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[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...
i don't believe that the statements being made about post ending were in mass effect, if i am wrong then so be it but i saw nothing about garden worlds and holding of hands, or being able to be100% organic or synthetic if choose

The Reapers have the entire galaxy mapped out. Why wouldn't they colonize Garden Worlds?

You wouldn't be able to tell who is using synthetic traits by appearance alone. It's all cognitive functions.

again proof?  the only thing i have to go on is the epilogue , everything else is fanfic, made up. wishful thinking to justify picking synthesis.

[Bill Casey]

You sacrificed everyone...
Everything...

[Jamie9]

TJBartlemus wrote...

But that's wrong. It's not pigmentation that is changed, but instead the very DNA if true. It's far more than just on the surface change. 

Yes, DNA itself is changed. But, again, all synthetic traits previously shown to us have to be activated. Therefore, they don't HAVE to use them.

[TJBartlemus]

Jamie9 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Where in Mass Effect has it shown that is possible?? So far to me, I have not seen any proof of this. Please show me proof of this in the game or codex. Prove to me this is possible. If not then it shall be taken as false until proven to be used for evidence. 

Synthetics activate all their traits. Legion says this and EDI says it in ME3 specifically. She has a scene where she alters her priorites.

Therefore, when organics are given synthetic traits through Synthesis (we know that happens via the Catalyst), it would work the same way.

So your saying that Shepard and Joker can just willingly out of nowhere without something can activate and disable traits? Shepard can just change his renegade eyes from glowy to not out of nowhere? Shepard has synthetic traits but he can't do that. It's also not in the codex as far as I know. This is just your intereptation. Not fact. Sure you could argue this point and it has possibility but is not proof.   

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

The Reapers have the entire galaxy mapped out. Why wouldn't they colonize Garden Worlds?

You wouldn't be able to tell who is using synthetic traits by appearance alone. It's all cognitive functions.

again proof?  the only thing i have to go on is the epilogue , everything else is fanfic, made up. wishful thinking to justify picking synthesis.

The Reapers have the entire galaxy mapped out - They moniter all communication constantly, and have been across the galaxy millions of times. They have to know where Garden worlds are so they know where to look for organics.

Synthetic traits - EDI in ME3.

Cognitive functions - The Catalyst and Legion in ME3.

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

wow that sounds kinda racist, better to change their skin rather then accept them for who they are, u bastard. and the geth can be rebuilt. basically i feel the few sacrificed for the many is the better option, not the right one m but better

or and the geth weren't innocent

If I was given 2 choices: Change my mothers' skin color to black, or let her die - guess which one I would pick. That's not racist at all. In fact it shows that skin color doesn't affect me in the slightest.

And I didn't sacrifice anyone.

Nice to see you've reached the level of insults.

when did i say you sacrificed anyone. i said i feel the few sacrificed for the many is the better option;. I not you

and my mother or my race is not at risk, it is the geth, so again i would sacrifice them

and the way it was said, seemed like you would rather remove differences instead of accepting them and moving on

which is why i said racist

tolerance is a beautiful thing , try it

[Jamie9]

TJBartlemus wrote...

So your saying that Shepard and Joker can just willingly out of nowhere without something can activate and disable traits? Shepard can just change his renegade eyes from glowy to not out of nowhere? Shepard has synthetic traits but he can't do that. It's also not in the codex as far as I know. This is just your intereptation. Not fact. Sure you could argue this point and it has possibility but is not proof.   

Shepard is an organic. Pretty sure EDI brings up this conversation in ME3 too. Shep asks if he's organic or synthetic, and EDI explains his cognitive functions are 100% organic.

That's why Shepard can't do those things.

It's in the game. We know how synthetics work. This is an option for organics post-Synthesis. The game tells us this.

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

when did i say you sacrificed anyone. i said i feel the few sacrificed for the many is the better option;. I not you

and my mother or my race is not at risk, it is the geth, so again i would sacrifice them

and the way it was said, seemed like you would rather remove differences instead of accepting them and moving on

which is why i said racist

tolerance is a beautiful thing , try it

My. God. I tolerate people just fine. I think everybody is equal. Race, gender, social background, none of it matters. It is your feelings and your actions that define you as a person.

Pray tell how I could be more tolerable!

That's your problem. You treat the Geth as "that other" race. I treat each race equally. The death of a Geth is the same as a death of a Human to me.

[TJBartlemus]

Jamie9 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

But that's wrong. It's not pigmentation that is changed, but instead the very DNA if true. It's far more than just on the surface change. 

