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[memorysquid]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Why do people care that synthetics rebel against their creators? No synthetic has ever wiped out their creators and then every spec of organic matter in the galaxy.

Or tried.

Or ever presented that potential motivation.

Or succeeded, most of all.

You are simply speculating based on nothing the authors decided to write for us.  Who knows what happened way back?  It hasn't been written yet.  I hope the writers have Leviathan mention every AI in the history of everything has ultimately rebelled.  LOL

Don't care if it does. 

Since I would simply refute using the exact post you quoted. 

It would be just as irrelevant then.  The writers left it open ended for a reason and made the Catalyst say what he says.  You are not going to get a leg up on the people who invented the universe.  LOL!

P.S. The Citadel AI actually mentions the inevitability of conflict and his wish to join the Geth to wipe out organics and safeguard its own existence.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

k0xfilter wrote...

You dont get it...

Oh I do. 

Not my fault the analogy was stupid. And wrong. 

You clearly don't get it the the analogy is based on perspective at all.

I get that is was meant as a point on perspective. 

But using color-blindness as the proving analogy was stupid and wrong. 

[Applepie_Svk]

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

maaaze wrote...


I like my Individuality ....thank you...i am not defending the reapers...i just say that what the catalyst says makes sense...from his point of view...and his point is as valid...as mine to remain a individual.

It calls delusion...

How is it a delusion to understand a machine always does what it's programed to do?

There is nothing to understand about Catalyst, there is only delusion of choice. If you agreed with Catalyst logic and accept his way of thinking  - of preserving Reapers, than you are deluded. Reapers never came and ask us about their goals - they were first who pull the trigger and by their superiority have no reason to give you power over them in any way.
It´s simple as it is ... indoctrination itself is still in motion - if you like it or notB)

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:27 .

[mauro2222]

It's a cheap solution for terrible writing...

"The creator will always rebel against its creator"

Well... no **** Sherlock!

Cheap and stupid.

Modifié par mauro2222, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:26 .

[The Night Mammoth]

memorysquid wrote...

It would be just as irrelevant then.  The writers left it open ended for a reason and made the Catalyst say what he says.  You are not going to get a leg up on the people who invented the universe.  LOL!

Get a leg up? 

Whatever. Not my fault they can't tell a story competently. 

P.S. The Citadel AI actually mentions the inevitability of conflict and his wish to join the Geth to wipe out organics and safeguard its own existence.

Pretty sure it doesn't. Since, you know, it only wants to stay alive, rather than pursue a genocidal campaign.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

maaaze wrote...


Science is always challanged as it should...nothing is fact...it is just very likly...

Nothing is fact? 

Eh? 

Then why the f*ck does the word exist? Why does the idea exist? This is so wrong. Many, many things are fact. 

and hey I can just say strawman and appear to have a point...LOOK at me ...I am argueing...strawman ...hahaha...what a good point...

Whatever. You straman'd, sorry for pointing that out.

Prove that it exsist.

Woah, strawmen, strawmen everything. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:29 .

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

maaaze wrote...


I like my Individuality ....thank you...i am not defending the reapers...i just say that what the catalyst says makes sense...from his point of view...and his point is as valid...as mine to remain a individual.

It calls delusion...

How is it a delusion to understand a machine always does what it's programed to do?

There is nothing to understand about Catalyst, there is only delusion of choice. If you agreed with Catalyst logic and accept his way of thinking  - of preserving Reapers, than you are deluded. Reapers never came and ask us about their goals - they were first who pull the trigger and by their superiority have no reason to give you power over them in any way.

1.It was never up to the catalyst todecide his motivations. It was his creators.
2.What ever it beleives, even if it's proven wrong doesn't matter. It will still being do what it is doing. Machines just do what they are programed to do. That's all you need to understand. If it's programed to thinl pears are apples, it will forever think pears are apples till it's changed.

3.The only choice that in anyway agree with it's belief is synthesis. That is what it want s to do. That is the only time you agree with it at all.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

maaaze wrote...


Science is always challanged as it should...nothing is fact...it is just very likly...

Nothing is fact? 

Eh? 

Then why the f*ck does the word exist? Why does the idea exist? This is so wrong. Many, many things are fact. 

and hey I can just say strawman and appear to have a point...LOOK at me ...I am argueing...strawman ...hahaha...what a good point...

Whatever. You straman'd, sorry for pointing that out.

Prove that it exsist.

Woah, stramen, stramen everything. 

Not a starman. You brought it up. I'm only asking for a proper source.

[Mazebook]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No, it means based on you eyes, blue is still blue.

