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Is there really any point in warden being marride to King/Queen cause of the taint


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AntiChri5 wrote...

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Herr Uhl wrote...

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Which gets me thinking, are darkspawn born from eggs? or do they come out from the broodmother whole, or in a larvae form?


If you watch the concept art on the broodmother page, it seems that they penetrate the membrane.

http://dragonage.bio...es/brood_mother

That's appetizing.

You know, I wondered. After darkspawn are birthed, do they suckle? Because she has all those breasts, and that's what they're for...


You mean THATS what there for?! All these years ive been thinking of them as pillows. Learn something new everday.

I cant believe my one question about the Broodmother has devolved into...this.

Fascinating...Just fascinating.


like there so many like things interesting about this game as in where or why this happened  that mentioning anything ends up in long conversation.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Which gets me thinking, are darkspawn born from eggs? or do they come out from the broodmother whole, or in a larvae form?


If you watch the concept art on the broodmother page, it seems that they penetrate the membrane.

http://dragonage.bio...es/brood_mother

That's appetizing.

You know, I wondered. After darkspawn are birthed, do they suckle? Because she has all those breasts, and that's what they're for...


You mean THATS what there for?! All these years ive been thinking of them as pillows. Learn something new everday.

I cant believe my one question about the Broodmother has devolved into...this.

Fascinating...Just fascinating.


New to the internet, I take it?

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Yep

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AntiChri5 wrote...

Yep


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Be careful, he's the anti-chris.

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Taleroth wrote...

Be careful, he's the anti-chris.


I shall strike you down for your blasphemy!!!!

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Taleroth wrote...

Be careful, he's the anti-chris.


I see it as the anti of Chris Preistly. Thus he must be a good and honorable man woman.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:14 .


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Herr Uhl wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Be careful, he's the anti-chris.


I see it as the anti of Chris Preistly. Thus he must be a good and honorable man woman.


I assume the woman part is to be the opposite of Priestly? The good part yes. Honourable....not so much  :bandit:

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Once again I'm just gonna say, theres the sacred ashes it heals all right, just get some more of that eat, spread it around down in the nether regions or some such and boom children lol

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Okay.  Yes, I've read all of David's posts on the matter.  But I know I for one found it suspicious that Wynne was alive at the end of both of my finished playthroughs, including my human noble as queen one.  It was SO built up that she was going to die, and soon...

It seems plausible to me that she was left alive for a reason.  Would it be so incredibly insane to think that an experienced spirit healer, who sees at least Alistair if not Alistair and the PC as serrogate children, could possibly help them with conceiving an heir?  Makes a lot more sense than a fertility charm from Tevinter or that made-up-off-the-cuff potion thing.

She'd probably die in the attempt too - either the initial casting of the spell, or something would go wrong during the birth and she'd have to call on the spirit to save the PC's life. 

In short, why go hunting far afield for snake oil fertility MacGuffins when you have an amazingly skilled spirit healer as your court mage who would do all she could to help you?

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odiedragon wrote...

Okay.  Yes, I've read all of David's posts on the matter.  But I know I for one found it suspicious that Wynne was alive at the end of both of my finished playthroughs, including my human noble as queen one.  It was SO built up that she was going to die, and soon...

It seems plausible to me that she was left alive for a reason.  Would it be so incredibly insane to think that an experienced spirit healer, who sees at least Alistair if not Alistair and the PC as serrogate children, could possibly help them with conceiving an heir?  Makes a lot more sense than a fertility charm from Tevinter or that made-up-off-the-cuff potion thing.

She'd probably die in the attempt too - either the initial casting of the spell, or something would go wrong during the birth and she'd have to call on the spirit to save the PC's life. 

In short, why go hunting far afield for snake oil fertility MacGuffins when you have an amazingly skilled spirit healer as your court mage who would do all she could to help you?


Depends on what she has to sacrifice to un-Golemize Shale.

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If she takes that route. If she stays at court, though...
Don't you either get one outcome or the other, depending on how you play the game?  If she stays at court, she can hardly be in Tevinter at the same time.  Unless she's REALLY super extra magical.