Yes, DNA itself is changed. But, again, all synthetic traits previously shown to us have to be activated. Therefore, they don't HAVE to use them.

Again these synthetic traits. The only thing mentioned by EDI or Legion are software changes which are mostly personality choices. Not hardware. They also can't just take off shackles in programming. So why after merging with both that this is suddenly possible?? So this point of synthetic traits changing I believe is mute. 

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

So your saying that Shepard and Joker can just willingly out of nowhere without something can activate and disable traits? Shepard can just change his renegade eyes from glowy to not out of nowhere? Shepard has synthetic traits but he can't do that. It's also not in the codex as far as I know. This is just your intereptation. Not fact. Sure you could argue this point and it has possibility but is not proof.   

Shepard is an organic. Pretty sure EDI brings up this conversation in ME3 too. Shep asks if he's organic or synthetic, and EDI explains his cognitive functions are 100% organic.

That's why Shepard can't do those things.

It's in the game. We know how synthetics work. This is an option for organics post-Synthesis. The game tells us this.

actually the game doesn't say, oh everyone and their mother can choose not to be half synthetic in game, it is like totally not the case that they were changed at the genatic level but they have the option turn back to 100% organic instead of living with what was forced on them

sorry tried to stoner that up the best i could, or is it surfer talk , idk

[malakim2099]

Taboo-XX wrote...


No one knows what it's like

To be hated

To be fated

To telling only lies



But my dreams

They aren't as empty

As my conscience seems to be

I have hours, only lonely

My love is vengeance

That's never free


No one knows what it's like

To feel these feelings

Like I do

And I blame you

[Jamie9]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Again these synthetic traits. The only thing mentioned by EDI or Legion are software changes which are mostly personality choices. Not hardware. They also can't just take off shackles in programming. So why after merging with both that this is suddenly possible?? So this point of synthetic traits changing I believe is mute. 

EDI and Legion don't have shackles in their programming. Not once they achieve true sentience.

[TJBartlemus]

Jamie9 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

So your saying that Shepard and Joker can just willingly out of nowhere without something can activate and disable traits? Shepard can just change his renegade eyes from glowy to not out of nowhere? Shepard has synthetic traits but he can't do that. It's also not in the codex as far as I know. This is just your intereptation. Not fact. Sure you could argue this point and it has possibility but is not proof.   

Shepard is an organic. Pretty sure EDI brings up this conversation in ME3 too. Shep asks if he's organic or synthetic, and EDI explains his cognitive functions are 100% organic.

That's why Shepard can't do those things.

It's in the game. We know how synthetics work. This is an option for organics post-Synthesis. The game tells us this.

WHERE???!!! GIVE ME PROOF!! IN GAME OR CODEX, EITHER WAY GIVE ME PROOF!!! (Sorry if sounds like an attack, it's not, just trying to get this message across to you clearly.)

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

actually the game doesn't say, oh everyone and their mother can choose not to be half synthetic in game, it is like totally not the case that they were changed at the genatic level but they have the option turn back to 100% organic instead of living with what was forced on them

sorry tried to stoner that up the best i could, or is it surfer talk , idk

Look, this conversation is over.

You're blatantly not listening to me, and your past three posts have labelled me as a racist, intollerable of others, and now a drug addict.

You shouldn't be surprised that I don't consider this civil discourse.

[Apple Lantern]

liggy002 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Control. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Refuse. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Destroy. Oh wait.

You're missing the point.   Synthesis is painted as the "best" ending because you need the highest EMS to get it.

Honestly, I'd say it was destroy, considering when you get really high EMS for that Shepard lives. 

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

when did i say you sacrificed anyone. i said i feel the few sacrificed for the many is the better option;. I not you

and my mother or my race is not at risk, it is the geth, so again i would sacrifice them

and the way it was said, seemed like you would rather remove differences instead of accepting them and moving on

which is why i said racist

tolerance is a beautiful thing , try it

My. God. I tolerate people just fine. I think everybody is equal. Race, gender, social background, none of it matters. It is your feelings and your actions that define you as a person.

Pray tell how I could be more tolerable!

That's your problem. You treat the Geth as "that other" race. I treat each race equally. The death of a Geth is the same as a death of a Human to me.

don't presume you know how i feel

but i was talking about my mother mainly, hell no i won't sacrifice her, that is just wrong, but when it comes to sacrificing the geth for 13 other species, giving thme the chance to self determine and build their own future, yes i will sacrifice the geth ( which can be rebuilt) in order to achieve that

[Jamie9]

TJBartlemus wrote...

