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hoodaticus wrote...You're not just saving 13 species.  You're saving every species that will ever reach the stars.  EDI and the Geth are nothing compared to avenging the tens of thousands of trillions who have been killed by the Reapers over the past billion years.  The Reapers must die.


I don't disagree.

In fact:

Destroy - Vengeance

Synthesis - Justice

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Danathon wrote...

So let me get this straight. A fictional game about fictional races, fictional characters and a fictional force for change in the Galaxy is being used as an analysis of a company's moral compass?

How is a company promoting evil over a story about making the best of a bad situation? Because of how a game ends in a scripted fashion to intentionally provide impossible choices?

This isn't even drawing a long bow. The bow is over there in the corner and you're down the road at the local insane asylum.


Because utopia's are often the solution to chaos presented by the villian, in many other pieces of fiction, through the use of brain-washing, or some other means without consideration to free-will or consent.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

THEN META GAME. ENSURE YOU CAN'T MAKE PEACE.

TOO ****ING BAD BIOWARE.


What is this... meta-gaming? My Shepards don't know how to do this. :unsure:

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That's probably because the quarians had blown them up. ;)


I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I'll laugh. :lol:

They died as they lived; toasters to the end.

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me308f1cd5c wrote...

Space magic.

I'm just trying to say, that if new natural organic life can be created in the Milky Way after a synthesise ending, then whats the point of that ending?  I think bioware meant for synthesise to change all natural life for good in the milky way, and there won't be anymore new natural organic life in that galaxy.

I know it doesn't make any sense in the context of biology....but that's bioware's space magic for you.


Dude, after the bunch of crap that came out of Javik's mouth, it's pretty clear that Bioware doesn't like books.

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@Hoodaticus

agree, 1.5 billion for trillions is acceptable to my shepard, sad but the geth can be rebuilt, i mean though 1 species for 13 other known species, it was established in the first game that some times you have to make the hard choices

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And so another end debate thread is born.

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Jamie9 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...You're not just saving 13 species.  You're saving every species that will ever reach the stars.  EDI and the Geth are nothing compared to avenging the tens of thousands of trillions who have been killed by the Reapers over the past billion years.  The Reapers must die.


I don't disagree.

In fact:

Destroy - Vengeance

Synthesis - Justice


HOW IS IT JUSTICE< YOU ARENT MAKING ANY SENSE:O:O:O:O:O:O

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

They died as they lived; toasters to the end.


I hate you :pinched:

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Jamie9 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

THEN META GAME. ENSURE YOU CAN'T MAKE PEACE.

TOO ****ING BAD BIOWARE.


What is this... meta-gaming? My Shepards don't know how to do this. :unsure:

Meta-gaming is gaming the game (obviously).  The Geth can't be killed by Destroy if the Quarians already took care of them.  I don't know how to get rid of EDI though.

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D24O wrote...

And so another end debate thread is born.

They exist because we allow it, they will be locked because the mods demand it.

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ghost9191 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...



hoodaticus wrote...You're not just saving 13 species.  You're saving every species that will ever reach the stars.  EDI and the Geth are nothing compared to avenging the tens of thousands of trillions who have been killed by the Reapers over the past billion years.  The Reapers must die.


I don't disagree.

In fact:

Destroy - Vengeance

Synthesis - Justice

HOW IS IT JUSTICE< YOU ARENT MAKING ANY SENSE:O:O:O:O:O:O

It's more peace than justice, though some philosophies see no distinction between the two.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:31 .


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Jamie9 wrote...


hoodaticus wrote...You're not just saving 13 species.  You're saving every species that will ever reach the stars.  EDI and the Geth are nothing compared to avenging the tens of thousands of trillions who have been killed by the Reapers over the past billion years.  The Reapers must die.


I don't disagree.

In fact:

Destroy - Vengeance

Synthesis - Justice


How is achieving the enemy's goal, for him, justice? Furthermore, how is it justice when the Reapers aren't made to atone for any of their mistakes? Instead, they just become our bestest budz! I don't see that as Justice.
Control has more justice to it.

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mauro2222 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Space magic.

I'm just trying to say, that if new natural organic life can be created in the Milky Way after a synthesise ending, then whats the point of that ending?  I think bioware meant for synthesise to change all natural life for good in the milky way, and there won't be anymore new natural organic life in that galaxy.

I know it doesn't make any sense in the context of biology....but that's bioware's space magic for you.


Dude, after the bunch of crap that came out of Javik's mouth, it's pretty clear that Bioware doesn't like books.

