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[Behindyounow]

So basically this thread has devolved into angry Alistair fangirls whining because they cant have their wimpy happy ending?

[SheilaD67]

LynxAQ wrote...

The taint is not passed to the children of the grey wardens. The taint is not hereditary. Levi Dryden is living proof of that.

I think if you tried every night for 10 years to have a baby, you would end up pregnant, unless you had some real medical / physical reason you couldnt have children, but then that has nothing to do with the taint.

Actually, Sophia had progeny prior to her becoming a warden.  So, he doesn't really prove anything.

Morrigan offers to mother a tainted child and she needs to bed a Warden who hasn't been one for long (which is why she asks for Alistair or you, instead of Roirdan).  The taint can be passed along, but apparently only in the beginning stage of Warden-hood?

[contown]

Why is this a problem? Kids suck.

[Addai]

Behindyounow wrote...

So basically this thread has devolved into angry Alistair fangirls whining because they cant have their wimpy happy ending?

It's actually an ancient thread necro'ed for the purpose of allowing trolls to make inane comments.  Happy day for you.  

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

So basically this thread has devolved into angry Alistair fangirls whining because they cant have their wimpy happy ending?

It's actually an ancient thread necro'ed for the purpose of allowing trolls to make inane comments.  Happy day for you.  

Hmmm, it looks as though I need a thumbnail of Alistair kissing a beautiful dwarf for the "other" trolls.

[Alikain]

The whole Grey Warden thing reminds me of the children of bhaal in baldur’s gate. Where all the children have the taint in them. The fact that two grey wardens can’t not have children makes me wonder. All we know is that most people who join the Grey Warden have kids before they became wardens and there is no proof what so ever that both Grey Warden can have kids. I know David Gaider said “they can have children but not with another Grey Warden” but that just it why can’t they. If a male warden can make a non- female person conceive and same as the female warden also conceiving from no – male person why can both warden have a child.

[vegasbilly]

LynxAQ wrote...

The taint is not passed to the children of the grey wardens. The taint is not hereditary. Levi Dryden is living proof of that.

I think if you tried every night for 10 years to have a baby, you would end up pregnant, unless you had some real medical / physical reason you couldnt have children, but then that has nothing to do with the taint.

Not true. If you get Alistair mad in the OC, and he renounces his bloodline and Anora is queen. There is a quest that is given by Morrigan to conceive a child by being fertilized from Loghain. Not sure if you knew that. Of course, Morrigan plans to raise that child in seclusion and so forth, but the taint is the only reson she wants the baby because the soul of the Archdemon will transfer into that baby. That's how you keep from anyone having to die to defeat the Archdemon. You may have already known this though, sorry if you did. 

[ejoslin]

For Morrigan to get a baby WITH taint, she had to perform a magic ritual. And it can be Loghain, a male PC, or Alistair who makes that baby.

[Addai]

vegasbilly wrote...

Not true. If you get Alistair mad in the OC, and he renounces his bloodline and Anora is queen. There is a quest that is given by Morrigan to conceive a child by being fertilized from Loghain. Not sure if you knew that. Of course, Morrigan plans to raise that child in seclusion and so forth, but the taint is the only reson she wants the baby because the soul of the Archdemon will transfer into that baby. That's how you keep from anyone having to die to defeat the Archdemon. You may have already known this though, sorry if you did. 

Not sure what Alistair renouncing the throne has to do with anything, but Morrigan's ritual doesn't factor in.  It's established by the novels that Warden babies do not carry the taint.  Morrigan must have manipulated the conception in order to get some of the taint for her own purposes.

Gaider has said that 2 GWs cannot have children by natural means.  It doesn't matter how many times you do the deed with Alistair, either you have to find a blood magic solution or some other "unnatural" means or it ain't happenin'.  Of course, the latter is just what my Warden Queen is planning to try to do.  Keep hope alive! 

Modifié par Addai67, 20 mars 2010 - 09:33 .

[XOGHunter246]

Seeing as morrigan is a mage there always bloodmagic that can help so i guess as long as you are a mage it possible. Also It a fact of some people that are unable to accept the facts I would rather be killing Darkspawn anyway :/.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 20 mars 2010 - 09:53 .

[Behindyounow]

Addai67 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

So basically this thread has devolved into angry Alistair fangirls whining because they cant have their wimpy happy ending?

It's actually an ancient thread necro'ed for the purpose of allowing trolls to make inane comments.  Happy day for you.  

Happy day indeed. Biowares probably going to make the crappy dark ritual canon to appease all you 'happy ending' wusses, so I at least deserve a few laughs before then.

[ejoslin]

Behindyounow wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

So basically this thread has devolved into angry Alistair fangirls whining because they cant have their wimpy happy ending?

It's actually an ancient thread necro'ed for the purpose of allowing trolls to make inane comments.  Happy day for you.  

Happy day indeed. Biowares probably going to make the crappy dark ritual canon to appease all you 'happy ending' wusses, so I at least deserve a few laughs before then.

