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[Revthejedi]

Atakuma wrote...

Revthejedi wrote...

Blame EA. They don't want you to think about what's going on. Consider the ending a weeding out process, now that they've fractured the fanbase they can focus on ME4 aka Call of Duty in space.

EA had virtually nothing to do with it.

Lol. I guess without voicing my specific concerns with Mass Effect you would not understand why I believe EA is at the root of the series demise. I only played the sequels because of how mind numbingly amazing Mass Effect 1 was. I've been an avid BW fan since KOTOR, their recent offerings just lack a certain something. 

[Deltoran]

While the consumer (as a general population) is not blameless, I personally consider Bioware (and other gaming companies) to be out of touch. I've been noticing a change over the years in consumer/developer interaction as well as a general attitude shift from the developers. The attitude I've seen has become a bit more superior in my opinion and not just with the 'art' vs 'entertainment' arguments, but I'm sure there will be plenty who will argue this point. Anyway, just an opinion.

[blue water]

wizardryforever wrote...

Consider that if Bioware is out of touch with the fanbase, could it be because the fanbase is out of touch with them? Or even worse, out of touch with reality? I don't think this is entirely the fault of the developer and publisher. The consumer is not blameless.

Your're right.  Last time I bought a car I cheaped out.  Should have bought the Thannix cannon option.  My bad. Sorry guys.

[Atakuma]

Revthejedi wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Revthejedi wrote...

Blame EA. They don't want you to think about what's going on. Consider the ending a weeding out process, now that they've fractured the fanbase they can focus on ME4 aka Call of Duty in space.

EA had virtually nothing to do with it.

Lol. I guess without voicing my specific concerns with Mass Effect you would not understand why I believe EA is at the root of the series demise. I only played the sequels because of how mind numbingly amazing Mass Effect 1 was. I've been an avid BW fan since KOTOR, their recent offerings just lack a certain something. 

Sorry, I somehow read that as if you were talking specifically about the endings.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Sousabird wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

One word. Money.

Because the EC really raked in the cash right?

Actually, it's because it didn't, that's why it sucked. All the endings sucked.

Why did the new endings suck?

Because he is extremely butt hurt that the magic crucible didn't shoot a giant rainbow blast that killed the reapers, repaired all the damage, brought back all dead people and sent Shepard directly to his LI 

You should work for BioWare.

[CSI_Spectre]

I agree with the OP here.

We invested our time, energy, effort, and caring into this great series Bioware has given us.  Many fans loved this series.  Fans invested.  Mass Effect was meant to be our game.  By that I mean the developers and the gamers.  Our game.  We, the gamers, should have been considered to be mattered.  Our opinion should have atleast accounted.  We both deserved better than what we got with Mass Effect 3.

"Gaming can make you feel something that you can't feel from books or movies.  That's pride.  Pride in what you did.  How people feel when people accomplish something  themselves in your game is this feeling of pride that nothing else in entertainment can give you.  Do something great and you'll find success.  Make the player proud when he/she is playing your game.  Make yourself proud that you made it.  Make your player proud he/she bought it."
I'm not saying Bioware didn't make an effort; but I think it's clear that they didn't make a good enough effort.

[Kel Riever]

It is called being a pseudo-intellectual, and it is what the writers of the ending of Mass Effect 3 suffer from.

Basically, most bad writers with over-inflated opinions of themselves suffer from it. Yeah, it leads to being out of touch, and not just with your fan base....

[darkiddd]

wizardryforever wrote...

Consider that if Bioware is out of touch with the fanbase, could it be because the fanbase is out of touch with them? Or even worse, out of touch with reality? I don't think this is entirely the fault of the developer and publisher. The consumer is not blameless.

That would be possible if the fanbase had never liked what Bioware gave them. But the general positive reaction to the previous games before DA2 beg to differ (and I include myself in the positive reviews that were before) . And then again if the fanbase had never liked the games Bioware made then there would be no fanbase now or ever. It's not the fanbase who has changed but Bioware. They are the ones who have lost touch with reality.

