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[ReubenLiew]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

Right right, of course. I just thought... nevermind then X3

I
know, but I'm trying to see life as a male on the bright side. Lucky
Ali, getting it on with Anora every night while I'm out in a cold swamp
with Zevran and Oghren. *grumbles*

Nobody said it had to be cold... not with Zevran in camp anyway.
Remember an elf doesn't count.

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

So... chasing a woman through forests, thick swamps, beasts and worse with no hope of finding her or the child is somewhat better than having hot romps through the royal bedchamber every night in a scientific experiment to disproof the allegation that Grey Wardens cannot have babies with each other?

Women are cruel, cruel creatures.

Actually, isn't it one of the ending that you 'sort of' find her, with the ring. Like you feel her or something?

And one of the game devs just told us it wasn't happening for two grey wardens, so their is no experimenting involved. Just two barren people going at it. Would be good for modern times but not so for a king and queen.

You feel her feeling something about you. It's about as good as a leter describing a dry hump, and you can't read. Somehow I still fail to see how this is better than being able to stay, sleep, and talk with the man you love everyday until the day you both die.

[Taleroth]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

And one of the game devs just told us it wasn't happening for two grey wardens, so their is no experimenting involved. Just two barren people going at it. Would be good for modern times but not so for a king and queen.

David said impossible. The buck stops here, end, nada, nothing. His word overrides Alistair's.

I'm a big believer in science, in empiricism.  We should run some tests just to be sure.  Be rigorous.

[XOGHunter246]

well i guess ladies you can move on to zevran now he might be able to have a child with you  as he not a warden:lol:

[syllogi]

eschilde wrote...
But, what about continuing the Theirin line >.> if you don't want to have kids, don't become Queen, it'll result in something bad when Alistair dies. If you want to take on those responsibilities, part of it is having kids :|

I personally feel that the "best" Alistair-romance ending is going off with him to be a Grey Warden, but if the PC is going to marry Alistair, she's already warned that it's not very likely that there will be an heir.  And with David Gaider's post in this thread, I think it's confirmed that "unlikely" means "not gonna happen."  My point is just that it's nice when books or movies acknowledge that it's okay not to have kids, and it doesn't take away from the completeness of the relationship in question.

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

Right right, of course. I just thought... nevermind then X3

I know, but I'm trying to see life as a male on the bright side. Lucky
Ali, getting it on with Anora every night while I'm out in a cold swamp
with Zevran and Oghren. *grumbles*

Nobody said it had to be cold... not with Zevran in camp anyway.
Remember an elf doesn't count.

I need him as a wingman when we find the occasional tavern. And it is not cold enough for that. Nothing wrong with the male part, but the elf part and his alledged tattoos in the bathing suit area creeps me out.

[David Gaider]

Demeira wrote...
Well, there goes my fairy tale!  I was hoping for a loophole somewhere that would make my fanfiction plausible.  I had this all planned out that Alistair and Orlaine (my PC) would have twins because of some ancient Tevinter fertility charms given to them by some sorceress out of Orlais and somehow the act of having these children born of two Wardens would somehow give Alistair and Orlaine an additional 20 years and would somehow dilute the taint.  And these twins would start bloodlines that would play into the next two Blights.  Looks like that idea is scrapped...

Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story.

[XOGHunter246]

so Alistair,PC or loghain can have kids with morrigan i bet you ladies envy her lol

[nos_astra]

Um, with the having an heir thing put like this it's pretty pointless to make Alistair king at all. And Anora is no solid choice on that particular matter either.

Two Wardens as king and queen now have no chance to have a legitimate heir to carry on the Therein bloodline. Super. Marry Alistair to Anora and chances are better but still not that good - especially considering that an heir should be male and there shouldn't be only one.

Anora was married to Cailan for 5 years and there was no heir. Let's hope then that was not Anoras fault. Fereldens best chance in preventing future trouble.

So the fuss about the Therein bloodline is futile since it is more likely to end anyway. Now or with Alistair heading for the Deep Roads in 30 years is no biggie then, right?

Modifié par klarabella, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:44 .

[ReubenLiew]

Oh nice save Gaider! Restore their faith a little, make them want a little more eh?

I salute your devious cunning ser!

