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How powerful is a reaper's mind? Is processing power directly correlated with intelligence?


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In terms of raw processing power, how potent is a single reaper's, say a Sovereign-class capital ship's mind? Is there any way of quantifying it? Or at least, can we qualitatively compare it to known VI's, AI's, geth, or even organic minds?

On a related topic, is processing power directly correlated to intelligence? My hunch says no. I say this because while the reapers may have buttloads of processing power, they are certainly not infalliable, and can be fooled by even organic minds in tactics and strategy. Legion, however, stated that a single reaper thought is "immense, overwhelming, unknowable." Not surprisingly, this indicates that a reaper's mind is far more powerful than the 1183 geth programs networked in Legion. A machine with tons of processing power doesn't necessarily have the ability for creative thought.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:57 .


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Enormous!

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^ Dis big.

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as big as this

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considering that (according to starchild in extended cut) each reaper contains the collective knowledge of one intelligent race of a cycle, I would think that one Sovereign class reaper has an enormous amount of intelligence and processing power. hell the geth couldn't even comprehend the reapers.

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(2^32)-1 yottahertz

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Each one is billions of minds in a single ship. No computer ever made has even come close to the equivalent up the brain.

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Billions of intelligent lifeforms.

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Over 9000 IQ

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it cant be all that powerful...I mean...heck...they send a kid to do grown up work...

they forgot to lock up the citadel after the last cycle....

harby cant even get a shot off at normandy....

after all these cycles, they still use the squidy ships???....cmon reapers!! get down to the ships R us!!

and to top it..they mess with shepard!! duh! everybody knows shepard dont take no mess!!

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MB957 wrote...

it cant be all that powerful...I mean...heck...they send a kid to do grown up work...

they forgot to lock up the citadel after the last cycle....

harby cant even get a shot off at normandy....

after all these cycles, they still use the squidy ships???....cmon reapers!! get down to the ships R us!!

and to top it..they mess with shepard!! duh! everybody knows shepard dont take no mess!!

Blame the writers.

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One more curiosity bump. I guess people aren't interested in dem giant space cuttlefish minds.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 10 juillet 2012 - 07:48 .


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Given their technological and military superiority, pretty out there I'd say.

Probably Cthulhu-level.

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They may be super intelligent... but arrogance and under estimation... Because they were so damn smart... they took it easy... It is a very animalistic behavior... I still see these key points as the reason why the Reapers failed. How harbinger arrogantly guards the beam like it's shooting fish in a barrel and then flies away...

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After ME3, I doubt the Reapers even have minds. There's no way any sapient entity can be so mind numbingly stupid.

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It's not really possible to get into specifics, but you can get a rough idea based on in game scenes. For example, EDI is demonstrated to be vastly superior to organics in terms of processing power. When EDI interfaces with the geth collective mind, she describes it as both beyond her comprehension and as a mind the size of a galactic arm. The geth, in turn, seem to view Sovereign's abilities as superior to their own.

*IF* you accept the CDN reports as accurate, the hackers who uploaded their consciousness into the ghost ship experienced 180 years in the span of 6 hours. The ship is estimated to be running about a billion individuals. Sovereign is described as billions of organic minds. So if you can imagine a mind that thinks at a rate of 3 days per second times a few billion, you might have an idea of what a single dreadnaught Reaper is capable of.

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As recently as last year, Martin Hilbert and Priscilla Lopez were able to make the following claim in their article "The World's Technological Capacity to Store, Communicate, and Compute Information," (published in Science, 1 April 2011): "the 6.4 × 10^18 instructions per second that humankind can carry out on its general-purpose computers in 2007 are in the same ballpark area as the maximum number of nerve impulses executed by one human brain per second (10^17)."  Now, a lot can change in five years, especially if you subscribe to Moore's Law, but the data seems to suggest that the human brain is, at least for now, still the most powerful individual computing device we've got, by a significant margin.  