Based on defects in your eyes, yout brain tells you things that are false. You ate the thing that is broken, blue light is still blue light. You would, effectively, be wrong in saying it's red. 

What if there is a being with a completly different color spectum with there eyes ands see blue as black. You not getting that what you see does not mean what everyone sees. And event cn happen and people have have serveral differentconcept of what happened. Just look at our race, we have several different moralities and conflict of the world. You simply looking at the world in a too denotative perspective. Black is no always black nor white is always white. I some on with a different color spectrum then we do comes up. they would see that black as a different color.

And this is the point you should have made from the beginning. 

It maybe the same wavelenght but there is no way of finding out if it is interpreted the same way in every Brain...Everything is interpreted by our brain...the wavelenght you assign blue to it ...can be assigned with the color red by me ....we know the brain can be tricked or be inaccurate or simply being false...that´s were perspective comes into play....

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
Not a starman. You brought it up. I'm only asking for a proper source.

Source for what? 

That the idea of 'fact' exists? 

Strawmen. 

F*cking strawmen everywhere. 

[The Night Mammoth]

maaaze wrote...

It maybe the same wavelenght but there is no way of finding out if it is interpreted the same way in every Brain...Everything is interpreted by our brain...the wavelenght you assign blue to it ...can be assigned with the color red by me ....we know the brain can be tricked or be inaccurate or simply being false...that´s were perspective comes into play....

But we know that people without a defect see the colour as blue. 

People WITH the defect see it as red. 

The people WITh the defect are effectively broken in some capacity. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Science is always challanged as it should...nothing is fact...it is just very likly...

I'm trying very hard not to insult your intelligence. Please don't tempt me. I hope, for your sake, that you see how stupid you sound right now.

and hey I can just say strawman and appear to have a point...LOOK at me ...I am argueing...strawman ...hahaha...what a good point...

I dare you...try me...if you really think anything can be 100% proven...you are very naive..

Humans need oxygen to live, fact. Go ahead try and hold your breath indefinitely to disprove it. I can wait.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:35 .

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

k0xfilter wrote...

You dont get it...

Oh I do. 

Not my fault the analogy was stupid. And wrong. 

You clearly don't get it the the analogy is based on perspective at all.

I get that is was meant as a point on perspective. 

But using color-blindness as the proving analogy was stupid and wrong. 

No it's not. What you not getting is that our senses don't show us everything. We only see what they are capable of catching. If our sense are capable of catching more or less, it would be a completly differnt thing we are observing. We would not even be taking about blue if our race could only see blue or white. And if we could see more then color, would blue stay the blue we now know?
Plainly, it's based on perspective.

[Applepie_Svk]

dreman9999 wrote...

3.The only choice that in anyway agree with it's belief is synthesis. That is what it want s to do. That is the only time you agree with it at all.

His main goal was to delude Shepard into presserving Reapers by synthesis or control, foreshadowed by delusion of ending conflict betwen Reapers and cycle.

...Indoctrination doesn´t need to make sense...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:38 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
No it's not. What you not getting is that our senses don't show us everything.

Quite right.

People with color blindness are fooled by their senses.

Hence my f*cking point. It's a poor analogy. Perspective is an important thing, but what you're talking about it effectively physical perspective. 

[dreman9999]

Greylycantrope wrote...

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Science is always challanged as it should...nothing is fact...it is just very likly...

I'm trying very hard not to insult your intelligence. Please don't tempt me. I hope, for your sake, that you see how stupid you sound right now.

and hey I can just say strawman and appear to have a point...LOOK at me ...I am argueing...strawman ...hahaha...what a good point...

I dare you...try me...if you really think anything can be 100% proven...you are very naive..

Humans need oxygen to live, fact. Go ahead try and hold your breath to disprove it. I can wait.

No we don't. We need lots of other elements in the atmosphere to live. If was just oxygen then we could  in water. Also, irocily pure oxygen in high dosies is poisonous.

http://en.wikipedia....Oxygen_toxicity

[Applepie_Svk]

Greylycantrope wrote...

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Science is always challanged as it should...nothing is fact...it is just very likly...

I'm trying very hard not to insult your intelligence. Please don't tempt me. I hope, for your sake, that you see how stupid you sound right now.

and hey I can just say strawman and appear to have a point...LOOK at me ...I am argueing...strawman ...hahaha...what a good point...

I dare you...try me...if you really think anything can be 100% proven...you are very naive..

Humans need oxygen to live, fact. Go ahead try and hold your breath indefinitely to disprove it. I can wait.

And Maaze never again return to BSN...

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No it's not. What you not getting is that our senses don't show us everything.

Quite right.