When the hell is it stated that what ever Javik said is fact. Add, he does have a point. Life is conflict and it's the stronger that always make the rules. It is an honest truth.

Modifié par dreman9999, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:33 .


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I hate you :pinched:

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ghost9191 wrote...
HOW IS IT JUSTICE< YOU ARENT MAKING ANY SENSE:O:O:O:O:O:O


Justice aims to reform a criminal/evil character.

Vengeance aims to, well, avenge the victims.

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hoodaticus wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

THEN META GAME. ENSURE YOU CAN'T MAKE PEACE.

TOO ****ING BAD BIOWARE.


What is this... meta-gaming? My Shepards don't know how to do this. :unsure:

Meta-gaming is gaming the game (obviously).  The Geth can't be killed by Destroy if the Quarians already took care of them.  I don't know how to get rid of EDI though.


edi's response to you destroy the geth just shows how much of a machine she is.    she didn't care that siding with the geth would kill millions of innocent children. CHILDREN. she only cared that you didn't side with a synthetic race. and thinks you are racist for it. that and after she talked in synthesis, i honestly kinda stopped caring for her ,. that ruined edi for me. and i can't un watch the synthesis epilogue

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Jamie9 wrote...

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Control. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Refuse. Oh wait.

Glad to see you got informed consent to use Destroy. Oh wait.


The geth signed on to destroy the Reapers.  Everyone who signs on with Shepard does so with the expectation that they may die.  Nobody signed on with Shepard to a) make himself the new Reaper overlord, or B) hug the Reapers.

If you were to seek informed consent for Synthesis, you can be damn sure the vast majority of galactic citizens would say NO THANKS BRO. PUSH THE RED BUTTON, KTHX.

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Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...
HOW IS IT JUSTICE< YOU ARENT MAKING ANY SENSE:O:O:O:O:O:O


Justice aims to reform a criminal/evil character.

Vengeance aims to, well, avenge the victims.


well i know but i mean you don't really make the reapers reform. you just force everyone else to conform to the reapers ideals

i mean the bastards don't serve time for what they had done, they jsut go on living life, free as a bird. there is no justice in synthesis,

Modifié par ghost9191, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:36 .


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Jamie9 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Meta game the **** out of the series.

Get the Geth killed above Rannoch.

Destroy.

Survive.

Problem?


EDI. :crying:


"Once you start killing friends, war turns into murder"

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ghost9191 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

THEN META GAME. ENSURE YOU CAN'T MAKE PEACE.

TOO ****ING BAD BIOWARE.


What is this... meta-gaming? My Shepards don't know how to do this. :unsure:

Meta-gaming is gaming the game (obviously).  The Geth can't be killed by Destroy if the Quarians already took care of them.  I don't know how to get rid of EDI though.


edi's response to you destroy the geth just shows how much of a machine she is.    she didn't care that siding with the geth would kill millions of innocent children. CHILDREN. she only cared that you didn't side with a synthetic race. and thinks you are racist for it. that and after she talked in synthesis, i honestly kinda stopped caring for her ,. that ruined edi for me. and i can't un watch the synthesis epilogue

What the? When the hell did she say this or reflect this at all?(Video please). And why are we pushing our morals on a machine?

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Jade8aby88 wrote...
How is achieving the enemy's goal, for him, justice? Furthermore, how is it justice when the Reapers aren't made to atone for any of their mistakes? Instead, they just become our bestest budz! I don't see that as Justice.
Control has more justice to it.


The Reapers are freed from the Catalyst. That's why it's justice.

Well, I have my Renegade Shep pick Control purely because he gets an army of Reapers from it... so, I don't think Control is either.

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Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...
HOW IS IT JUSTICE< YOU ARENT MAKING ANY SENSE:O:O:O:O:O:O


Justice aims to reform a criminal/evil character.

Vengeance aims to, well, avenge the victims.


Um....so it looks like you don't believe in the death penality, but thats a debate for somewhere else.

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dreman9999 wrote...

When the hell is it stated that what ever Javik said is fact. Add, he does have a point. Life is conflict and it's the stronger that always make the rules. It is an honest truth.


Intelligent people make the rules.

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iakus wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Meta game the **** out of the series.

Get the Geth killed above Rannoch.

Destroy.

Survive.

Problem?


EDI. :crying:


"Once you start killing friends, war turns into murder"



The Galaxy > EDI

She can be rebuilt at least, in some capacity. It doesn't make it right, but this is the choice I make, and one that my Shepard will have to live with.