Now, take billions of these (or similar) brains, reproduce their configuration down to the atomic level and upload them into a platform where their already robust individual processing powers can all be combined, and you've got something approaching the unimaginable. To further inflate the possibilities, let's propose that a Reaper brain might not be a classical computer, but a quantum computer.  It would be able to perform processing tasks so profoundly immense that Sovereign's claim of each Reaper being a nation would begin to look not like braggadocio or hyperbole, but modesty: each Reaper's inner world would be something like a self-contained universe or multiverse, capable of running simulations and emulations that might allow the Reapers to experience (subjectively, but not objectively) transcendence of time and space as we know them.  What looks from the outside like 50,000 years of "hibernation" might actually be the exploration of computationally manufactured inner realities far, far vaster and more complex than external physical reality.  Maybe, from their unknowable subject positions, the Reapers really are, as Sovereign suggests, without beginning or end. 

Modifié par stephen_dedalus, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:26 .

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shurikenmanta wrote...

Given their technological and military superiority, pretty out there I'd say.

Probably Cthulhu-level.


Their technology, based on the Reaper Destroyers being able to be taken down by a single Alliance Cruiser (even though the cruiser is 2.5 times the size of it) implies the Reapers are about 2.5 times more advanced.

It's that low.

..it's just that they're really big too.

Modifié par Zkyire, 10 juillet 2012 - 11:45 .


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Amakiir wrote...

It's not really possible to get into specifics, but you can get a rough idea based on in game scenes. For example, EDI is demonstrated to be vastly superior to organics in terms of processing power. When EDI interfaces with the geth collective mind, she describes it as both beyond her comprehension and as a mind the size of a galactic arm. The geth, in turn, seem to view Sovereign's abilities as superior to their own.

*IF* you accept the CDN reports as accurate, the hackers who uploaded their consciousness into the ghost ship experienced 180 years in the span of 6 hours. The ship is estimated to be running about a billion individuals. Sovereign is described as billions of organic minds. So if you can imagine a mind that thinks at a rate of 3 days per second times a few billion, you might have an idea of what a single dreadnaught Reaper is capable of.


The reapers definitely have immense processing capability. However, for all their vaunted superiority, they're certainly more easily destroyed than I thought. What doesn't make sense is how a computer with such massive processing capabilities is only marginally superior in tactics and strategy than organics.

Again, this has made me wonder. Does massive processing power equate to vastly superior intelligence? In game experiences lean towards no, in my opinion.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:54 .


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Zkyire wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Given their technological and military superiority, pretty out there I'd say.

Probably Cthulhu-level.


Their technology, based on the Reaper Destroyers being able to be taken down by a single Alliance Cruiser (even though the cruiser is 2.5 times the size of it) implies the Reapers are about 2.5 times more advanced.

It's that low.

..it's just that they're really big too.


Not really. The Codex is all over the place on the reaper's power level. One assigned destroyers a firepower of "several megatonnes of TNT", another said a single cruiser could kill one, then there's the game where it takes the firepower of at least a large portion of the migrant fleet to take down a destroyer.

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Archereon wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Given their technological and military superiority, pretty out there I'd say.

Probably Cthulhu-level.


Their technology, based on the Reaper Destroyers being able to be taken down by a single Alliance Cruiser (even though the cruiser is 2.5 times the size of it) implies the Reapers are about 2.5 times more advanced.

It's that low.

..it's just that they're really big too.


Not really. The Codex is all over the place on the reaper's power level. One assigned destroyers a firepower of "several megatonnes of TNT", another said a single cruiser could kill one, then there's the game where it takes the firepower of at least a large portion of the migrant fleet to take down a destroyer.


No, only a small portion of the Migrant Fleet firing their relatively low velocity secondary cannons took down the destroyer.

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shurikenmanta wrote...

Given their technological and military superiority, pretty out there I'd say.

Probably Cthulhu-level.

