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[Blueprotoss]

xsdob wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

If anything it's the so called fan base that is out of touch. Bioware are apparently supposed to be omniscient RPG gods.

Well, maybe it would help if BioWare actually, y'know... made RPGs still, instead of just cinematic, story-driven action games.

ME3 had almost no roleplaying to speak of. No real choices, no real consequences and everything we'd done before was just trivialised.

Maybe it's because I don't care about game genre's but I enjoyed all three mass effect games because they were well written and cinematic games that I could really enjoy playing through.

I don't think he cares for the RPG genre based on how most of them are either Action RPGs like ME or JRPGs like Final Fantasy.

[shurikenmanta]

Kel Riever wrote...

It is called being a pseudo-intellectual, and it is what the writers of the ending of Mass Effect 3 suffer from.

Basically, most bad writers with over-inflated opinions of themselves suffer from it. Yeah, it leads to being out of touch, and not just with your fan base....

Personally I've be more inclined to slap the pseudo-intellectual tag on all the people who whinge about 'mainstream gaming ruining it forever'. That's just me though.

[eye basher]

With this kind of fans i would be too.

[Blueprotoss]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Black Ops 2 will be the death of it. COD will go dormant for maybe about 5 years or so, and then will probably resurface again to bring stupidity back into the first person genre.

Yet that won't happen based on thats been said with every CoD installment since WaW.

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Because of plot holes, both old and new.

I highly doubt you would like ME1 and ME2 since you would create a paradox if you didn't. 

Well, it is what it is with COD I guess.

Never played ME1, and I did like ME2. It didn't have a lot of speculations.

At least your honest.

[Silent Rage]

All I know is, I can't wait to not buy any Mass Effect 3 DLC.

[Blueprotoss]

eye basher wrote...

With this kind of fans i would be too.

I also feel bad for Blizzard and Bethesda.

Silent Rage wrote...

All I know is, I can't wait to not buy any Mass Effect 3 DLC.

Yet you'll buy it on Day 1. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:26 .

[wizardryforever]

Terror_K wrote...

They just care about their new fanbase now, which is essentially the casual and mainstream gamer. The average CoD fanatic basically. To sum it up, they're abandoning the nerds for the jocks.

Actually, technically they're trying to get both audiences from where I'm sitting, but it's not working. They'd clearly rather pander to the masses than please old fans, that's pretty damn clear from how they're going. Everything BioWare used to touch was gold up to DAO... now it's just all half-assed and weaksauce. And it's pretty damn clear they have no intention of turning things around.

Well to be perfectly fair to Bioware here, the old-school fans are ridiculously hard to please.  They're notorious for being ridiculously nitpicky and well, picky in the games they play.  On top of that, the old-school fans are a fairly small niche as far as niches go.  Going with the group that is both more numerous and more accepting is hardly the betrayal that you guys paint it as.  Bioware decides to ditch their overly critical, increasingly small niche in favor of something more inclusive?  Well that's just terrible.

Judging by the state of this place, I wouldn't blame Bioware for ditching you guys in the slightest.  The sheer amount of spoiled brats whining about not getting exactly what they wanted on Christmas morning annoys me.  Can't ever look at the bright side, can't ever just enjoy something.  No, because it isn't exactly what you asked for, it's "half assed" and "weaksauce."

[ElementL09]

I don't see how they couldn't expect this type of outcome from fans and gamers who've played Mass Effect 3. I mean, these are the same people (somewhat) who made Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

I think the scope of Mass Effect 3 was so big that even the developers themselves couldn't handle it.

[darkiddd]

xsdob wrote...

@darkiddd

And all the fan complaints the adressed in the EC?

I admit the EC makes the ending tolerable. Especially when you have in mind how bad the ending was before it. But the EC doesn't make the ending good and doesn't change the fact that the EC was just a badly covered retcon of everything yet a disguised reaffirmation of their mistake when they, we and everyone knew the endings were so bad they had to be changed and not expanded on.

They proved they had lost their connection with the fans and their own saga with the original endings.
They proved they were not totally a lost when they listened and announced the EC
But they also proved and demonstrated after the EC that they are too proud to recognize publicly with a real good ending.

And by good I don't mean happy. I mean well written. Who can honestly say to like the starchild? We all hate him. You can't make a good ending expanding on your mistakes.

Modifié par darkiddd, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:33 .

[Blueprotoss]

ElementL09 wrote...

I don't see how they couldn't expect this type of outcome from fans and gamers who've played Mass Effect 3. I mean, these are the same people (somewhat) who made Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

I think the scope of Mass Effect 3 was so big that even the developers themselves couldn't handle it.

Don't forgot that most of these "fans" hated ME2 and now love it after hating ME3, which means you can't please the few even when a small uproar has happened with every Bioware game.