WHERE???!!! GIVE ME PROOF!! IN GAME OR CODEX, EITHER WAY GIVE ME PROOF!!! (Sorry if sounds like an attack, it's not, just trying to get this message across to you clearly.)

Oh god. I'll try to find a video of that conversation with EDI. Sorry, didn't realise you meant you LITERALLY wanted proof.

[TJBartlemus]

Jamie9 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Again these synthetic traits. The only thing mentioned by EDI or Legion are software changes which are mostly personality choices. Not hardware. They also can't just take off shackles in programming. So why after merging with both that this is suddenly possible?? So this point of synthetic traits changing I believe is mute. 

EDI and Legion don't have shackles in their programming. Not once they achieve true sentience.

*sigh* Yes, but EDI had those taken off for her. She didn't take them off. She can't. So why would she be to after synthesis??

[Kathleen321]

I think synthesis looks cool. If someone offered me a stronger body with cool glowing eyes and skin for free I'd be like hell yeah! Free Augments!

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

actually the game doesn't say, oh everyone and their mother can choose not to be half synthetic in game, it is like totally not the case that they were changed at the genatic level but they have the option turn back to 100% organic instead of living with what was forced on them

sorry tried to stoner that up the best i could, or is it surfer talk , idk

Look, this conversation is over.

You're blatantly not listening to me, and your past three posts have labelled me as a racist, intollerable of others, and now a drug addict.

You shouldn't be surprised that I don't consider this civil discourse.

one i never called you any of those, i said it sounded racist, 2 i was joking with the surfer talk, like trying to talk as one through text

and 3 i do see where you are coming from but you are just making it up, it has no backing or evidence

just like there is no evidence that everything is happy in synthesis, otehr then the way edi is talking but it seems more like a dystopia

[ghost9191]

Kathleen321 wrote...

I think synthesis looks cool. If someone offered me a stronger body with cool glowing eyes and skin for free I'd be like hell yeah! Free Augments!

which is fine, i biggest issue is it wasn't offered to anyone. it was forced

but yeah it would be cool to have glowing eyes

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

one i never called you any of those, i said it sounded racist, 2 i was joking with the surfer talk, like trying to talk as one through text

and 3 i do see where you are coming from but you are just making it up, it has no backing or evidence

just like there is no evidence that everything is happy in synthesis, otehr then the way edi is talking but it seems more like a dystopia

You did. You also called me a b*****d.

I never said that everything would be happy after synthesis. In fact, I find that unlikely. People still have different opinions, after all.

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

one i never called you any of those, i said it sounded racist, 2 i was joking with the surfer talk, like trying to talk as one through text

and 3 i do see where you are coming from but you are just making it up, it has no backing or evidence

just like there is no evidence that everything is happy in synthesis, otehr then the way edi is talking but it seems more like a dystopia

You did. You also called me a b*****d.

I never said that everything would be happy after synthesis. In fact, I find that unlikely. People still have different opinions, after all.

 yeah i called you a bastard, but not a racist, or a drug addict, or a person that is incapable of tolerance, ya i implied the last one but again i explained why i said that. i didn't call you it i just said the way you came off it seemed that way

and i know i was just giving my opinion on synthesis. and i was curious because i didn't know if you learned something i did not about synthesis, that is why i was asking for like evidence, like tweets or some crap

[TJBartlemus]

ghost9191 wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

I think synthesis looks cool. If someone offered me a stronger body with cool glowing eyes and skin for free I'd be like hell yeah! Free Augments!

which is fine, i biggest issue is it wasn't offered to anyone. it was forced

but yeah it would be cool to have glowing eyes

Ninjas would become ineffecient. :ph34r: Doesn't help when your hiding and people can see your eyes.

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

 yeah i called you a bastard, but not a racist, or a drug addict, or a person that is incapable of tolerance, ya i implied the last one but again i explained why i said that. i didn't call you it i just said the way you came off it seemed that way

and i know i was just giving my opinion on synthesis. and i was curious because i didn't know if you learned something i did not about synthesis, that is why i was asking for like evidence, like tweets or some crap

I was applying the lore we learn from Legion and the lore we learn from EDI to the lore we learn from the Catalyst.

As far as I can tell, I didn't make anything up. Some of it, we don't directly see, I'm just extrapolating the lore we know and applying it to Synthesis. If BioWare expanded upon Synthesis, they could easily ignore their own lore (as they frequently do) proving me wrong, though.

I can find video evidence of the sections I'm pulling from from YT, but it's 5AM here. I'll link them in the morning.

Modifié par Jamie9, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:53 .