in more diversity, as a matter of fact, as everyone will likely want a different ratio of organic/synthetic traits.

Some will even want 100% organic, 100% synthetic. That is also fine.

i was talking in the way of organics and synthetics, if it does as you say, then that did nothing. why not just not choose synthesis. why force a change if they will then get the chance to unchange the change that was forced upon them.

and it doesnt fix the whole synthetic vs organic issue, reason to choose is is to remove the differences between synthetics and organics so that they wouldn't need to fight i guess. wow thinking about synthesis really doesn't make sense

anyways where are you getting this fanfic that you try to pass as fact again?

[Bill Casey]

Jamie9 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

In synthesis, it's stated they eliminate poverty, disease and overpopulation while transcending mortality...

Because they have the Reapers' knowledge of star systems now. They'd have practically unlimited Garden Worlds. Why would poverty be a problem?

Disease is solved by becoming partly synthetic (if you so wish).

Overpopulation would be solved by the Garden Planets again.

They haven't transcended mortality. EDI states that they MIGHT be able to, eventually.

If by garden planet, you mean happily being loaded into a reaper, then yes...
Reapers have transcended mortality to a realm of existence you cannot even imagine...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:24 .

[me308f1cd5c]

Jamie9 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...
Um....but they can never be 100% organgic....even if they wanted to.

Well, technically it would be 99% organic, as they'd retain that green hue. But otherwise, they could treat the synthetic traits how we treat our apendix - that is, we ignore it's existence.

But they should NOT be forced to be given these traits without their decision.  It is wrong.

[Iakus]

Bioware really didn't think this "no ending is perfect" thing through very well, did they?

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

i was talking in the way of organics and synthetics, if it does as you say, then that did nothing. why not just not choose synthesis. why force a change if they will then get the chance to unchange the change that was forced upon them.

and it doesnt fix the whole synthetic vs organic issue, reason to choose is is to remove the differences between synthetics and organics so that they wouldn't need to fight i guess. wow thinking about synthesis really doesn't make sense

anyways where are you getting this fanfic that you try to pass as fact again?

Well, that's not why I choose Synthesis. I don't think synthetics will always war with organics.

From Mass Effect. All synthetic traits have to be activated, such as self-altering code, uploading to Consensus. It's all activated.

Therefore, if an organic doesn't want to use the synthetic traits, simply don't activate them.

Not fanfic. Just Mass Effect.

[TJBartlemus]

Jamie9 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

In synthesis, it's stated they eliminate poverty, disease and overpopulation while transcending mortality...

Because they have the Reapers' knowledge of star systems now. They'd have practically unlimited Garden Worlds. Why would poverty be a problem?

Disease is solved by becoming partly synthetic (if you so wish).

Overpopulation would be solved by the Garden Planets again.

They haven't transcended mortality. EDI states that they MIGHT be able to, eventually.

Problem with EDI's statement. Synthesis as advertised by starchild was supposed to be the peak of evolution. Meaning they cannot change anymore. So changing to become immortal is not the peak of evolution. It's also like how Starchild advertises himself as the Catalyst but says he was changed by the Crucible. However a true catalyst cannot be changed. The whole point of a catalyst is to change something. Not be changed. 

The "Catalyst" is the one promoting evil. Not BioWare. 

[ghost9191]

Bill Casey wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

In synthesis, it's stated they eliminate poverty, disease and overpopulation while transcending mortality...

Because they have the Reapers' knowledge of star systems now. They'd have practically unlimited Garden Worlds. Why would poverty be a problem?

Disease is solved by becoming partly synthetic (if you so wish).

Overpopulation would be solved by the Garden Planets again.

They haven't transcended mortality. EDI states that they MIGHT be able to, eventually.

If by garden planet, you mean happily being loaded into a reaper, then yes...
Reapers have transcended mortality to a realm of existence you cannot even imagine...

i was gonna quote that

and say that totally doesn't sound like becoming a reaper   /sarcasm

was just looking for the exact


"as the line between synthetic and organic disappears, we may transcend mortality itself...  To reach a level of existence i cannot even imagine"

there we go, that sounds way too much liike becoming a reaper

and that kinda defeats the whole, orh they can be organics or synthetics argument

[Jamie9]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

But they should NOT be forced to be given these traits without their decision.  It is wrong.

All 4 decisions are wrong in that they aren't done by vote. It's still better than wiping out a race though. And it does improve everyone's lives overall.

What's worse morally? Changing someone's skin color slightly (I imagine they could change it themselves, coloring pigmentations in 2186 would be easy I'd think), or wiping out an entire race of innocents?

