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[Jamie9]

TJBartlemus wrote...
Ninjas would become ineffecient. :ph34r: Doesn't help when your hiding and people can see your eyes.

"They're masters of stealth. They don't need to breathe. They don't make noise."

"Sir. They have flashlight heads."

[ghost9191]

@jamie9

which is fine, but i have been on multiple threads with you and well at least i think you don't favor one option over another and i know you have tolerance. i as a person however use a lot of sarcasm and joke (i have a dry sense of humor) which usually come off the wrong way through text

and ok, which is understandable about becoming 99% synthetic but you would never become the old you., and i still think overpopulation and wars over Territory will be fought and whatnot. but that is because i am a bit iffy on the garden worlds thing

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

@jamie9

which is fine, but i have been on multiple threads with you and well at least i think you don't favor one option over another and i know you have tolerance. i as a person however use a lot of sarcasm and joke (i have a dry sense of humor) which usually come off the wrong way through text

and ok, which is understandable about becoming 99% synthetic but you would never become the old you., and i still think overpopulation and wars over Territory will be fought and whatnot. but that is because i am a bit iffy on the garden worlds thing

Yeah, I don't really have a preference. All 4 choices are good for different Shepards.

I'm sorry if I was too harsh towards you. It IS 5AM, so I am a little tired, and it is sometimes hard to realise how someone means something by text. So I apologise for anything I might have said.

I don't think overpopulation would happen because there will be literally millions of Garden Worlds to colonize. There will probably still be wars though, as people will still disagree.

[TJBartlemus]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Again these synthetic traits. The only thing mentioned by EDI or Legion are software changes which are mostly personality choices. Not hardware. They also can't just take off shackles in programming. So why after merging with both that this is suddenly possible?? So this point of synthetic traits changing I believe is mute. 

EDI and Legion don't have shackles in their programming. Not once they achieve true sentience.

*sigh* Yes, but EDI had those taken off for her. She didn't take them off. She can't. So why would she be to after synthesis??

Not to be rude Jamie9, but you still have yet to answer this. However if you wish to discuss this later feel free to PM me. 

[Jamie9]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Not to be rude Jamie9, but you still have yet to answer this. However if you wish to discuss this later feel free to PM me. 

It's not rude at all. I spent 10 minutes looking through walkthroughs but couldn't find the bit I was thinking of. Quite a few of them skip the Normandy sections. I'm going to bed now (5AM here), but I'll PM you it tomorrow.

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

@jamie9

which is fine, but i have been on multiple threads with you and well at least i think you don't favor one option over another and i know you have tolerance. i as a person however use a lot of sarcasm and joke (i have a dry sense of humor) which usually come off the wrong way through text

and ok, which is understandable about becoming 99% synthetic but you would never become the old you., and i still think overpopulation and wars over Territory will be fought and whatnot. but that is because i am a bit iffy on the garden worlds thing

Yeah, I don't really have a preference. All 4 choices are good for different Shepards.

I'm sorry if I was too harsh towards you. It IS 5AM, so I am a little tired, and it is sometimes hard to realise how someone means something by text. So I apologise for anything I might have said.

I don't think overpopulation would happen because there will be literally millions of Garden Worlds to colonize. There will probably still be wars though, as people will still disagree.

yea i apologize too, as i said i have a dry humor, and it makes me come off as a assh*le sometimes:innocent:

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Once it involves you, everything becomes grayer.

But Tabs, Keiji's Grey Box became sapient! This means Kasumi gets to have Keiji back since it contains all of the memories, and now it can be downloaded into a bot body and she can have Keiji back.

And this also means that since people are basically organic computers now, we can continually make backups to the "cloud" thus insuring that we never get lost in case the unthinkable happens, and can get downloaded into a new cylon skinjob body on death of the old one.

And now there may be other ramifications depending upon how the authors define Liara's Gift which potentially could be a backup copy and go into a new synthetic/organic body -- all of Shepard minus the last two hours.

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

It's okay, Tabs. You can put your face in a pillow and scream now.

---------------------------------

Regarding overpopulation... I don't think there will be a need to reproduce once a certain population level is reached. I think once that level is reached since everyone can network it will be much easier to reach consensus on maintaining population level instead of growing.

Not necessarily advocating anything. Just pointing out stuff.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 10 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[ghost9191]

just all of that seems wrong for me, idk just even if the ppl are back in that way they are just copies. and i laughed when i i saw keiji and kasumi, was like what hell?

[me308f1cd5c]

ghost9191 wrote...

just all of that seems wrong for me, idk just even if the ppl are back in that way they are just copies. and i laughed when i i saw keiji and kasumi, was like what hell?

It is not really Keiji, just because it has a copy of Keiji's's memories doesn't make him Keiji.  Who we are is more then just memories, i think the fact that i experienced the events which created my memories is an important part of me being me, therefore even if someone created a clone of me, he would not be the same person as me, even if he was given a copy of my memories.

[Necrotron]

Jamie9 wrote...

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Control. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Refuse. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Destroy. Oh wait.

Good point.  They're all terrible.

[BerzerkGene]

dreman9999 wrote...

The theme of ME is what lengths the player would go to stop an unstoppable force. It's to bring the player to moral delema via choice. This has been through out the series. Why is the ending choice to morally difficult to choose if we already had this before in the past 2 games?
Why do some many people want a black and white ending?