[AntiChri5]

eschilde wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion.

WHAT?! When was that decided? I thought it was just extremely unlikely, not impossible >.> Alistair never says it's impossible, only unheard of, in game :S but I guess if the dev is saying it, that crushes my hope that demonbaby will have a sibling.

Not so! Theres always Avernus! A nice little get out of jail free card for the devs if they decide to change the taint!

[eschilde]

TeenZombie wrote...

eschilde wrote...
But, what about continuing the Theirin line >.> if you don't want to have kids, don't become Queen, it'll result in something bad when Alistair dies. If you want to take on those responsibilities, part of it is having kids :|

I personally feel that the "best" Alistair-romance ending is going off with him to be a Grey Warden, but if the PC is going to marry Alistair, she's already warned that it's not very likely that there will be an heir.  And with David Gaider's post in this thread, I think it's confirmed that "unlikely" means "not gonna happen."  My point is just that it's nice when books or movies acknowledge that it's okay not to have kids, and it doesn't take away from the completeness of the relationship in question.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say having kids is the only happy ending, either. I'm just saying, knowing you can't have kids is not the same thing as being told it's pretty unlikely, and if my human noble character knew she absolutely couldn't have kids with Alistair she would have married him to Anora for the good of the realm, like a good Cousland >.>

[ReubenLiew]

Herr Uhl wrote...

I need him as a wingman when we find the occasional tavern. And it is not cold enough for that. Nothing wrong with the male part, but the elf part and his alledged tattoos in the bathing suit area creeps me out.

Tis' not cold enough in your tent?

[pc6311]

We are taking about a game with dragons and magic...anything is possible...
Remember Fiona...

Modifié par pc6311, 16 décembre 2009 - 06:46 .

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

I need him as a wingman when we find the occasional tavern. And it is not cold enough for that. Nothing wrong with the male part, but the elf part and his alledged tattoos in the bathing suit area creeps me out.

Tis' not cold enough in your tent?

I spoon with Oghren, so there is no problem yet. His hairy buttox reassures me that it's all going to be alright.

No funny business though.

[syllogi]

klarabella wrote...

Um, with the having heir thing put like this it's pretty pointless to make Alistair king at all. And Anora is no solid choice on that particular matter either.

Two Wardens as king and queen now have no chance to have a legitimate heir to carry on the Therein bloodline. Super. Marry Alistair to Anora and chances are better but still not that good - especially considering that an heir should be male and there shouldn't be only one.

Anora was married to Cailan for 5 years and there was no heir. Let's hope then that was not Anoras fault. Fereldens best chance in preventing future trouble.

So the fuss about the Therein bloodline is futile since it is more likely to end anyway. Now or with Alistair heading for the Deep Roads in 30 years is no biggie then, right?

Well, if your female PC married Alistair, then there is definitely an Old-God baby somewhere who could be heir.  And there is the possible heir mentioned in The Calling, and the speculation about what "favor" Maric performed for Flemeth when he was alone with her all those years ago...

Beyond those options, any future children of Arl Eamon, Bann Teagan, or even Fergus Cousland would be suitable heirs, if the nobles were amenable.  It would mean the end of the Theirin line, but realistically, those things happen.  Look at the royal lineage of the Kings of England.

Also, the heir doesn't have to be male.  Maric's mother was the Theirin heir before him.

[Thiefy]

You feel her feeling something about you. It's about as good as a leter describing a dry hump, and you can't read.

Somehow I still fail to see how this is better than being able to stay, sleep, and talk with the man you love everyday until the day you both die.

Well I don't know, if I were a man and had  I'd romance Morrigan I for sure would run through the fade, the black city, and route every dark spawn in the deep roads and back to find her. And I would, because I am that stubborn. Or I'd make my pc that stubborn. And afterwards he would find a way so that they could all be happy, whether that's wandering around, settling in a hut in a deep forest, playing polical intrigue in Orlesian courts, protecting them from whatever it is Morrigan is fleeing from or whatever. It's still a possibility.

I really dont understand why some people can't see why girls would be upset over this though. There is now *no* possibility to be able to bear a child for the man they love.