[SetecAstronomy]

xsdob wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

If anything it's the so called fan base that is out of touch. Bioware are apparently supposed to be omniscient RPG gods.

Well, maybe it would help if BioWare actually, y'know... made RPGs still, instead of just cinematic, story-driven action games.

ME3 had almost no roleplaying to speak of. No real choices, no real consequences and everything we'd done before was just trivialised.

Maybe it's because I don't care about game genre's but I enjoyed all three mass effect games because they were well written and cinematic games that I could really enjoy playing through.

 Pretty much this.

[Tigerman123]

There has always been an aura of QQ surrounding Bioware

There were people that complained that BG2 was too linear and pandered to the worst element of society by including romances

[What a Succulent Ass]

-How couldn't they realize their prompt to buy more dlc content after the poor ending was a slap to the face to the fans and would enrage even more? I mean... seriously? 

Honestly, I found that kind of amusing, but I knew it was coming.

BUY MOAR POST-RELEASE DLC! BUY MOAR!! MOAR MOAR MOAR!!!

[ElementL09]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

I don't see how they couldn't expect this type of outcome from fans and gamers who've played Mass Effect 3. I mean, these are the same people (somewhat) who made Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

I think the scope of Mass Effect 3 was so big that even the developers themselves couldn't handle it.

Don't forgot that most of these "fans" hated ME2 and now love it after hating ME3, which means you can't please the few even when a small uproar has happened with every Bioware game.

I wasn't there when that all went down, but I disagree.  I played Mass Effect and loved the story and hated the combat, played Mass Effect 2 and found that game to exceptional, sure it didn't have the storyline that Mass Effect had, but it was overall a great game with plenty of awesome squadmates and characters, both new and old. 

I don't think its the majority of fans who dislike Mass Effect 3 (or certain parts of it) hated mass effect 2.  Sure Mass Effect 2 was different but it was more of an acceptable sequel then Mass Effect 3 was.

[Kel Riever]

QQ is when somebody cries about something they shouldn't

What BioWare is suffering from is basically called, HHYS, or Ha Ha You Suck. Known as when you have a golden goose, and what you decide to do is cook it. You know, generally in the name of something like, "Artistic Integrity."

[Ithurael]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

I don't see how they couldn't expect this type of outcome from fans and gamers who've played Mass Effect 3. I mean, these are the same people (somewhat) who made Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

I think the scope of Mass Effect 3 was so big that even the developers themselves couldn't handle it.

Don't forgot that most of these "fans" hated ME2 and now love it after hating ME3, which means you can't please the few even when a small uproar has happened with every Bioware game.

Please advise?

Everywhere I look for fan reactions to ME2 I see positive scores (or at least greater scores where the fans were allowed to vote) vs Mass Effect 3.

Also, when trying to even search for Mass Effect 2 reactions/review I get nothing but Mass Effect 3 hate.

I will admit, the overall story of ME2 was drastically more direct vs ME1. But the tone was darker and the narrative was much more character driven. ME3 had the same start and for 99% of the game (now 93% with EC) was very well done matching ME2 in character depth/resolution and slightly exceeding ME2 in gameplay. but at the end - where everything comes together...it just flops.

ME1 had an amazing ending

ME2 ha a fantastic ending (the most satisfying ending I have ever seen in a game)

ME3 (with EC) had an "acceptable" ending...kinda like Kristen Stewart - it isn't really bad - it just doesn't hit a WOW factor.

[MyChemicalBromance]

SNascimento wrote...

Well, not being in touch with most poeple here is a good thing in my books.

[shurikenmanta]

ElementL09 wrote...
I think the scope of Mass Effect 3 was so big that even the developers themselves couldn't handle it.

I think you may be right. Poor guys kind of screwed themselves :S

[jetfire118]

Yep because this SOOO perfect community and SOOO perfect fans are never at fault Its all BIOs fault...yea...the irony >_>

[Blueprotoss]

ElementL09 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

I don't see how they couldn't expect this type of outcome from fans and gamers who've played Mass Effect 3. I mean, these are the same people (somewhat) who made Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

I think the scope of Mass Effect 3 was so big that even the developers themselves couldn't handle it.

Don't forgot that most of these "fans" hated ME2 and now love it after hating ME3, which means you can't please the few even when a small uproar has happened with every Bioware game.

I wasn't there when that all went down, but I disagree.  I played Mass Effect and loved the story and hated the combat, played Mass Effect 2 and found that game to exceptional, sure it didn't have the storyline that Mass Effect had, but it was overall a great game with plenty of awesome squadmates and characters, both new and old. 

I don't think its the majority of fans who dislike Mass Effect 3 (or certain parts of it) hated mass effect 2.  Sure Mass Effect 2 was different but it was more of an acceptable sequel then Mass Effect 3 was.

