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[DESTRAUDO]

Dollar Avenger wrote...

-Morbid- wrote...

tchoping wrote...

I hope that someone at Bioware picks up on this. I enjoy playing the weekend challenges and try my best to put the hours in to succeed with allied goals at least. I am sure many others do. There is a point here that there was conflicting information on this site and the mass effect site blog. The question was asked a number of times on this thread, but no clarification was given.(accept my apology if that is not so)
Surely someone at Bioware can check the multiplayer discussion and catch a promlem like this.

I accept that some queries can be answered by players themselves, ie if it is 6pm PST what time is it in the UK?.

This is different. It demanded clarification.

We have had some form of confusion for nearly every event we have had because BioWare can't be clear on goals/times/whatever. This one alone had the ending time issue and the fact that full extractions were required for the community goal even though they weren't mentioned.

There has also been confusion in the past in regards to whether or not soloing counts, whether it counts if you join a game already in progress, what time the event starts since we seem to get the splash screen before the listed starting time, there was the issue a while back where the BioWare twitter person gave out incorrect information about the event that then had to be corrected here, etc.

They just have a rather obvious issue with clarity. For this specific one, all they had to do was edit the forum post to show the proper time, and change the community goal to say "full extractions" and it would have been fixed. The BioWare guys aren't stupid, as proved by their (mostly) great games, so I don't understand why it is so hard for them to do.

Most of the confusion hasn't really affected me much, but I still find it annoying because being clear isn't something that is hard to do. Hell, I would volunteer my services to proof-read and check for clarity on all future operation posts if I thought there was any chance of it happening.

Really?  The end time of the event was actually Monday morning and miscommunicated to the community again?  And possibly the squad goal required a full extraction when all but one source indicated only one squad member needed to be extracted?  I love the multiplayer, but the communication of these weekend events could be a lot better.  What source are we supposed to trust for the events?

A part of me wonders what admiral hackett would have to say about the important of clear communication down the chain of command in war. We need a weekend op to increase the clarity of the operation blog posts.  XD

Also, i said it before the op started, peoply trying to get the squad goal would be the death of the community goal. I dont know if that ended up being true but i bet it played a big fat role, especially in the large segment of the player base who only got 4-5 games in over the operation and probably spent them trying to get that n7 weapon.

Modifié par DESTRAUDO, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:33 .

[Rchecks]

Free Bird wrote...

Rchecks wrote...

Psycho Pisces wrote...

You know, usually it takes until Tuesday for them to add up all the numbers and tell us we done bad..

How
interesting that in less than 12 hours, they had the entire thing
tabulated what with Comicon going on... Interesting indeed.

How do you figure 12 hours  if it ended sunday morning at 10 am?  more like 30 hours


Operation: Broadside begins at 10am PST on Friday July 13and ends at 10am PST on Sunday July 15.

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/07/10/operation-broadside/

Operation Broadside begins at 10am PST Friday July 13 and ends at 4am PST Monday July 16.

one is right one is wrong both from bioware just cause a blog has it doesnt make it correct

it was even brought up in the forums about the day and not a single official answer was given

Modifié par Rchecks, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:39 .

[Lopirf]

It says to extract the SQUAD... I'm pretty sure that means the squad, which would be all of the players in the game...

[Amaron28]

so did we fail or pass the community challenge?

[KiraTsukasa]

Lopirf wrote...

It says to extract the SQUAD... I'm pretty sure that means the squad, which would be all of the players in the game...

Some interpreted that way, more people interpreted it another way. None of the past operations have required a full extraction for anything and were worded similarly. That we needed to do full extractions this time should have been specified in a way that was clear to everyone BEFORE the event began, NOT halfway through.

[Onyx Reaper]

dd614 wrote...

The community goal should have said FULL EXTRACTIONS, not SQUAD. It was a failure on Bioware's part.

^This.

[WaffleCrab]

OniEdge wrote...

Free Bird wrote...

Rchecks wrote...

Psycho Pisces wrote...

You know, usually it takes until Tuesday for them to add up all the numbers and tell us we done bad..

How interesting that in less than 12 hours, they had the entire thing tabulated what with Comicon going on... Interesting indeed.

How do you figure 12 hours  if it ended sunday morning at 10 am?  more like 30 hours


Operation: Broadside begins at 10am PST on Friday July 13and ends at 10am PST on Sunday July 15.

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/07/10/operation-broadside/

Operation Broadside begins at 10am PST Friday July 13 and ends at 4am PST Monday July 16.

And Chris said Sunday. So which is it? Becasue that's a difference of 18 hours.

I still can't believe that after all this time, BioWare still screws things up. Differing times stated, vague wording, and now potentially incorrect posting? Really now.

you know it could be worse, they could be like Dice:whistle:

[CaptainFlan]

DESTRAUDO wrote...

A part of me wonders what admiral hackett would have to say about the important of clear communication down the chain of command in war.

A: "Hackett out."

Modifié par CaptainFlan, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:03 .

[Raging Nug]

CaptainFlan wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...

A part of me wonders what admiral hackett would have to say about the important of clear communication down the chain of command in war.

A: "Hackett out."

This is why the Reapers are winning - they know how to communicate effectively. When I'm told "It is not a thing you can comprehend" I get it, clear as crystal. You can't explain that.

[Aesandil]

Melancholic wrote...

That being said, this event is probably planned to end in failure so that they can use that as an excuse to release the "reinforcements" from the Earth DLC. At least, that's what happened when Rebellion came out. 

I hope not. But in case you're right, it will mean that there is a pattern. And it'll show how much it sucks that we can't see a real-time counter for such operations.

[Yuanrang]

Lopirf wrote...

It says to extract the SQUAD... I'm pretty sure that means the squad, which would be all of the players in the game...

Yes, but when a military unit takes casualties, they are still a squad. If the Operation bulletin had said "Leave no man behind", I could understand it since it implied a full extraction, but in this case I was completely surprised when the "full extractions only" clarification came on page 13 or 14 in this thread.

This is a moot discussion either way. You will have a part of the community interpreting it in one way, and one part interpreting it completely differently. It really just boils down to BioWare being unable to write very clear missions, or even add in clarifications to the original post. Had they been more thorough in the entire process, this confusion simply would not exist.

[CaptainFlan]

Raging Nug wrote...

CaptainFlan wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...

A part of me wonders what admiral hackett would have to say about the important of clear communication down the chain of command in war.

A: "Hackett out."

This is why the Reapers are winning - they know how to communicate effectively. When I'm told "It is not a thing you can comprehend" I get it, clear as crystal. You can't explain that.

Haha, I can just imagine an op that only states, "Squad Goal Success: It is not a thing you can comprehend."

[Nasulprak]

I'm guessing that we did not reach 400,000 Full Reaper Extractions between 10am Friday, and 10 am Sunday. Which is why the original failure notice was put up momentarily.
I am also guessing that we hit 400,000 Partial and Full Reaper Extractions between 10 am Friday, and 4 am Monday, and they are busy deliberating internally if those were the objectives to meet.

[Raging Nug]

CaptainFlan wrote...
Haha, I can just imagine an op that only states, "Squad Goal Success: It is not a thing you can comprehend."

lol, that'd be in the announcement for operation BRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZ!

[Huma1978]

As others have said, the wording for the squad goal could be miscontrued to many to mean any type of extraction (Full, Partial and Solo). Far as I know there was no clarification on if it had to be 400,000 FULL Extractions... just 400,000 extractions. If it WAS indeed the former, being full extractions needed, and there was no clarification on BioWare's part... then the fault does lie with them.

The fact that the post Jessica Merizan made, and was subsequently taken down, implies that the folks in charge of the weekend challenges are still discussing this/going through the data again/etc. Guess we'll just wait and see how the cookie crumbles, yes?

Modifié par Huma1978, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:56 .

[oooo yeah]

What we're all forgetting is that the reward for the community goal is something we already had at the start but was taken away in an update. So basically they gave us a cookie and then snatched it away and now want to incentivize us to do the challenges by feeding it back to us one crumb at a time.

[DarkAbsolution]

It'd just be real nice to the community as a whole, if there was one single point of contact for these messages and updates, and not have them half-buried across twitter, BSN, and Blog, where the community if forced to scour for different tidbits here and there.  It'd also be real nice if there were clear and distinct start and finish times, and a clear description of the squad and community goals each time.  I mean, each time half of the threads are filled with people asking for clarification on what the meaning of the squad goals are.  Surely by now it'd be fairly obvious what needs to be stated in a clear, concise, and meaningful fashion such there isn't this confusion almost each and every single time.

Either that, or this was a deliberate type of trolling on Bioware's part, in order to ensure community goal failure for whatever in-game reasons they've chosen.

[-Sxx-]

Well maybe it was harder to reach because not as many people are playing ME3 MP any more. Wonder if BW has taken note of that. Unless it's just as or more popular.

[donnyrides]

DarkAbsolution wrote...

 It'd also be real nice if there were clear and distinct start and finish times, and a clear description of the squad and community goals each time.

2 other things would be nice as well.

1. a message that tells you if you passed the personal goal
2. a web site that shows the running total for the mission. It could update every hour if they wanted to save overhead. This can't be that hard to build. Don't know why everything has to be such a secret. 

Modifié par donnyrides, 17 juillet 2012 - 01:35 .

[Lopirf]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Lopirf wrote...

It says to extract the SQUAD... I'm pretty sure that means the squad, which would be all of the players in the game...

Some interpreted that way, more people interpreted it another way. None of the past operations have required a full extraction for anything and were worded similarly. That we needed to do full extractions this time should have been specified in a way that was clear to everyone BEFORE the event began, NOT halfway through.

I do understand what you mean though. Most would think of it as that since it was not specified, but I just always do it with caution... Just in case  . But I guess I wasted quite a few rockets saving people from the banshees . Well, time to prepare for the next event and hope it will be clearly stated (for those who need it) or be easier...

I also hope for a counter of some sort so we can actually where we are in it  (but mystery doesn't always hurt)

Modifié par Lopirf, 17 juillet 2012 - 01:51 .

[Kyerea]

WaffleCrab wrote...

OniEdge wrote...

Free Bird wrote...

Rchecks wrote...

Psycho Pisces wrote...

You know, usually it takes until Tuesday for them to add up all the numbers and tell us we done bad..

How interesting that in less than 12 hours, they had the entire thing tabulated what with Comicon going on... Interesting indeed.

How do you figure 12 hours  if it ended sunday morning at 10 am?  more like 30 hours


Operation: Broadside begins at 10am PST on Friday July 13and ends at 10am PST on Sunday July 15.

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/07/10/operation-broadside/

Operation Broadside begins at 10am PST Friday July 13 and ends at 4am PST Monday July 16.

And Chris said Sunday. So which is it? Becasue that's a difference of 18 hours.

I still can't believe that after all this time, BioWare still screws things up. Differing times stated, vague wording, and now potentially incorrect posting? Really now.

you know it could be worse, they could be like Dice

*Remembers BF3 hotfixes/patches*

*Stops complaining about little things in ME3's weekend challenges.*

[Brymfyre]

A part of me wonders what admiral hackett would have to say about the important of clear communication down the chain of command in war. We need a weekend op to increase the clarity of the operation blog posts.  XD

 

Supposedly Napoleon kept a "very daft individual" (toned down for PC purposes) on his staff, and whenever he had orders to send to one of his generals, he would allow his 'very daft individual' to read it first.  If he couldn't repeat back the important parts correctly after the first read, Napoleon would dumb down his orders further, to make sure they could be understood.

[Hantaksk]

Blah...

BW, I really appreciatte all these weekend challenges as they make things more interesting for the community as a whole. Yet i must say that the constant lack of clear information is becoming a little bit annoying. I dont doubt the capabilities of the people working on BW, they have done great games and hopefully they will keep surprising us in the future, yet i cannot avoid to wonder why they havent implemented simple things to avoid the constant confusion and frustration of players and BSN users.

I suggest:
-Link ,on the Original Post for each event, to a FAQ where you will get answers to the most common questions such as "when will the packs will be awarded?", "whats the content of a commendation and/or victory pack?", etc.

-Link on the O.P. for oficial updates (like when the operation oficially starts and ends)

-Link via in game or origin (we know you guys like origin...) to the forums regarding operations, just a one time message (wich is not always readed) when you first join the multiplayer aint enough.
-WE REQUIRE more clear and specific OP's about the operation requirements, on the topic at hand if you say you require a squad extraction on any difficultty that can mean lots of things. for example make it to the wave 11 and accomplish the mission, get at least a "lone survivor" extraction, get at least a "partial extraction", or get nothing less than a FULL EXTRACTION, thats the language you use on the game why not use it on the original post?

Anyway, no matter the outcome i had a blast playing on gold against reapers with non gold players lol a bit frustrating from time to time but it was still fun, kudos to you all for keeping these events going and i only take the time to post because just like lots of members of this community we want to help improve the players experience and from time to time make your work a little easier

[phoenix fang55]

Also, somewhere, please make it so that we can see whether or not we accomplished the goals, I know this is not halo, but in halo, you have daily and weekly challenges and you can see a nice checkmark for the ones youve acheived, and for the alliance goal, but a counter on the website, just so we can keep track, it'd be nice to know whether we can laze about or have to put the grind on to meet the goal.