[TJBartlemus]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

i was talking in the way of organics and synthetics, if it does as you say, then that did nothing. why not just not choose synthesis. why force a change if they will then get the chance to unchange the change that was forced upon them.

and it doesnt fix the whole synthetic vs organic issue, reason to choose is is to remove the differences between synthetics and organics so that they wouldn't need to fight i guess. wow thinking about synthesis really doesn't make sense

anyways where are you getting this fanfic that you try to pass as fact again?

Well, that's not why I choose Synthesis. I don't think synthetics will always war with organics.

From Mass Effect. All synthetic traits have to be activated, such as self-altering code, uploading to Consensus. It's all activated.

Therefore, if an organic doesn't want to use the synthetic traits, simply don't activate them.

Not fanfic. Just Mass Effect.

Where in Mass Effect has it shown that is possible?? So far to me, I have not seen any proof of this. Please show me proof of this in the game or codex. Prove to me this is possible. If not then it shall be taken as false until proven to be used for evidence. 

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

i was gonna quote that

and say that totally doesn't sound like becoming a reaper   /sarcasm

was just looking for the exact

"as the line between synthetic and organic disappears, we may transcend mortality itself...  To reach a level of existence i cannot even imagine"

there we go, that sounds way too much liike becoming a reaper

and that kinda defeats the whole, orh they can be organics or synthetics argument

Shame that quote has no relevance, as they clearly don't become Reapers.

EDI clearly wanted to become more organic. We can't use her as the basis for all.

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

i was talking in the way of organics and synthetics, if it does as you say, then that did nothing. why not just not choose synthesis. why force a change if they will then get the chance to unchange the change that was forced upon them.

and it doesnt fix the whole synthetic vs organic issue, reason to choose is is to remove the differences between synthetics and organics so that they wouldn't need to fight i guess. wow thinking about synthesis really doesn't make sense

anyways where are you getting this fanfic that you try to pass as fact again?

Well, that's not why I choose Synthesis. I don't think synthetics will always war with organics.

From Mass Effect. All synthetic traits have to be activated, such as self-altering code, uploading to Consensus. It's all activated.

Therefore, if an organic doesn't want to use the synthetic traits, simply don't activate them.

Not fanfic. Just Mass Effect.

i don't believe that the statements being made about post ending were in mass effect, if i am wrong then so be it but i saw nothing about garden worlds and holding of hands, or being able to be100% organic or synthetic if choose

[Jamie9]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Where in Mass Effect has it shown that is possible?? So far to me, I have not seen any proof of this. Please show me proof of this in the game or codex. Prove to me this is possible. If not then it shall be taken as false until proven to be used for evidence. 

Synthetics activate all their traits. Legion says this and EDI says it in ME3 specifically. She has a scene where she alters her priorites.

Therefore, when organics are given synthetic traits through Synthesis (we know that happens via the Catalyst), it would work the same way.

[TJBartlemus]

Jamie9 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

But they should NOT be forced to be given these traits without their decision.  It is wrong.

All 4 decisions are wrong in that they aren't done by vote. It's still better than wiping out a race though. And it does improve everyone's lives overall.

What's worse morally? Changing someone's skin color slightly (I imagine they could change it themselves, coloring pigmentations in 2186 would be easy I'd think), or wiping out an entire race of innocents?

But that's wrong. It's not pigmentation that is changed, but instead the very DNA if true. It's far more than just on the surface change. 

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

But they should NOT be forced to be given these traits without their decision.  It is wrong.

All 4 decisions are wrong in that they aren't done by vote. It's still better than wiping out a race though. And it does improve everyone's lives overall.

What's worse morally? Changing someone's skin color slightly (I imagine they could change it themselves, coloring pigmentations in 2186 would be easy I'd think), or wiping out an entire race of innocents?

wow that sounds kinda racist, better to change their skin rather then accept them for who they are, u bastard. and the geth can be rebuilt. basically i feel the few sacrificed for the many is the better option, not the right one m but better

or and the geth weren't innocent

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...
i don't believe that the statements being made about post ending were in mass effect, if i am wrong then so be it but i saw nothing about garden worlds and holding of hands, or being able to be100% organic or synthetic if choose

The Reapers have the entire galaxy mapped out. Why wouldn't they colonize Garden Worlds?

You wouldn't be able to tell who is using synthetic traits by appearance alone. It's all cognitive functions.

[Bill Casey]

Jamie9 wrote...

Shame that quote has no relevance, as they clearly don't become Reapers.

They clearly do...
And they are happy about it...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:33 .

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

wow that sounds kinda racist, better to change their skin rather then accept them for who they are, u bastard. and the geth can be rebuilt. basically i feel the few sacrificed for the many is the better option, not the right one m but better

or and the geth weren't innocent

If I was given 2 choices: Change my mothers' skin color to black, or let her die - guess which one I would pick. That's not racist at all. In fact it shows that skin color doesn't affect me in the slightest.

And I didn't sacrifice anyone.

Nice to see you've reached the level of insults.