Modifié par odiedragon, 25 décembre 2009 - 03:14 .


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I find it interesting that fangirls are so upset that two Grey wardens aren't supposed to be able to have children together. I mean we all know when something isn't EVER supped to happen its grounds for epic intervention. I mean you could go the magic route or Messianic figure route. This Ferelden lore people, get creative! It would be too boring if Bio-ware rolled over and acquiesced to every fandom whim. It's way more fun to work within constrains for making fanfiction anyway ^_~

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I had to laugh at the poster who was on DG's case about the lore being the way it is 'because he said so' and not taking into account fan's input....



Well hello stupid person (sorry, but that's just what that poster is since they also compared RL fertility issues to fictional dark spawn caused fertility issues (thank you DG for a good laugh)).....



Do you think Tolkein, Goodkind, Anthony, etc would have implimented fan input to the sory line/lore after they had already developed it? I mean, how would they be able to keep 100% of the fan base happy then? Man people....you are in a fantasy world that has certain operating rules (so, how's ignoring gravity going fo you so you can fly?)....either learn to live with them, or go develop your own fanatsy world....*geeze!*



Glad to see that DG weighed in and that all the fangirl 'we got married and SOMEHOW had a wonderful family' is just fangirl fantasy and wouldn't be happening in the DA world.



DA is a DARK fantasy....that means happy ends either don't happen, or are fleeting....want butterflies and unicorns and roses? Go watch a Disney movie...

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David Gaider wrote...

A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion.


That's not the only possible outcome. Since the offspring of a union between elf and human is always human, a political marriage between Alistair and a female PC with Zevran sticking around as the PC's lover, takes care of the heir problem. Although there is a limited chance of conception Zevran and the Queen would likely practice a lot ^_^ 

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The thing it is a fact two Wardens can't have a child due to the taint it is also stated in game, I really don't understand how people did not know and was surprised. I think the way i started topic sounded shallow but sorry all I was stating it's more logical if Alistair marries Anora due to the fact he is expected to have a child. The Warden should just do the job they was meant to being killing the demon and focus on being a Warden :).
To be honest I did not expect such a big discussion and some of  the responses from fan girls it all good tho. 

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It never really bothered me one way or the other. There are so many ending possibilities and the fact that we don't know (at least I don't) if Alistair and the other companion's stories are done. Would I like to see this 'old god' baby in the future? Not especially. I cringe everytime I choose it during a play through but I'd buy the game anyway because I love the story. I went through believing just as Alistair does that it's not impossible. Who's to say that if the original character's stories continue, that it doesn't come up, like Mr. Gaider mentioned. Example: The next game takes place four years down the road and there's my character sitting next to hubby Alistair who looks all concerned. No children after four years and some desicions will have to be made as to what to do. Finally allow the friggin mistress *curses* or end the marriage? I'd have to end it but I have a personally deep, deep seated hatred for sharing/cheating. xD Been burned too many times. Lol



For all of those who say the lack of children kinda ruins the whole game marriage, imagine running off to Wynne in tears and begging her for help. She seems darn smart and might know where to find one of those sperm catching medallions, if her magic can't help on it's own. And hopefully it has a much prettier name. Lol




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Alistairschica wrote...

For all of those who say the lack of children kinda ruins the whole game marriage, imagine running off to Wynne in tears and begging her for help. She seems darn smart and might know where to find one of those sperm catching medallions, if her magic can't help on it's own. And hopefully it has a much prettier name. Lol

Totally.  Wynne would do anything for my Queen Cousland PC.

Don't forget Avernus either... he's the Taint Master after all.  Though, that'd be an awkward conversation, I'm sure!