[xsdob]

So because the most accepted claim to date is that almost all of ME3 besides the endings was great, and that the EC at least provide the necessary changes to make the endings tolerable, they are out of touch with all or most of the fans.

I think you need to reevaluate what "out of touch" is, that would be more accurate it a majority of the fans thought all of the game was bad as they did with DA2, but that wasn't the case.

Also, out of touch would have been not making an EC in the first place and making MP dlc charged to even have the content be put in the store. Also, they would not have retconed the endings so the relays are not destroyed, the normandy is not stranded, and emotional satisfaction for most people was obtained.

Pretty much if bioware had done something like release an armor and appearance pack instead of the EC, and not even addressed that fans were upset, that would be out of touch in my book.

[shurikenmanta]

They had a bad couple of years. That really is the top and bottom of it. Nothing about hating fans, or EA GAYMZ turning them into Hitler or anything like that.

The 'THEY WANT TO MAKE IT COD' argument isn't even worth dismissal, as anyone other than an idiot hipster knows they're not even in the same ballpark.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:56 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

+1 to xsdob

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:58 .

[2Shepards]

Galbrant wrote...

I blame EA for virtually everything, what ever Bioware screws up I automatically assume somehow EA is putting their snotty noses where it shouldn't be.

JFDL


Seriously though guys, we can't kill this horse enough.  We made our point, Bioware gave us the EC.  Thats it, its over.  Either you move on, and read the quote in my sig and accecpt this or you can not give Bioware anymore of your time and money. 

I only mention this after reading the continued angry (not hater) just plain old anger disappointment and pi**ed threads.  Really its not good for our blood pressure.

We will never know the entire story about why the ME team or Bioware completely dropped the ball on this one, and continued to lie to promote their game until it was released even though they knew what they were releasing.  No on is ever gonna fess up, especially if they want to continue making video games for any company, anywhere (employee loyalty is quite important)

So yes I'm going stop questioning, cause the closer I look the more angry I get, It sucks and its never gonna stop sucking so just take a breath, laugh about it, (I recommend the Dear _____ Ending thread here on this forum someone should dig it up cause it funny as all hell and made me laugh for the first time about the sh*t endings)

here it is a gem

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12913536

Modifié par 2Shepards, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:10 .

[darkiddd]

xsdob wrote...

So because the most accepted claim to date is that almost all of ME3 besides the endings was great, and that the EC at least provide the necessary changes to make the endings tolerable, they are out of touch with all or most of the fans.

I think you need to reevaluate what "out of touch" is, that would be more accurate it a majority of the fans thought all of the game was bad as they did with DA2, but that wasn't the case.

Also, out of touch would have been not making an EC in the first place and making MP dlc charged to even have the content be put in the store. Also, they would not have retconed the endings so the relays are not destroyed, the normandy is not stranded, and emotional satisfaction for most people was obtained.

Pretty much if bioware had done something like release an armor and appearance pack instead of the EC, and not even addressed that fans were upset, that would be out of touch in my book.

The ending is the most important part of an experience and can ruin the experience if the final impression is awful. You won't remember the journey well even if you enjoyed the journey before the awful end.

They were out of touch because after a 9 out of 10 game they made the worst ending some of us could ever imagine. An ending so bad after a game so good that it made the ending even more bad and infuriating. This is being out of touch.

The continued to be out of touch when they didn't recognize their epic fail and instead they expanded and retconned on their **** because they were too afraid and proud to do what had to be done.

To sum it up: 

-They create a bad ending (the worst I ever seen)
-They notice the fan rage 
-They realize how wrong they were and the big mistake they made.
-They try to placate the fans by expanding on their mistake.
-Their mistake is retconned but still is a bad ending. Better than the previous (Could it really have been worse?) but still bad.

Notice where this sequence goes bad again?

