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[DazenCobalt17]

someone earlier said it best: Me1 and Me2(Especially 2) left me begging for more after I was done. Me3 is a festering wound that I'm still trying to close up.

[Mobius-Silent]

VictorianTrash wrote...

I don't really understand the point either. Even if they utilize the DLC to "expand" on the story-line, we'll still likely wind up with more convoluted, lore-conflicting, and vexingly ambiguous explanations like we receive with the Catalyst in the EC. All the Catalyst really says is, "the Reapers are old and built by a race you don't know for some purpose, but I won't tell you because we're running out of and time; oh, and I did something to them at some point." I find it hard to believe that Bioware will handle it any differently in the DLC installments.

I'll maintain my reservations, however. Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Well given the recent DLC leak is _about_ the race that created the Reapers and the Catalyst, you may be pleasantly surprised.

That said I'm not giving Bioware any more money. The ending was _that_ bad

[Rhayak]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Because it's something fun.

Again, NONE of the previous DLC did anything significant besides cameos and war assets. There was also NOTHING that said LotSB or Arrival or Overlord would impact the ending or do anything in ME3, but you bought those anyway too.

I bought them (and played them with each of my six Mass 2 chars) because i was sure they would.

Hell, i wanted to complete every single bit of Mass 2 after i saw that tip in the loading screen, that warned about decisions carrying on to the 3rd....

[Mobius-Silent]

2Shepards wrote...
hehe its a theory that popped into my head when the Levi Reaper stuff was leaked.  Its filmsy. ButMost of us are saying why would buy the rogue reaper DLC when it will up my war assets but have no effect on the ending.  Well it just might.   I mean that is a piece of story that is missing, a rogue reaper, think about that.So to save their bums in the long run, Bioware can introduce this character, plot, war asset, and possible ending changes, because of one Reaper.Because who in their right minds at Bioware would think we would buy DLC that will have no effect on the endings.Which is why I call it the Breacdcrumb theory.  Bioware is dropping a breadcrumb trail to salvage it rep and its relationship with its fans.

2Shepards wrote...
I won't purchase it unless it effects the outcome in some way, I mean come on it would be insane for that final horrible conversation with the Starbrat and he just freaking ignores the large Reaper sitting outside the window watching Shepard


If Bioware wants to introduce a rogue Reaper then they are introducing into cannon that Reaper can have pure independent thoght aside from the mission they have to do,  so if all Reapers or maybe even 1/3 of the Reaper fleet can be brought around hello conventional victory odds.

Either way its has to alter the ending at least abit.  Utterly ridiculous if it does not.

It's not a rogue Reaper, it's the last Leviathan, the "Rogue Reaper" lines are from earlier in the DLC before you meet Leviathan, when you are just speculating about what it is.

The DLC _currently_ just add's a few lines about Leviathans (And you get to find out Harbinger's real name) that's it

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:18 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

crimzontearz wrote...PanzerGr3nadier wrote...JackumsD wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...1. More mass effect.2. More backstory on reapers.3. More time with the characters.4. More interesting plotlinesThis.I dont get it... Whining about new dlc content is like whining about upcoming Hobbit movie... We all know what will happen at the end of Lotr.I'm buying it.

you are on an Android tablet/smartphone are you?also, see the end of LorR is so good you ACTUALLY want to read/watch it again.....also Tolkien according to Casey and Mac has no artistic integrity

Yup, I'm writing this with my galaxy ace.





Perhaps Lotr was a bad example but you know what I mean. Ending was a head on collision with brickwall but that doesnt mean that the whole series and its "magic" was BS.... Besides, we can all make our own headcanon and forget the artistic inegrity BS that was given to us.

[Ridwan]

Krunjar wrote...

You know this is kinda like saying. I know I am gonna die one day so I might as well jump out of a window.

You gotta be ****ting me! That's your comparison? And some of the posters even agree with it?

Wow.

[Ridwan]

I'm seeing more and more BS comments about comparing this to real life. Really guys? I mean come on.

One is a video game, that was the third in the series, with a craptastic ending that left many of us pissed off since, we expected so much more and got a turd. So why buy a DLC, when we all know that the galaxy is screwed any way? (Well partly screwed, the EC did retcon the relays getting destroyed).

And you're comparing this to real life? It's A PRODUCT! It's not alive, it's entertainment. And it was disappointing to many consumers. Dear God. "Well you might as well jump out of a window cause you know you're gonna die anyway" Words can't express how dumb that argument is.

[DarklightZERO]

The problem of DLC is that it is sending the message that breaking pieces off a game and selling them back to the customers is a valid strategy.

[The Twilight God]

Question
 
Would you have bought ME2 DLC if every squad mate died at preset locations regardless of anything you did throughout your ME2 playthrough?

And if your options, dictated to you by TIM (or Harbinger), were:

A. To continue build the reaper in the interests of science so TIM could use it as a weapon against the reapers and blueprint to make more. (Shepard becomes indoctrinated)
B. Keep the base so that humanity could acquire tech to take over all other species and form a unified prothean-like mega-society to face the reapers united.
C. Destroy the base (Shepard dies), but the shockwave sends a pulse back through the omega-4 relay obliterating all on Omega.