QC: So, Avernus, how's that research going?
Av: Not very well, thanks to a certain Commander of the Grey telling me I have to research "ethically"
QC: Yeah, sorry, oh wait, no I'm not.
Av: Did you need something?
QC: Is there anything you've found in your research that could neutralize the taint for long enough so that a Grey Warden could conceive a child?
Av: ...it's never really come up, no.  It's kind of outside what most would consider to a be typical Grey Warden interest.
QC: Yeah, well, Grey Wardens have never lead a patralineal monarchy before.
Av: And you wonder why we typically encourage neutrality in such matters.  It avoids such problems quite handily. 
QC: You're one to talk.
Av: And we all know how well those events went.
QC: I don't intend to summon any demons.  Though I don't doubt that any child of Alistair and mine will be... spirited.
Av: So, if I were to agree to this madness... what would be my reward?
QC: Name your price.
Av: Release me from the restrictions you placed on me.  Allow me to continue my research unbound by your short-sighted "ethics".  Send me tainted test subjects, I don't care from where.  Recruits who offend your regal sensibilites, criminals you force to submit to the Joining and survive, I care not.
QC: ...
Av: The choice is yours... Your Majesty.

Not that I've thought about this or anything. :whistle:

Modifié par odiedragon, 20 mars 2010 - 04:26 .


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Lol, sadly I haven't played any of the DLC if that is what you are referring to. I only have a USB modem with limited MB per month. Taking my PS3 to a friends house tomorrow to see if I can't get them though. That sounds like a wonderful plan and no you can't tell you've put any thought into it at all. I think your secret is safe. Alistair is so...aloof bless his heart, he'll probably never know either. But you will have to answer to the Maker some day. I'm assuming. >.> XD Alistair would be worth a little damnation in my book. lol

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It's not blood magic if blood is just a component in the spell, right? I mean, the Circle has the phylacteries and no one even blinks...
So if Avernus needs some vials of the PCs blood to make a potion, I see nothing wrong with that. Do you? ;)

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I'm with Captain Cosmos, lol, that was the most interesting take on the whole thing I've seen yet!



I mean who doesn't love rubbing salves on neither regions, that and all the talk about brood mother's multiple "pillows"....when I'm sad I come here and leave feeling, well feeling dirty...

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odiedragon wrote...

It's not blood magic if blood is just a component in the spell, right? I mean, the Circle has the phylacteries and no one even blinks...
So if Avernus needs some vials of the PCs blood to make a potion, I see nothing wrong with that. Do you? ;)



Well, when you put it that way..lol    And using people who are going to be hanged/tortured/die of darkspawn taint is the perfect way to recycle.  Good for the environment and the womb if it works.  But would it be a good idea to just trust the potion right away?  I mean, what if you grow a beard like Duncan's or morph into a broodmother.  Although Alistair might not have a problem (ok yes he would) with all the extra boobs, the substantial weight gain (water weight? lol)  might give him pause.  Just saying.  Trying to figure this out with you so I can have the option too.  XD

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Well true, the whole sacrificing people would kinda damn you I suppose. But that's what makes the choice so interesting! ;)

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>>LynxAQ wrote...

I must be honest tho - your dictatorous (such a word?) approach to the lore is pretty disconcerting. I have never seen a company in all my many gaming years take such an approach on the lore "This is the game lore and this is how it will be because I said so". Rather bad way to develope lore with the community who love the game tbh.<<



How should they approach game lore? "Game lore is anything you want it to be and the history we made for our world is entirely subject to your approval"? That line of thought is entirely ridiculous. When a storyteller of any sort creates a world he builds certain truths into that world - truths which are not subject to the customer's approval. In the same way you can't argue setting lore with the writer of a novel, you can't argue it with the writer of a story ... he knows far better than you what can and will be possible in the span of the story.


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XOGHunter246 wrote...

The thing it is a fact two Wardens can't have a child due to the taint it is also stated in game, I really don't understand how people did not know and was surprised. I think the way i started topic sounded shallow but sorry all I was stating it's more logical if Alistair marries Anora due to the fact he is expected to have a child. 


Except that it also comes up, in game, that Anora is barren. She hadn't managed to produce an heir for Cailan. Perhaps the heir will be the godchild? LOL