People with color blindness are fooled by their senses.

Hence my f*cking point. It's a poor analogy. Perspective is an important thing, but what you're talking about it effectively physical perspective. 

But we all have  a limitd physical perspective. Saying its' an absoult is wrong.

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Science is always challanged as it should...nothing is fact...it is just very likly...

I'm trying very hard not to insult your intelligence. Please don't tempt me. I hope, for your sake, that you see how stupid you sound right now.

and hey I can just say strawman and appear to have a point...LOOK at me ...I am argueing...strawman ...hahaha...what a good point...

I dare you...try me...if you really think anything can be 100% proven...you are very naive..

Humans need oxygen to live, fact. Go ahead try and hold your breath indefinitely to disprove it. I can wait.

And Maaze never again return to BSN...

Dear poster,
http://en.wikipedia....Oxygen_toxicity
Oh, And live with out breathing. http://www.unexplain...s.php?id=229393

Modifié par dreman9999, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:43 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Science is always challanged as it should...nothing is fact...it is just very likly...

I'm trying very hard not to insult your intelligence. Please don't tempt me. I hope, for your sake, that you see how stupid you sound right now.

and hey I can just say strawman and appear to have a point...LOOK at me ...I am argueing...strawman ...hahaha...what a good point...

I dare you...try me...if you really think anything can be 100% proven...you are very naive..

Humans need oxygen to live, fact. Go ahead try and hold your breath to disprove it. I can wait.

No we don't. We need lots of other elements in the atmosphere to live. If was just oxygen then we could  in water. Also, irocily pure oxygen in high dosies is poisonous.

http://en.wikipedia....Oxygen_toxicity

Wow, nice stry smart *ss, but futile, because you're wrong. 

You DO need oxygen to live. You're litte article does nothing to disprove that. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:43 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No it's not. What you not getting is that our senses don't show us everything.

Quite right.

People with color blindness are fooled by their senses.

Hence my f*cking point. It's a poor analogy. Perspective is an important thing, but what you're talking about it effectively physical perspective. 

But we all have  a limitd physical perspective. Saying its' an absoult is wrong.

Saying what is an absolute? 

That certain wavelengths will produce a certain color of light even though it's proven to be true? 

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

No we don't. We need lots of other elements in the atmosphere to live. If was just oxygen then we could  in water. Also, irocily pure oxygen in high dosies is poisonous.

http://en.wikipedia....Oxygen_toxicity

Yes we do. 

Earth's atmosphere consists primarily of oxygen and nitrogen, without either one, we would asphyxiate. Humans need oxygen to live.

Humans cannot breathe in water because we also need nitrogen, which is present in our atmosphere. Water consists of 2 parts hydrogen, 1 part oxygen. H2O. Hydrogen monoxide.

Not sure if obtuse or stupid.

[Mazebook]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

maaaze wrote...

It maybe the same wavelenght but there is no way of finding out if it is interpreted the same way in every Brain...Everything is interpreted by our brain...the wavelenght you assign blue to it ...can be assigned with the color red by me ....we know the brain can be tricked or be inaccurate or simply being false...that´s were perspective comes into play....

But we know that people without a defect see the colour as blue. 

People WITH the defect see it as red. 

The people WITh the defect are effectively broken in some capacity. 

no...we know that the people assign colors to a wavelenght...and that the wavelenght remain consistant...but we don´t know if the colors assigned ...which creates the mental image... are the same in every brain...

[Mazebook]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Science is always challanged as it should...nothing is fact...it is just very likly...

I'm trying very hard not to insult your intelligence. Please don't tempt me. I hope, for your sake, that you see how stupid you sound right now.

and hey I can just say strawman and appear to have a point...LOOK at me ...I am argueing...strawman ...hahaha...what a good point...

I dare you...try me...if you really think anything can be 100% proven...you are very naive..

Humans need oxygen to live, fact. Go ahead try and hold your breath indefinitely to disprove it. I can wait.

And Maaze never again return to BSN...

please remain ignorant...

Modifié par maaaze, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No it's not. What you not getting is that our senses don't show us everything.

Quite right.

People with color blindness are fooled by their senses.

Hence my f*cking point. It's a poor analogy. Perspective is an important thing, but what you're talking about it effectively physical perspective. 

But we all have  a limitd physical perspective. Saying its' an absoult is wrong.

Saying what is an absolute? 

That certain wavelengths will produce a certain color of light even though it's proven to be true? 

Yes a wave lenghts can produce color via light but how we see it is till basd on our sense. Our sense still have limits. We may see it but that doesn't mean what we see is everything about it. We are still not seeing all the data there based on our physical limit.