I can verify that this is true.

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I guess it´s intel or AMD processor of year 2600...

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stephen_dedalus wrote...

As recently as last year, Martin Hilbert and Priscilla Lopez were able to make the following claim in their article "The World's Technological Capacity to Store, Communicate, and Compute Information," (published in Science, 1 April 2011): "the 6.4 × 10^18 instructions per second that humankind can carry out on its general-purpose computers in 2007 are in the same ballpark area as the maximum number of nerve impulses executed by one human brain per second (10^17)."  Now, a lot can change in five years, especially if you subscribe to Moore's Law, but the data seems to suggest that the human brain is, at least for now, still the most powerful individual computing device we've got, by a significant margin.  

Now, take billions of these (or similar) brains, reproduce their configuration down to the atomic level and upload them into a platform where their already robust individual processing powers can all be combined, and you've got something approaching the unimaginable. To further inflate the possibilities, let's propose that a Reaper brain might not be a classical computer, but a quantum computer.  It would be able to perform processing tasks so profoundly immense that Sovereign's claim of each Reaper being a nation would begin to look not like braggadocio or hyperbole, but modesty: each Reaper's inner world would be something like a self-contained universe or multiverse, capable of running simulations and emulations that might allow the Reapers to experience (subjectively, but not objectively) transcendence of time and space as we know them.  What looks from the outside like 50,000 years of "hibernation" might actually be the exploration of computationally manufactured inner realities far, far vaster and more complex than external physical reality.  Maybe, from their unknowable subject positions, the Reapers really are, as Sovereign suggests, without beginning or end. 

This is brilliant. Of course totally wasted given what a joke Reapers turn out to be in ME3.

But if just one Reaper is along the lines of what you describe, then all of them put together...:blink:

I'm convinced, now more than ever that Control Shepard really is a god or so close to one that the difference is insignificant. And indifference must occur and a lot sooner than I thought. Maybe even instantly.

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I might get some flak for saying this, but I was honestly not that impressed by the overall capabilities of the reapers in ME3. Take a look at a few examples.

The reapers' strategy and tactics are very "conventional." More specifically, they fell prey to turian and krogan insurgency on Palaven. They lost quite a few ships to suicide bombers. They also lost a few capital ships to turians launching surprise FTL jumps in the middle of their formations. Their order of attack and invasion plans are simple, straightforward, and involve lots of brute force. I honestly didn't expect something so powerful to be this susceptible. Perhaps this cycle is just more advanced than the cycles that the reapers were used to dealing with, considering that most previous cycles can't even take down a capital ship.

I also find their electronic warfare to be rather lacking. I'm not talking about the Normandy evac scene in front of Harbinger, as I consider that a plot hole. I'm talking about the fact that the Normandy can enter any reaper-controlled systems at will and do whatever it wants for however long it wants unless it uses a scanner. Considering that the Collectors had no problem seeing through the SR-1's stealth system, the fact that the reapers are unable to stop the SR-2 from running amok in their territories is rather jarring.

Even the capital ships themselves look scarier than they really are. While they are enormous compared to organic dreadnoughts, their exchange ratio is less than impressive. A Sovereign-class reaper is around twice as large in all cardinal dimensions compared to an Alliance dreadnought, which means that the reaper has eight times the volume and mass. Yet, the reaper can be downed by the sustained fire from 4 dreadnoughts. While I have no doubt that a Sovereign-class capital ship will outperform any warship in a 1v1 situation, I feel that this is due to sheer mass and brute force, rather than pure technological superiority. Not to mention the fact that a cruiser or a squadron of advanced fighter can be a match for a reaper destroyer.

All this leads me to believe that reaper superiority for the most part is accounted for by the virtue of sheer mass and quantity rather than intelligence. I really wonder what the reapers do with all that processing power. It could be that the technology of this cycle is better adapted to fighting reapers than previous cycles, except for maybe the protheans.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .