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[XOGHunter246]

Ok forgive me if I'm wrong but yeah you get to marry Anora/Alistair but think in like 20-30 years you'll be dead cause of taint also it's hard to conceive a child with the taint and if you marry Alistair hell have to die before you become next in line which would mean anyway you be dying soon after so you wouldn't  ever get a chance to rule and carry on the family for future kings/queens unless you was somehow lucky to get a heir.

So in reality Anora should be the one marrying Alistair or male PC as this would mean he have a better chance to carry on the family.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 06 février 2010 - 11:11 .

[David Gaider]

A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion.



Insofar as how long a Grey Warden could remain on the throne, it depends. The taint will make a Grey Warden age faster, so someone like Loghain isn't going to be able to stay a Grey Warden for very long as he's no young man. The "thirty years" quote is about the maximum, but the reality is that it depends on how often one is exposed to the corruption and sometimes just personal variance-- even so, for a monarch to stay on the throne upwards of thirty years is no mean feat. I don't really think that's the limiting factor when it comes to this sort of thing.

[David Gaider]

Demeira wrote...
Well, there goes my fairy tale!  I was hoping for a loophole somewhere that would make my fanfiction plausible.  I had this all planned out that Alistair and Orlaine (my PC) would have twins because of some ancient Tevinter fertility charms given to them by some sorceress out of Orlais and somehow the act of having these children born of two Wardens would somehow give Alistair and Orlaine an additional 20 years and would somehow dilute the taint.  And these twins would start bloodlines that would play into the next two Blights.  Looks like that idea is scrapped...

Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story.

[David Gaider]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
Ah, I feel like that small little kitten whose owner puts the string righ in front of their faces, dangling it only to pull it away last second, leaving me confused and befuddled, only to have the same thing happen again and again.

But seriously, I'm taking the first post as law. It was pretty clear cut that 2 Grey Wardens together, or in the case of Alistair/female PC, no kids are happening.

The second one seemed like more of a "Cheer up, it's not that bad" kind of post than one that gives an alternate solution. I really don't expect my female pc to be happy now, other than when she is dead, lol. But thanks for the sentiment anyway David.

I'll point out that Alistair does bring this up, and in fact breaks up with a female player because he feels it's his duty to bear children -- unless she convinces him that there are more important things, like being happy.

If being able to marry the man you love is insufficient because you must also bear his children in order for you to be happy, then sure. I guess you'll be unhappy -- barring some kind of unforeseen circumstance occuring.

And my second post was not a pat-pat on the poster's head to make her feel better... there are always ways that these sorts of rules can get circumvented. Alistair did not, after all, say to you "two Grey Wardens cannot have children, except for the extremely rare possibility of them recovering the Holy Elixir of Saradesh or somehow purging their blood of the taint through unknown sorts of blood magic... but normally? Not a chance."

As far as anyone (including Alistair) knows, under normal circumstances two Grey Wardens cannot have children with each other. I didn't mention unknown exceptions because they're unknown -- that should just be assumed. And that's just the way it is.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:26 .

[David Gaider]

LadyVaJedi wrote...
You men devs are being sexist. By dashing lady gamers' dreams. : (

Actually, we dash dreams equally for both sexes.  We're equal-opportunity dashers.

Demeira wrote...
I'm not saying that the game is to be blamed for anything, just sometimes it would be nice to not be reminded that you're broken.

I sympathize with your condition, but we never promised anyone a happily-ever-after-with-children. Considering the nature of the world and the story, I would hope that shouldn't be too surprising. If that's not the sort of entertainment you seek, that's certainly your perogative.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:43 .

[David Gaider]

eschilde wrote...
Nowhere does he say, "Two Grey Wardens absolutely cannot have kids." That's all I'm saying.

Because he's never heard of such a thing happening.

But, fine. If you prefer, you and Alistair run off and mysteriously produce a boatload of children. He didn't think it could happen, but he didn't say never so clearly he must be wrong. Heirs galore. The end.

Better? 

[David Gaider]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...
And puppies. You have to have puppies.

And puppies! And well-trained children!

And Morrigan tripped on the way out of Denerim and died. And Alistair forgot he ever saw her naked.

No consequences for anybody! Yay!! 

I don't want this to be like yesterday. I really liked this thread...

I am not being ****y today! I swear!

[David Gaider]

Decomposey wrote...
After all, what do you think is harder, bending the fabric of reality to your will, or getting a sperm into an egg?

True. Maybe you can find a mage who's fully specced out their Fertility spell line.

[David Gaider]

tigrina wrote...
Ok, I'm assuming the same goes for a non-warden and a female warden? That the child is untainted? Same would go for if 2 wardens get a child miraculously?

Right.

And Morrigan's ritual is in part to ensure that there is some baby and it is actually tainted, right? Till the magic with the archdemonoldgoldsoulthingy takes place.

It might not be tainted. All she needs is a connection to the Archdemon's soul in order to draw it. If the baby is actually corrupted, then yes -- that would have taken some special magic in order to make it so.

It is hard to grasp these kind of lore bits when real life biology bites back in your head all the time. I had assumed that if a grey warden was pregnant herself the child would be tainted. The Calling is so different in this regard that it doesn't really count as 'normal procedure' in my head.

Well, if you like, consider some real-world biology: in utero infants are regularly protected against infections of the mother. The placenta criculates the blood of both the mother and the infant in order to draw nutrients that the child needs, but their blood does not actually mix.

How much you can actually apply real-world biology in the case where magic is involved, however, is debateable. Maybe that's just one of my "low IQ" ideas, however, I dunno.

[David Gaider]

LynxAQ wrote...
If 2 grey wardens cant have children, then 1 grey warden cant have children either even with untainted people. Fertility doesnt work like you have going. I also refuse to believe you are that ignorant of fertility etc to actually think that 2 people who have low fertility chances trying to have a baby = no babies... its like a pre-schoolers thinking.

Ah. I didn't realize you were an authority on how darkspawn corruption affects human biology. My mistake.

And to correct you about your own game, Alistair does not say its impossible for 2 grey wardens to have children. He says something along the lines of 1 grey warden struggles to have children, so 2 will be even harder. (He does not say its impossible) You then get the option to say something to the lines of, well at least there will be no lack of trying. Also when I got there he didnt try to break up with my human female noble at all.. so dont know where you get that nonsense as well.

I never said that Alistair says it is impossible. I said it was impossible. Alistair's knowledge is not complete -- he's only never heard of it happening, he's not a scholar who's reciting facts.

What I said is that Alistair brings it up, which he does. And if you haven't switched his hardening variable he *does* break up with you.

I usually agree with what you say but this time I can't as low fertility problem is something some real life friends struggled with a while ago, but now they have 2 great little kids. Both where told by doctors they had low chance of conception, but noting physically wrong with them, they just had to keep trying.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that neither of your friends were infected with the darkspawn taint. Just a hunch, but I'm crazy that way. I sympathize with their problem, but I am not suggesting that the problem here is low fertility. It is darkspawn corruption.

Basically if 2 grey wardens cant have children, that means there is something wrong with them, and also means that even 1 grey warden with an untainted person cant have children either. If you think fertility works the way you describe it then you obviously not as intelligent as I thought.

If you prefer to think that, then by all means. It doesn't affect the game, and the fact that two Grey Wardens will never have a child together in game can be explained any way you wish if that makes you feel better. There's clearly no point in arguing with you, since any argument I come up with would be the unintelligent thoughts of a pre-schooler, I guess.

Modifié par David Gaider, 17 décembre 2009 - 04:21 .

[David Gaider]

eschilde wrote...
Seriously though, whether or not to take a dev's information into account with your character is up to the player. This isn't something that's explicitly stated in game so I think players thinking whatever they want isn't necessarily a bad thing >.> if I never read the forums I wouldn't have known. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

Indeed. A question about the lore was asked and thus answered. Alistair didn't say (and doesn't know) "it is 100% impossible for two Grey Wardens to have a child". He's only been a Grey Warden for a short while, and all he knows is he's never heard of it happening.

*I*, however, am telling you what the lore is. That may not concern you, but I am indeed saying that Alistair and the PC he's married to will come to find that they cannot have children together. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will eventually come along and say "you know, two Grey Wardens being married in a situation where children are required is not a great idea"... but until that point all Alistair knows is that it will likely be very hard if not impossible.

You didn't get ALL the hard facts prior to making your decision? Welcome to Dragon Age.

And like I said, if you really prefer to think otherwise, then do so. The lore that exists outside the game is pretty much outside the game -- someone wringing their hands and taking it as a personal condemnation because their in-game avatar might be in an infertile relationship and that this is insufficient fantasy fulfillment seems a bit melodramatic to me. Considering all the other sacrifices you make to get where you are, is it so startling to discover that a consequence-free HEA might not be in the cards?

I'm not suggesting anyone find this result completely happy-making. We weren't going for blissful satisfaction, here. But this is how it is. And I'm beginning to think I just shouldn't have said anything at all, to be honest.

Modifié par David Gaider, 17 décembre 2009 - 04:57 .

[David Gaider]

Ulicus wrote...
Either way, I assume there's a reason that the baby is a "beacon" above and beyond the nearest tainted creatures.

Right -- if the only reason that the Archdemon is drawn is because the baby is tainted, then she would have needed to be the one nearest to the Archdemon when the deathblow was made. She doesn't -- so clearly there is some other process at work. I suppose Morrigan could have gone into an in-depth discussion of how this works, but I think that a) that would have been cumbersome and being vague was probably in her best interest.

[David Gaider]

LynxAQ wrote...
I never ment that at as an attack against you personally David, and if you have taken it that way I do apologise.

Then you need to work on your communication skills.

Apology accepted.

[David Gaider]

LynxAQ wrote...
I must be honest tho - your dictatorous (such a word?) approach to the lore is pretty disconcerting. I have never seen a company in all my many gaming years take such an approach on the lore "This is the game lore and this is how it will be because I said so". Rather bad way to develope lore with the community who love the game tbh.

I think you mean dictatorial.

And if there's a compelling IP out there that approaches its lore democratically or by committee, I've yet to see it.

[David Gaider]

Not to interject too strenuously, as it's mostly amusing, but could chit-chat about Warhammer 40K maybe be taken to PM? Or Off Topic?