I guess I meet the wrong people or they weren't that voca before about that.

[AresKeith]

jetfire118 wrote...

Yep because this SOOO perfect community and SOOO perfect fans are never at fault Its all BIOs fault...yea...the irony >_>

how are the fans at fault for ME3?

[darkiddd]

I loved DA origins. Loved mass effect 1 and 2 and 99% of Mass Effect 3.

But DA2 was bad.
Deception was bad.
And the mass effect 3 ending was godawful. The EC is better but still bad. Tolerable but bad.

What really bothers me is how they have behaved since ME3 was released. Hinting in their silence and their smug quotes that their ending is good and we are problem so they are going to expand on it for us.

You know what? I may be an annoying poster on this forums who protest continuously and may loose a lot of negativism but I'm not the one who is wrong.

[Terror_K]

wizardryforever wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

They just care about their new fanbase now, which is essentially the casual and mainstream gamer. The average CoD fanatic basically. To sum it up, they're abandoning the nerds for the jocks.

Actually, technically they're trying to get both audiences from where I'm sitting, but it's not working. They'd clearly rather pander to the masses than please old fans, that's pretty damn clear from how they're going. Everything BioWare used to touch was gold up to DAO... now it's just all half-assed and weaksauce. And it's pretty damn clear they have no intention of turning things around.

Well to be perfectly fair to Bioware here, the old-school fans are ridiculously hard to please.  They're notorious for being ridiculously nitpicky and well, picky in the games they play.  On top of that, the old-school fans are a fairly small niche as far as niches go.  Going with the group that is both more numerous and more accepting is hardly the betrayal that you guys paint it as.  Bioware decides to ditch their overly critical, increasingly small niche in favor of something more inclusive?  Well that's just terrible.

Judging by the state of this place, I wouldn't blame Bioware for ditching you guys in the slightest.  The sheer amount of spoiled brats whining about not getting exactly what they wanted on Christmas morning annoys me.  Can't ever look at the bright side, can't ever just enjoy something.  No, because it isn't exactly what you asked for, it's "half assed" and "weaksauce."

What surprises me is how people can still stick up for and support BioWare given how badly they've treated their fanbase, all the outright lies they've told us and the way they're making their games lately.

Seriously, what at all was satisfying and even "good" about ME3 beyond the combat as far as being the third part of a trilogy goes? How can you or anybody defend BioWare for pumping out a game so misfocused with so much autodialogue, so few choices, so much linearity, a horrible conclusion, etc.?

I don't have a major problem with BioWare branching out as a studio, but they shouldn't go about messing with their existing series' part the way through and purposefully dumbing them down for the sake of broad appeal to the point where they aren't even aimed at the same audience with the sequels as they were for the original entry. Simply put, if BioWare want to make a more story-driven, cinematic CoD clone then so be it, but that doesn't mean they need to gradually turn Mass Effect into that over time. The same goes with Dragon Age going from a hardcore, epic PC fantasy RPG into a hack'n'slash console action game.

Ever since EA took the helm, BioWare games have become these rush, half-assed affairs that keep taking choice and control away from the player more and more. BioWare are on their way to just making the same types of games as every other developer now... joining the Assassin's Creeds, Uncharteds, Batman Arkham games, etc.

[Blueprotoss]

Ithurael wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

I don't see how they couldn't expect this type of outcome from fans and gamers who've played Mass Effect 3. I mean, these are the same people (somewhat) who made Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

I think the scope of Mass Effect 3 was so big that even the developers themselves couldn't handle it.

Don't forgot that most of these "fans" hated ME2 and now love it after hating ME3, which means you can't please the few even when a small uproar has happened with every Bioware game.

Please advise?

Everywhere I look for fan reactions to ME2 I see positive scores (or at least greater scores where the fans were allowed to vote) vs Mass Effect 3.

Also, when trying to even search for Mass Effect 2 reactions/review I get nothing but Mass Effect 3 hate.

I will admit, the overall story of ME2 was drastically more direct vs ME1. But the tone was darker and the narrative was much more character driven. ME3 had the same start and for 99% of the game (now 93% with EC) was very well done matching ME2 in character depth/resolution and slightly exceeding ME2 in gameplay. but at the end - where everything comes together...it just flops.

ME1 had an amazing ending

ME2 ha a fantastic ending (the most satisfying ending I have ever seen in a game)

ME3 (with EC) had an "acceptable" ending...kinda like Kristen Stewart - it isn't really bad - it just doesn't hit a WOW factor.

Look at the older threads and don't use Metacritic whether you looked there or not.  Btw the "fans" are the vocal minority that cause small uproars to happen.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:56 .