They have lost their touch with their fanbase and with what made them great. 

 

[Terror_K]

They just care about their new fanbase now, which is essentially the casual and mainstream gamer. The average CoD fanatic basically. To sum it up, they're abandoning the nerds for the jocks.

Actually, technically they're trying to get both audiences from where I'm sitting, but it's not working. They'd clearly rather pander to the masses than please old fans, that's pretty damn clear from how they're going. Everything BioWare used to touch was gold up to DAO... now it's just all half-assed and weaksauce. And it's pretty damn clear they have no intention of turning things around.

[Blueprotoss]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Black Ops 2 will be the death of it. COD will go dormant for maybe about 5 years or so, and then will probably resurface again to bring stupidity back into the first person genre.

Yet that won't happen based on thats been said with every CoD installment since WaW.

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Because of plot holes, both old and new.

I highly doubt you would like ME1 and ME2 since you would create a paradox if you didn't. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:14 .

[Atakuma]

If anything it's the so called fan base that is out of touch. Bioware are apparently supposed to be omniscient RPG gods.

[xsdob]

@darkiddd

And all the fan complaints the adressed in the EC?

Modifié par xsdob, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:15 .

[Fusiontron]

I'm still buying DA3 to finish up that trilogy but that will be my last purchase from Bioware but not from EA altogether.

[Blueprotoss]

Atakuma wrote...

If anything it's the so called fan base that is out of touch. Bioware are apparently supposed to be omniscient RPG gods.

This is very true because the "fans" are out of touch because of their entitlement with every Bioware game.

xsdob wrote...

@darkiddd

And all the fan complaints the adressed in the EC?

Nope some of them still found things to complain based on thier immaturity. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:18 .

[Terror_K]

Atakuma wrote...

If anything it's the so called fan base that is out of touch. Bioware are apparently supposed to be omniscient RPG gods.

Well, maybe it would help if BioWare actually, y'know... made RPGs still, instead of just cinematic, story-driven action games.

ME3 had almost no roleplaying to speak of. No real choices, no real consequences and everything we'd done before was just trivialised.

[Blueprotoss]

Terror_K wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

If anything it's the so called fan base that is out of touch. Bioware are apparently supposed to be omniscient RPG gods.

Well, maybe it would help if BioWare actually, y'know... made RPGs still, instead of just cinematic, story-driven action games.

ME3 had almost no roleplaying to speak of. No real choices, no real consequences and everything we'd done before was just trivialised.

Pot calling the kettle black.

[xsdob]

Terror_K wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

If anything it's the so called fan base that is out of touch. Bioware are apparently supposed to be omniscient RPG gods.

Well, maybe it would help if BioWare actually, y'know... made RPGs still, instead of just cinematic, story-driven action games.

ME3 had almost no roleplaying to speak of. No real choices, no real consequences and everything we'd done before was just trivialised.

Maybe it's because I don't care about game genre's but I enjoyed all three mass effect games because they were well written and cinematic games that I could really enjoy playing through.

Modifié par xsdob, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:20 .

[Atakuma]

Terror_K wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

If anything it's the so called fan base that is out of touch. Bioware are apparently supposed to be omniscient RPG gods.

Well, maybe it would help if BioWare actually, y'know... made RPGs still, instead of just cinematic, story-driven action games.

ME3 had almost no roleplaying to speak of. No real choices, no real consequences and everything we'd done before was just trivialised.

So pretty much like every other bioware game.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Blueprotoss wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Black Ops 2 will be the death of it. COD will go dormant for maybe about 5 years or so, and then will probably resurface again to bring stupidity back into the first person genre.

Yet that won't happen based on thats been said with every CoD installment since WaW.

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Because of plot holes, both old and new.

I highly doubt you would like ME1 and ME2 since you would create a paradox if you didn't. 

Well, it is what it is with COD I guess.

Never played ME1, and I did like ME2. It didn't have a lot of speculations.