Wrong. The theme is overcoming impossible odds by unifying people from diverse backgrounds and cultures.
Thats like saying the theme is Organics vs Synthetics, which is technically true in ME1, destroyed in ME2 and reintroduced at the very end of ME3.
There was a black and white choice in both cases of previous games ME1-Save council, Good. Let them die, bad. ME2- Destroy collector base, Good. Keep collector base, bad.
If destroy didn't kill all synthetics, just Reapers would everyone choose it? Yes. Because it would be exactly what you set out to do, the goal. Plus it would make sense.

[Iakus]

Bathaius wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Control. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Refuse. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Destroy. Oh wait.

Good point.  They're all terrible.

Indeed.  Bioware focused so much on making all the endings "imperfect" that they're all repugnant.  They should have focused on making each ending different flavors of "good"

Modifié par iakus, 10 juillet 2012 - 04:46 .

[BerzerkGene]

I'ts not evil, but the amount of good things that happen because of it is ridiculous. It does however prove Saren was right.
-This is the only ending where you see the Geth and Quarians together.
-Reapers voluntarily help out the galaxy, for some reason.
-Everyone is completely united, all former grudges are buried, completely.
-Synthetics are apparently never made again.
-AIs immediately become 'alive', even though that was where they were headed anyway.
-Everything is resolved forever.
Its rather desperately being plugged as the best ending. I'm still wondering what happens when the new techno-organic Yahg get out into the galaxy and start raping everything.

[TJBartlemus]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

just all of that seems wrong for me, idk just even if the ppl are back in that way they are just copies. and i laughed when i i saw keiji and kasumi, was like what hell?

It is not really Keiji, just because it has a copy of Keiji's's memories doesn't make him Keiji.  Who we are is more then just memories, i think the fact that i experienced the events which created my memories is an important part of me being me, therefore even if someone created a clone of me, he would not be the same person as me, even if he was given a copy of my memories.

Same with Shepard in Control. It's only memories but it doesn't make it Shepard. Meaning he can make his own decisions and go off on a different opinion but he still has had your experiences.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Bathaius wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Control. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Refuse. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Destroy. Oh wait.

Good point.  They're all terrible.

Indeed.  Bioware focused so much on making all the endings "imperfect" that they're all repugnant.  They should have focused on making each ending different flavors of "good"

Agreed.

[MB957]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This will end well.

lol...

if only it would end....

the reapers arent the only ones with cycles it appears...

the immortal topics...lol

[DMWW]

Bioware also gave you endings where you embrace the Dark Side, absorb the power of the Water Dragon and rule as a tyrant, and become a god of murder. That doesn't mean they themselves accept the ethical choices in those endings!

[RiouHotaru]

Jamie9 wrote...

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Control. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Refuse. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Destroy. Oh wait.

This.  If you're going to use informed consent with Synthesis, it has to apply to the other endings as well.  You can't have it both ways.

[xsdob]

I hate absolutist, they suck as people and as thinkers because they cut off all discussion on anything in favor of shouting out only their rhetoric with not willingness to learn or change with time.

[me308f1cd5c]

TJBartlemus wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

just all of that seems wrong for me, idk just even if the ppl are back in that way they are just copies. and i laughed when i i saw keiji and kasumi, was like what hell?

It is not really Keiji, just because it has a copy of Keiji's's memories doesn't make him Keiji.  Who we are is more then just memories, i think the fact that i experienced the events which created my memories is an important part of me being me, therefore even if someone created a clone of me, he would not be the same person as me, even if he was given a copy of my memories.

Same with Shepard in Control. It's only memories but it doesn't make it Shepard. Meaning he can make his own decisions and go off on a different opinion but he still has had your experiences.

Of course since it isn't actually shepard, the control ending brings up a good question, should the species put there trust in this new reaper shepard, or is there a possibility that the reapers will return to there old ways?

[DnVill]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

What do you think? 

All I can say is 


Welcome to the real world.
Where As*h*les get rich and good people get screwed.

[Kataphrut94]

We've heard this all a million times before. The logical choice for people who don't like synthesis is to not pick synthesis.

Also, remember that synthesis is based on the cybernetic parts within Commander Shepard. Shepard never complained about his/her cyborg bits (in fact they saved our life more than a couple times), so I wouldn't expect anyyone else to. From what we've seen of Synthesis in the epilogue, no one finds it intrusive, the only visual difference is the glowing green eyes, the Reapers are now at peace with the galaxy and Joker, EDI and the geth get to be happy. Plenty of good reasons to want to chose synthesis.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:23 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Lol "evil"

[Jamie9]

This link demonstrates the cognitive differences between organics and synthetics. They can both end up at the same place, but the process through which they end up there is completely different. Organics change "naturally", through chemical processes that aren't really under our control.

Synthetics can literally look at their priorities list and change it. Synthesis allows organics to do this to. Obviously, this would be optional, as they could just not change anything.

And as shown through EDI, synthetics gain the ability to have things change "naturally". They still retain the ability to change anything they want, however. Why would it be removed?

Modifié par Jamie9, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:59 .

[Xandurpein]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Regarding overpopulation... I don't think there will be a need to reproduce once a certain population level is reached. I think once that level is reached since everyone can network it will be much easier to reach consensus on maintaining population level instead of growing.

Not necessarily advocating anything. Just pointing out stuff.

Do you realize how integral the desire to produce offspring is in most organic beings? The only way you could reach such a consensus would be if Synthesis started to mess with our basic emotional programming too, and then we definitely can say that we'd no longer be ourselves anymore...