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[Romaka]

I will first state that this is now way, shape or form a troll post.  Just an honest opinion.

I will list some opinions of my own and I welcome any critique against or for.  I hardly post all that much so it is doubtful I will respond much if at all.

With synthetics I am given the impression that unless Synthesis occurs then synthetics cannot be classified as alive.  But if they are not alive then how are they sentient prior?  How come synthetics can develop emotions and personalities if they are not alive?  Throughout ME2 and ME3 it is shown that synthetics do have their own opinions/personalities.  The other point being made countless times before is that what is to stop new synthetics being made after Synthesis has happened and starting the problem all over again.

Now on to organics.  Even if Synthesis were to occur how does it change anything ultimately?  The only way peace would be the end case is if individuality does not exist anymore.  If there is no individualism then how is it a good decision?  If individuality still exists then what was the point in the first place of performing Synthesis?  With individuality there will always be conflict but there would also be growth in science, culture, art etc.  Without it all that stops.

Now for Reapers/Catalyst.  Reapers are already a hybrid creature so Synthesis ultimately would do nothing for them other then remove their purpose.  BUT at the same time the Catalyst states that their purpose is to protect organics from creating synthetics that would kill all organics by forging peace between them. 

With Synthesis the Reapers/Catalyst have failed in their function.  Organics no longer exist anymore so logically that means they failed.  Synthetics at the point in time that Synthesis occurs also cease to exist but can be made after the fact while organics cannot since all life in the universe has now been subjected to becoming a hybrid.

As I said previously this is simply an opinion and I just wanted to put it out there.  Synthesis the way I see it means everyone ultimately loses.

[RiouHotaru]

People love to just take everything negatively don't they. Would it kill some of you to look at the bright side or the silver lining?

Synthesis removes the gap of understanding between organics and synthetics:


- Organics fear synthetics because of their technological superiority over biological systems.

- Synthetics cannot comprehend the emotional process of humans. Things like loyalty, love, and self-sacrifice are alien to them, because they think in purely logical terms.

Synthesis bridges this gap by giving organics the technological advantages, and the synthetics gain the intimate understanding of the organic condition.

[mass perfection]

It's stupid,pointless,and evil.

[mass perfection]

RiouHotaru wrote...

People love to just take everything negatively don't they. Would it kill some of you to look at the bright side or the silver lining?

Synthesis removes the gap of understanding between organics and synthetics:


- Organics fear synthetics because of their technological superiority over biological systems.

- Synthetics cannot comprehend the emotional process of humans. Things like loyalty, love, and self-sacrifice are alien to them, because they think in purely logical terms.

Synthesis bridges this gap by giving organics the technological advantages, and the synthetics gain the intimate understanding of the organic condition.

The goals of Synthesis is noble,but the way it wishes to achieve them is not.

[Romaka]

RiouHotaru wrote...

People love to just take everything negatively don't they. Would it kill some of you to look at the bright side or the silver lining?

I am only stating the opinions that I have come to.  I am not suggesting that anyone conform to my view or anything.  Only putting something up for possible discussion.  Is that wrong?

[NoUserNameHere]

Synthesis killed my auntie.

[mass perfection]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Synthesis killed my auntie.

It violated everyone in the galaxy.

[The Angry One]

RiouHotaru wrote...

- Organics fear synthetics because of their technological superiority over biological systems.

Speak for yourself.

- Synthetics cannot comprehend the emotional process of humans. Things like loyalty, love, and self-sacrifice are alien to them, because they think in purely logical terms.

EDI has feelings for Joker.
EDI would die for her crew.
EDI is completely loyal to her crew.
Legion sacrificed itself for the other Geth.
Legion feels a sense of loyalty to the Normandy (as in, the ship and those within it collectively).
The Geth as a whole have displayed feelings of remorse, anger, sentiment, guilt, empathy and take on board irrational concepts like souls.

Synthesis bridges this gap by giving organics the technological advantages, and the synthetics gain the intimate understanding of the organic condition.

It fills a perceived gap by forcing it on everyone whether they like it or not.

[Vigilant111]

RiouHotaru wrote...

People love to just take everything negatively don't they. Would it kill some of you to look at the bright side or the silver lining?

Synthesis removes the gap of understanding between organics and synthetics:


- Organics fear synthetics because of their technological superiority over biological systems.

- Synthetics cannot comprehend the emotional process of humans. Things like loyalty, love, and self-sacrifice are alien to them, because they think in purely logical terms.

Synthesis bridges this gap by giving organics the technological advantages, and the synthetics gain the intimate understanding of the organic condition.

Yes, they can *enters EDI, synthetics just need to interact with organics more, then they will come up with there own opinion about organics

I am not sure why there should be a bridge, the water is shallow enough, the bridge falls short if there is a REAL problem anyway

[RiouHotaru]

TAO, by your own logic, virtually every ending "forces" a decision, because Shepard has to decide for everyone without taking their input. Yes, even Destroy and Refuse.

Don't speak of "forcing" like Synthesis is the only offender.

[The Angry One]

RiouHotaru wrote...

TAO, by your own logic, virtually every ending "forces" a decision, because Shepard has to decide for everyone without taking their input. Yes, even Destroy and Refuse.

Don't speak of "forcing" like Synthesis is the only offender.

Again with this fallacy. For the 50,000th time. Destroy and refuse reflect already established agreements with all species to fight and resist the Reapers.
Moreover, it doesn't affect all life, everywhere in the galaxy for the rest of time.

[mass perfection]

RiouHotaru wrote...

TAO, by your own logic, virtually every ending "forces" a decision, because Shepard has to decide for everyone without taking their input. Yes, even Destroy and Refuse.

Don't speak of "forcing" like Synthesis is the only offender.

It does other things than that that makes me want to vomit.

Modifié par mass perfection, 10 juillet 2012 - 07:54 .

[Peregrin25]

Control = Giving up and giving in.
Synthesis = Deal with the devil, death of the entire galactic civilization.
Destroy = Mission accomplished!

In my mind, Synthesis actually kills everyone, They cease to exist as who they originally were. They are no longer themselves. In a sense, they lose their humanity. What is the point of living if you are no longer who you were? The synthesis ending is evil as is control. In my opinion destroy is kinda evil but is the lesser of the evils, making it the easier choice to make.

To me, synthesis is killing everyone, because they are no longer what they were. It violated everyone being in the galaxy. On top of it all, it violates Shepard's mission. To destroy.

Control on the other hand, you might as well just give up and let lucifer right in to your home and be the best of friends.

[RiouHotaru]

The Angry One wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

TAO, by your own logic, virtually every ending "forces" a decision, because Shepard has to decide for everyone without taking their input. Yes, even Destroy and Refuse.

Don't speak of "forcing" like Synthesis is the only offender.

Again with this fallacy. For the 50,000th time. Destroy and refuse reflect already established agreements with all species to fight and resist the Reapers.
Moreover, it doesn't affect all life, everywhere in the galaxy for the rest of time.

It ends the Geth permanently in Destroy, which effects the Quarians quite a bit.

And uhhh...Refuse kills off the entire cycle of resisting species.  I'm fairly certain there would be people that would be like "So, we either take one of these choices...or everyone dies?  Okay, we can die!"

http://social.biowar...index/13043671/ 

[Peregrin25]

RiouHotaru wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

TAO, by your own logic, virtually every ending "forces" a decision, because Shepard has to decide for everyone without taking their input. Yes, even Destroy and Refuse.

Don't speak of "forcing" like Synthesis is the only offender.

Again with this fallacy. For the 50,000th time. Destroy and refuse reflect already established agreements with all species to fight and resist the Reapers.
Moreover, it doesn't affect all life, everywhere in the galaxy for the rest of time.

It ends the Geth permanently in Destroy, which effects the Quarians quite a bit.

And uhhh...Refuse kills off the entire cycle of resisting species.  I'm fairly certain there would be people that would be like "So, we either take one of these choices...or everyone dies?  Okay, we can die!"

http://social.biowar...index/13043671/ 

Geth are not permanently destroyed. Admiral Hackett during the slides in the end says "We can rebuild everything that was destroyed"

As far as I am concerned that everything includes Geth and EDI!

Modifié par Peregrin25, 10 juillet 2012 - 07:14 .

[xsdob]

Synthesis is no more worse than any other ending choice, the only thing people complain about is that they couldn't wave it away as easily as the others.

All this talk of absolutes just makes me think the side against synthesis is fanatical.

[Vigilant111]

Peregrin25 wrote...

Geth are not permanently destroyed. Admiral Hackett during the slides in the end says "We can rebuild everything that was destroyed"

As far as I am concerned that everything includes Geth and EDI!

OUCHB)

Modifié par Vigilant111, 10 juillet 2012 - 07:16 .

[Romaka]

Peregrin25 wrote...