Of course you don't get to argue against these outcomes. You just nod and smile at them all like a drooling idiot.

Would ME2 DLC be welcomed knowing how it ends.

[taggen86]

i got lots of reasons to buy new dlc. New story threads, new gameplay, new areas to explore etc. Above all I play ME for the atmosphere and love spending time in new areas of the galaxy

Modifié par taggen86, 11 juillet 2012 - 02:00 .

[Daiyus]

taggen86 wrote...

i got lots of reasons to buy new dlc. New story threads, new gameplay, new areas to explore etc. Above all I play ME for the atmosphere and love spending time in new areas of the galaxy

Very well put. I still love playing the story. There's so much more to Mass Effect than the fifteen minutes at the end. Why people can't seem to see past that is beyond me....

[Kel Riever]

I don't know...maybe because the endings ruin the entire story, which is the reason most people played the ME series?  The vast majority of gamers are not wrong.

Mobius-Silent wrote...

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That said I'm not giving Bioware any more money. The ending was _that_ bad

ayup.

[69_Gio_69]

Difference with the other dlc's is that the story is now over. When the other dlc's came out, there was a chance it would effect the main story in a way. Now the dlc just feels like filler to me.

[VinWizzy]

If anything, I want the DLC to be more than one mission and some war assets. If so then let it be long like the DLC in Fallout 3 and Skyrim.

[Femlob]

Daiyus wrote...

taggen86 wrote...

i got lots of reasons to buy new dlc. New story threads, new gameplay, new areas to explore etc. Above all I play ME for the atmosphere and love spending time in new areas of the galaxy

Very well put. I still love playing the story. There's so much more to Mass Effect than the fifteen minutes at the end. Why people can't seem to see past that is beyond me....

Because people don't want to see past it. Because they don't want to let BioWare off the hook.

[LadyMarisa]

I love (not really, it's sarcasm) how there are such polar opposites we have to ready our pitchforks and torches to purify the other side...

If you love the story even with the endings as they stand, awesome. Purchase the DLC. But good lord will people stop treating us (being people who did not like them and see no point in buying DLC) like idiots? And vice versa please. If your opinion is valid (and I don't know anyone who'd claim theirs wasn't) then so is mine.

For myself, no it's not worth it. I won't be purchasing DLC for this game. I am unsatisfied with the endings even post EC and that colors my gameplay experience. Yes, I bought LOTSB etc but that was *before* I knew how the story ended. Of course I wanted more Mass Effect, more lore, etc, etc. At the time though, I had no idea I was going to end up with the Startard and everything *my* Shep was working for thrown out the window (Please notice I used my and not Shepard in general, I don't need to be lectured on what the goals of the game were). Now, I've seen the destination, I don't like it, so DLC that doesn't change the endings (I don't expect Bioware to change it, I've cut my losses) is pointless to me.

[Arctican]

LadyMarisa wrote...

I love (not really, it's sarcasm) how there are such polar opposites we have to ready our pitchforks and torches to purify the other side...

If you love the story even with the endings as they stand, awesome. Purchase the DLC. But good lord will people stop treating us (being people who did not like them and see no point in buying DLC) like idiots? And vice versa please. If your opinion is valid (and I don't know anyone who'd claim theirs wasn't) then so is mine.

For myself, no it's not worth it. I won't be purchasing DLC for this game. I am unsatisfied with the endings even post EC and that colors my gameplay experience. Yes, I bought LOTSB etc but that was *before* I knew how the story ended. Of course I wanted more Mass Effect, more lore, etc, etc. At the time though, I had no idea I was going to end up with the Startard and everything *my* Shep was working for thrown out the window (Please notice I used my and not Shepard in general, I don't need to be lectured on what the goals of the game were). Now, I've seen the destination, I don't like it, so DLC that doesn't change the endings (I don't expect Bioware to change it, I've cut my losses) is pointless to me.

Agreed about the opinions. There's no need to attack the opposite views when it's their own personal reasons for buying or not buying a future DLC. 

For me, the ending has no real effect on whether I find the rest of the game enjoyable. The Tuchunka and Rannoch missions were examples of the parts that I immensely enjoyed. If the DLC were anything like them, I would be interested in buying the DLC. Besides, the EC provided the closure that made the ending somewhat tolerable for me even if the ending was a factor.

Furthermore, the past DLC tends to add refreshing aspects of gameplay. Like in LotSB, where you fought a fellow Spectre and that only enemy in the game that could use charge. If you were also a Vanguard, a fun game of tag ensued. Or the part on the exterior of the Shadow Broker ship. Use of environmental hazards were never this hilarious before (eg, enemies getting zapped by the ship's discharge or getting blown off of the ship). If the new DLC could live up to LotSB, then I would definitely consider buying it.

[Kel Riever]

@LadyMarisa: Interesting point of view. For the most part, I will tell you, I find the people who are looking down at others are the few people who actually like the endings. It is sort of like they have "Artistic Integrity Elitism." Or what I'll call pseudo intellectualism. It isn't universal. I've talked to a few people who like the endings, and really, they willingly admit that it is an opinion they have, and not some holy truth I have yet to recognize.