[nos_astra]

eschilde wrote...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say having kids is the only happy ending, either. I'm just saying, knowing you can't have kids is not the same thing as being told it's pretty unlikely, and if my human noble character knew she absolutely couldn't have kids with Alistair she would have married him to Anora for the good of the realm, like a good Cousland >.>

Same here. I chose the "I'll rule beside him" only assuming that "next to impossible" does indeed mean "very very unlikely but not impossible". Else the sweet Lady Cousland - Hero to the People  of Ferelden - would've spared him from this burden and made Anora Queen on her own.

[Laurelinde]

I think there is maybe a little bit of a 'meta-knowledge' or dramatic irony issue here. We as players know that there is no chance of two Wardens conceiving because the 'God' of DA:O (Gaider) has come and imparted this knowledge to us. Our PCs, however do not know this. Certainly when I ended the game as Queen/Princess-Consort, as far as my PC was aware it would be very difficult and unlikely that she and Alistair would have children, but they hadn't had any ultimate last word that it was impossible, either - the Maker didn't come down and write it on the wall. So they had to use their judgement as to what was the best they could do in the situation, and for me that felt like putting Alistair on the throne (since he was less self-interested and aggrandizing than Anora, hadn't supported slavery, etc., and there didn't seem to be anyone else stepping up to the plate), and having me with him (since he was stronger with me than without me.)



If they had the same knowledge we do, or could see the future, maybe their choices would be different, but from an RP perspective what is 'right' for us may not be what is 'right' for our PCs.

[ReubenLiew]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

I need him as a wingman when we find the occasional tavern. And it is not cold enough for that. Nothing wrong with the male part, but the elf part and his alledged tattoos in the bathing suit area creeps me out.

Tis' not cold enough in your tent?

I spoon with Oghren, so there is no problem yet. His hairy buttox reassures me that it's all going to be alright.

No funny business though.

I have to admit, that beard does do a good job of warming the tenders...

[XOGHunter246]

heres how i see how DAO is suppose be end well two ways either

1) Anora becomes queen you and Alistair run off together and build wardens meaning a child is no issue here other than Alistair's demon child issue.

2) Alistair and anora marry making it more likely for them to have a child and you top your self to achdemon or let loghain do it

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 16 décembre 2009 - 06:51 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I find the prospect of NOT breeding to be one of the many benefits of hooking up with Alistair. I rather hate kids.



Alistair would be out of luck marrying Anora as well, since rumor has it, and evidence suggests, she is probably sterile as well. Looks like Morrigan was his only chance, really.

[TheLadyJess]

Then why even put a female human noble Warden up as a potential spouse for Alistair if you make him king at all? It seems that female Wardens are getting shafted (and not the good kind) in the grand scheme of things. Are there any famous female Wardens in history (named in Codex) or any female Wardens that have been in love with other Wardens?



Also, if you are a Female Human Noble, pretty much your entire family line ends (presumably if Fergus never remarries and has more children), thus bye bye Couslands, nice to know ya!

[nos_astra]

TeenZombie wrote...
Also, the heir doesn't have to be male.  Maric's mother was the Theirin heir before him.

Yes, of course. But still males would be preferred, wouldn't they?

Modifié par klarabella, 16 décembre 2009 - 06:51 .

[ReubenLiew]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

You feel her feeling something about you. It's about as good as a leter describing a dry hump, and you can't read.

Somehow I still fail to see how this is better than being able to stay, sleep, and talk with the man you love everyday until the day you both die.

Well I don't know, if I were a man and had  I'd romance Morrigan I for sure would run through the fade, the black city, and route every dark spawn in the deep roads and back to find her. And I would, because I am that stubborn. Or I'd make my pc that stubborn. And afterwards he would find a way so that they could all be happy, whether that's wandering around, settling in a hut in a deep forest, playing polical intrigue in Orlesian courts, protecting them from whatever it is Morrigan is fleeing from or whatever. It's still a possibility.

I really dont understand why some people can't see why girls would be upset over this though. There is now *no* possibility to be able to bear a child for the man they love.

Now now, make NO mistake I can absolutely understand why you'd be upset over it.
But it is most definitely not worse than having to runthrough half of thedas after that sultry bird that wot took yar babies.

[XOGHunter246]

apparently our nobility doesn't even matter only Alistair's