Geth are not permanently destroyed. Admiral Hackett during the slides in the end says "We can rebuild everything that was destroyed"

As far as I am concerned that everything includes Geth and EDI!

That may be the case to rebuilding the physical bodies of the Geth and EDI but what of the personalities for them?  You can rebuild them but they would not be the same beings as before.  At least my impression.

[Peregrin25]

Romaka wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

Geth are not permanently destroyed. Admiral Hackett during the slides in the end says "We can rebuild everything that was destroyed"

As far as I am concerned that everything includes Geth and EDI!

That may be the case to rebuilding the physical bodies of the Geth and EDI but what of the personalities for them?  You can rebuild them but they would not be the same beings as before.  At least my impression.

That is possible, but there is also the possibility to find ways arround the reaper tech upgrades that made them seem more real instead of just another machine. It could take time, but in Mass Effect, anything is possible.

[Romaka]

xsdob wrote...

Synthesis is no more worse than any other ending choice, the only thing people complain about is that they couldn't wave it away as easily as the others.

All this talk of absolutes just makes me think the side against synthesis is fanatical.

I am not stating it is the worst choice as I am essentially of the opinion that yes they are all bad choices.  Just stating how Synthesis appears to me.  No more and no less.

[Vigilant111]

Romaka wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

Geth are not permanently destroyed. Admiral Hackett during the slides in the end says "We can rebuild everything that was destroyed"

As far as I am concerned that everything includes Geth and EDI!

That may be the case to rebuilding the physical bodies of the Geth and EDI but what of the personalities for them?  You can rebuild them but they would not be the same beings as before.  At least my impression.

Lasarus project...anything is possible in ME

EDIT: new worlds, new personalities

I think personalities are a result of social interactions and biology plays a relative smaller role in shaping a personality, I think a Krogan can make a good scientist if they really want to

Modifié par Vigilant111, 10 juillet 2012 - 07:21 .

[Romaka]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Lasarus project...anything is possible in ME

EDIT: new worlds, new personalities

I think personalities are a result of social interactions and biology plays a relative smaller role in shaping a personality, I think a Krogan can make a good scientist if they really want to

I accept that the Lazarus project could potentially negate my arguement.  But the Lazarus project was to bring an organic back not a synthetic.

[xsdob]

Romaka wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Synthesis is no more worse than any other ending choice, the only thing people complain about is that they couldn't wave it away as easily as the others.

All this talk of absolutes just makes me think the side against synthesis is fanatical.

I am not stating it is the worst choice as I am essentially of the opinion that yes they are all bad choices.  Just stating how Synthesis appears to me.  No more and no less.

It's not about you per-say, but for the posters calling it wrong, evil, horrific, an abomination, killing everyone, and genocide and eugentics.

hyperbole makes it feel more like a retarded political issue than an acutal fan discussion.

[The Angry One]

RiouHotaru wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

TAO, by your own logic, virtually every ending "forces" a decision, because Shepard has to decide for everyone without taking their input. Yes, even Destroy and Refuse.

Don't speak of "forcing" like Synthesis is the only offender.

Again with this fallacy. For the 50,000th time. Destroy and refuse reflect already established agreements with all species to fight and resist the Reapers.
Moreover, it doesn't affect all life, everywhere in the galaxy for the rest of time.

It ends the Geth permanently in Destroy, which effects the Quarians quite a bit.

And I despise this. However, one species =! all species right down to the plants.

And uhhh...Refuse kills off the entire cycle of resisting species.  I'm fairly certain there would be people that would be like "So, we either take one of these choices...or everyone dies?  Okay, we can die!"

http://social.biowar...index/13043671/ 

Die, or surrender to the Reapers? Many would rather go down fighting.

[Ieldra]

RiouHotaru wrote...
People love to just take everything negatively don't they. Would it kill some of you to look at the bright side or the silver lining?

Synthesis removes the gap of understanding between organics and synthetics:


- Organics fear synthetics because of their technological superiority over biological systems.

- Synthetics cannot comprehend the emotional process of humans. Things like loyalty, love, and self-sacrifice are alien to them, because they think in purely logical terms.

Synthesis bridges this gap by giving organics the technological advantages, and the synthetics gain the intimate understanding of the organic condition.

Exactly.

Though I must say that I don't like the underlying claim that you aren't truly alive unless you have the emotional range of organic life forms organized more or less like humans. Someone at Bioware either has a skewed perspective, or chose, for whatever reason, to ascribe that skewed perspective to EDI.