But I can tell you this...I hate the ending and I save all my hate for the people who deserve it. That's the people who wrote it and not the fans.

[Daiyus]

Kel Riever wrote...

I don't know...maybe because the endings ruin the entire story, which is the reason most people played the ME series?  The vast majority of gamers are not wrong.

It's not that I don't accept others opinions, you can like or dislike what you want. I actually understand why most people are dissapointed. Heck, I could follow that path very easily myself. I really do see the logic that's there. My main contrivance is that people seem to need to keep repeating it. It's been said for months now. People who don't like it really should have moved on, or started to just accept that Mass Effect is what it is by now. There's no NEED to keep repeating it, it won't change a thing, and only causes a fracture in the community. I know I'm being highly hypocritical here, but it's just frustrating to keep seeing the same flat points, not even backed by arguments anymore.

I'm seriously hoping the Leviathan DLC expands on how the Reapers work, their structure. Is the Catalyst in complete control, or just give orders? It won't change the A, B, C ending, but it may at least help describe why we got there, and explain why only those choices were available. Even if it does none of the above, it's still going to be good to have more content in which to use squadmates and play more.

The series is still as fun as it used to be. The actual gamplay and subplots are as good as they ever were. I still enjoy talking to Sovereign and Saren, or taking down the Shadow Broker. Recruiting Thane or Liara is just as much fun as it was the first time through. I'm sure I'm going to relish freeing Rannoch and seeing Thessia when I get there again. Sure the ending will be an anti-climax, maybe that's enough to ruin the whole thing for some people?

[Kel Riever]

Well, keep this in mind, at least for me Daiyus.

I JUST finished ME3 for the first time this past Sunday, at 4 am. And I waited for the DLC to do it. And that is because, stupid me, I thought, optimistically, that the DLC would actually make the ending slightly tolerable.

Having experienced it, I can tell you there's no end in sight for how much vitriol I have. If it runs out at some point, fine. But honestly, if people fill these boards forever about how bad the ending is, it still makes perfect sense to me, because that is exactly how bad it was. I'm not going to say you should take on my point of view, but I will tell you that it is exactly that. Good luck to the people responsible for writing that abominable ending, because Hell hath no fury like a scorned gamer....

Tell me THAT isn't true.

[Daiyus]

I'll admit, I'm quite naturally cold-hearted, and can move on from situations very quickly. Maybe the ending were so bad people should still be venting over it. Like I said, I accept people don't like it. That's not a problem for me. I'm just frustrated that I have fight through the venting to get to anything else still. But I guess that's really a personal problem.

[Pitznik]

The point of DLC is DLC itself, if it is good it is worth playing through. Ending doesn't make Tuchanka arc any less awesome for me. It is like saying LotSB isn't worth buying because it doesn't let you add T'Soni to your squad in vanilla ME2, so it "doesn't change anything". It lets you have fun, that's the point.

[DistantUtopia]

You know what, as much as I've been disappointed by ME3, I think I will buy DLC if any of the following conditions are met:

1.) It has NOTHING to do with Shepard. Don't show him, don't mention him, don't even mention any of his squad mates. for me, it's a combination of both the journey and destination and the destination broke Shepard's story for me; no amount of pre-ending DLC will change that given BW has stated they won't change anything. A DLC side story of what happened in other places (for example, can we play a soldier on Palavan? A soldier on the Elcor planet?) would be something I'd likely buy.
2.) If it HAS to do with Shepard or the squad, then it HAS to impact the ending in some way (whether an actual change in how it ends or even some new slides); not some additional dialog with star jar. I can speculate enough of what happened. Don't really need more exposition on the ending.
3.) Reaper's Gone Wild DLC. I'd snap that up in a heartbeat.

[frostajulie]

I liked the EC I now feel like I win even when I lose, since the ending will never be what I want it to be I have to decide whether the emotional satisfaction is enough for me. It is. However I really think ME3 is lacking when it comes to hub worlds and side missions that feel like they matter and ME2 squadmates interaction. So I will buy all the DLC that I can that deals with these issues. I want a game that is as equal as I can get in terms of immersion and enjoyment as ME2.

[Kamfrenchie]

Part of the problem imo is that Bioware is still content in its "artistic integrity" and has made no excuse nor given any satisfying explanations on the whole deal.

Some people talked about Deus ex HR that also had a smaller complain storm because of the imperative bosses and whatnot. Then the devs apologized and recognized some of their faults, and how they had made a mystake there. Then the whole thing calmed down fairly quickly.

I'm not sure it's much of a valid example, but sword of the stars 2 had a horrible beginning, as they pretty much sold an alpha copy of the game. Devs did their mea culpa, explained how it happened and promised to patch the game into working condition, which they apparently did or are still doing.

So far afaik, Bioware hasn't done anything like that. They just promised and didn't deliver, but didn't apologize or anything afaik.

I think that's part of the reason