???  I'm not sure I understand you.  You think people are upset by you?  Some trolls are funny.  Some really do upset people. Most are meh.  I won't say which you are, but I don't see anyone laughing, nor anyone screaming so... draw your own conclusions.  I CAN give you some trolling lessons if you'd like -- I'm pretty good at getting both reactions when I chose to do so.

Lesson 1: Don't troll on necroposts.  People have moved on.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 mars 2010 - 10:53 .

[ejoslin]

vegasbilly wrote...

Not true. If you get Alistair mad in the OC, and he renounces his bloodline and Anora is queen. There is a quest that is given by Morrigan to conceive a child by being fertilized from Loghain. Not sure if you knew that. Of course, Morrigan plans to raise that child in seclusion and so forth, but the taint is the only reson she wants the baby because the soul of the Archdemon will transfer into that baby. That's how you keep from anyone having to die to defeat the Archdemon. You may have already known this though, sorry if you did. 

Actually, if you get Alistair mad, you get a lovely hate speech from him which is completely worth hearing at least once. He'll still become king if you make him do so -- he only renounces his claim if you make Anora solo queen and tell her not to execute him.

[Jabraham002]

My male, human noble, gray warden, PC can't have a baby with Alistair either... but I'm not upset...

maybe I'm missing something?

[XOGHunter246]

Jabraham002 wrote...
maybe I'm missing something?

The baby, seems like it going round in circles here 

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 21 mars 2010 - 04:49 .

[Behindyounow]

ejoslin wrote...

???  I'm not sure I understand you.  You think people are upset by you?  Some trolls are funny.  Some really do upset people. Most are meh.  I won't say which you are, but I don't see anyone laughing, nor anyone screaming so... draw your own conclusions.  I CAN give you some trolling lessons if you'd like -- I'm pretty good at getting both reactions when I chose to do so.

Lesson 1: Don't troll on necroposts.  People have moved on.

Its quite simple.

• Alistair has the most fans.
• Most people who romance Alistair wanted a happy ending.
• The only way to get that is to do the dark ritual.
• Bioware would try to appease the larger fanbase by making the Dark ritual ending canon.
• I hate Morrigan, and seeing more of her in future sequels wouldn't be cool.

[oyzar]

Would andrastes sacred ashes somehow be able to help the fertility problem?

[errant_knight]

oyzar wrote...

Would andrastes sacred ashes somehow be able to help the fertility problem?

Interesting idea.... Do the ashes disappear if you kill the dragon, too, or just if you don't? That might be an indicator.

[LadyDamodred]

They do not disappear if you kill the dragon.  But I don't know if the taint is susceptible to a cure.  It's not a sickness, exactly.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 08 avril 2010 - 11:42 .

[Suron]

sorry Gaider but that is a bunch of crap.



taint...natural problem..whatever...if it's possible for a non-warden and a warden to have kids (regardless how small) then it MUST be possible for two wardens to have children..the chances will just be exponentially LESS then the non-warden/warden chance...



and it being the darkspawn taint is a poor excuse right along the same intelligence and credibility as "a wizard did it"



I'm not insulting your intelligence believe it or not I'm trying to make a point...



if a warden can't have a kid they can't have a kid...whether it's two wardens or whatever mix/match of non-warden/warden you want....if a non-warden/warden have a tiny chance...then a warden/warden MUST have, at least a miniscule, chance.



And there's no nice way to say it but if you're going to stick to the "the darkspawn taint makes it so" you may as well just say a wizard did it...it's idiotic, makes no sense, is a cop-out, and a poor excuse for bad writing (and yes I'm a big fan of your writing...until this at least.)



so one last time..if a non-warden/warden have a very small chance of having a baby then two wardens MUST have a chance as well...even if it's 1 in infinity-plus-1...the chance is there.

[errant_knight]

LadyDamodred wrote...

They do not disappear if you kill the dragon.  But I don't know if the taint is susceptible to a cure.  It's not a sickness, exactly.

True, more like a slow metamorphosis.....

[LadyDamodred]

errant_knight wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

They do not disappear if you kill the dragon.  But I don't know if the taint is susceptible to a cure.  It's not a sickness, exactly.

True, more like a slow metamorphosis.....

Yes, you are changing your very nature, becoming something else.  Even though it eventually kills you, I don't see it as something curable.

@ Suron:  I look at it as being like a defective gene.  A child could be conceived and be viable with 1 bad gene.  But if it receives two bad genes, the baby wouldn't be viable.  The other way to solve that problem is to just RP a solution. 

[Cauter]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Average mediaval age is 20-30 because child death pulls the average down. People in the medieval ages got almost as old as we do now, if they survived childhood.

no, we have advances in medical care that allow us to live past 100, average people back then live to 60, if they were lucky

[Cauter]

ok, avernus had learned to extend his live through study of his taint, you were then able to drink his results, if you chose to drink it, thus didnt your life get extended aswell?

[Herr Uhl]

Cauter wrote...

ok, avernus had learned to extend his live through study of his taint, you were then able to drink his results, if you chose to drink it, thus didnt your life get extended aswell?

No, no no. He prolonged his life with some demon-voodoo. You drink the anti-demon blood magic (ergo, magic that demons do not know of) potion that he devised to use against Sophia Dryden. No life-extension for you.