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[Baldrick67]

Learn more about the reapers ?

No point

If you picked control you know EVERYTHING about them.

If you picked synthesis they are just like you and and are best buddies. Who cares why they killed trillions of sentients and commited genocide thousands upon thousands of times.

If you picked destroy you don't care as dead reapers won the war not understanding them.

If you refused to pick, you and every other person from an advanced civilization is dead.

[DistantUtopia]

remed wrote...

I agree that a cut and dry simple DLC would be a hard sell, especially for those fans who continue to wish for more closure, more resolution, more answers, or a happier, more complete ending to the Mass Effect series and find none in simple straightforward  DLCs that will only continue to drive home the point that no matter what happens in the DLCs, none of it will matter in the end or would make a difference to the endings you get.
 
(snip)

I like this.  Some of your suggestions sound really good and just may restore my faith in BW.

[DistantUtopia]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Part of the problem imo is that Bioware is still content in its "artistic integrity" and has made no excuse nor given any satisfying explanations on the whole deal.

Some people talked about Deus ex HR that also had a smaller complain storm because of the imperative bosses and whatnot. Then the devs apologized and recognized some of their faults, and how they had made a mystake there. Then the whole thing calmed down fairly quickly.

I'm not sure it's much of a valid example, but sword of the stars 2 had a horrible beginning, as they pretty much sold an alpha copy of the game. Devs did their mea culpa, explained how it happened and promised to patch the game into working condition, which they apparently did or are still doing.

So far afaik, Bioware hasn't done anything like that. They just promised and didn't deliver, but didn't apologize or anything afaik.

I think that's part of the reason

Interesting and good post.

[Kel Riever]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

So far afaik, Bioware hasn't done anything like that. They just promised and didn't deliver, but didn't apologize or anything afaik.

I think that's part of the reason

Giant egos and delusions of grandeur often get in the way of taking proper responsibility for total screw ups.

[Headcount]

I feel so indifferent towards anything that Bioware is planning to release in the future. Even after DA2, I was willing to look pass it. We all make mistakes but ME3 was such a let down from all the hype thrown upon it (Retake Earth?) and just failed to deliver at the end. The EC helped but the mistrust is still there and still no explaination on how all of this happened or if it will happen again.

I might try the DLC if good word of mouth from fellow gamers reaches me. Beyond that, I will be cautious with my money when it comes to Bioware.

[Femlob]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Part of the problem imo is that Bioware is still content in its "artistic integrity" and has made no excuse nor given any satisfying explanations on the whole deal.

Some people talked about Deus ex HR that also had a smaller complain storm because of the imperative bosses and whatnot. Then the devs apologized and recognized some of their faults, and how they had made a mystake there. Then the whole thing calmed down fairly quickly.

I'm not sure it's much of a valid example, but sword of the stars 2 had a horrible beginning, as they pretty much sold an alpha copy of the game. Devs did their mea culpa, explained how it happened and promised to patch the game into working condition, which they apparently did or are still doing.

So far afaik, Bioware hasn't done anything like that. They just promised and didn't deliver, but didn't apologize or anything afaik.

I think that's part of the reason

Pretty much. They not only flat-out lied to and purposely misled their fans and customers, but they continue to defend that practice. You don't generate a whole lot of goodwill with either.

Modifié par Femlob, 11 juillet 2012 - 03:51 .

[LaughingDragon]

I'm with the "there's no point" side.

The way the game ends makes me not care about the story, at all. So any pre-ending DLC has almost no appeal to me.

[Malditor]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Part of the problem imo is that Bioware is still content in its "artistic integrity" and has made no excuse nor given any satisfying explanations on the whole deal.

Some people talked about Deus ex HR that also had a smaller complain storm because of the imperative bosses and whatnot. Then the devs apologized and recognized some of their faults, and how they had made a mystake there. Then the whole thing calmed down fairly quickly.

I'm not sure it's much of a valid example, but sword of the stars 2 had a horrible beginning, as they pretty much sold an alpha copy of the game. Devs did their mea culpa, explained how it happened and promised to patch the game into working condition, which they apparently did or are still doing.

So far afaik, Bioware hasn't done anything like that. They just promised and didn't deliver, but didn't apologize or anything afaik.

I think that's part of the reason

I understand that there are people who aren't happy, but why should BW apologize or try to make amends further if they are happy with what they produced? Would you expect an apology from a movie maker because you didn't like it or a writer if you didn't like the book?
I can tell you right now I spent years reading The Dark Tower series and was livid at the ending but never imagined that Stephen King owed me anything because I didn't like how he ended that series.
I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset, but you don't have the right to expect anything like an apology from someone who is happy with what the produced.

[Kel Riever]

Because it isn't a godd*mn book, and if the writers had asked themselves what the difference was between an rpg video game and a book, they might have had a shot at not having a series of sh*t endings.

Anger at  BioDumb, not at you.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 11 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .

[Xeranx]

Daiyus wrote...

I'll admit, I'm quite naturally cold-hearted, and can move on from situations very quickly. Maybe the ending were so bad people should still be venting over it. Like I said, I accept people don't like it. That's not a problem for me. I'm just frustrated that I have fight through the venting to get to anything else still. But I guess that's really a personal problem.

One thing to keep in mind is that this is entertainment.  Entertainment that is hyped up and has a steep price tag on it.  No matter what, this game cost people at least $70 US.  It cost me $85 for the collector's edition.  And it's software.  The likelihood of returning the game and getting the full purchase price back leaves me doubtful about succeeding. 

Anyway, when people spend that kind of money on a product, it better deliver.  I think some people who say "people should go away if they don't like it" forget that entry fee that everyone had to pay.  I'm unemployed.  I set aside the money for this game despite what I thought of the last one, and to see that I essentially spent $85 for one run through a game that should have at least the four I had planned (and beyond should I choose to do it), yeah, I'm not a happy camper. 

And let's not forget everything else that comes with it.  For one, people were already upset with Origin.  If I was upset with Origin before, I was livid when I tried to install ME3 over the course of 8 hours (origin downloaded it, but I bought a physical copy).  I could have set it to install while I slept and saw it completed when I woke up.  For that particular reason alone, I won't uninstall ME3.  I don't know what will happen with dlc.  If it's free I'll take a look at it, but if there's a price tag on it, then I'll uninstall ME3 in a heartbeat and forget about the ME3 side of Bioware's boards for good.  I didn't get my money's worth and I'm still waiting to feel as though I did good with the money I spent.  I don't see that happening, but I can be surprised. 

I bought DA2 and I don't think it's as bad as ME3, but I haven't even looked at the DLC apart from Sebastian which made me feel sick since it cost me whatever it did and it was a character unlock (30 meg download).  I HATE that crap.  So I'm keeping a critical eye on Bioware.  They're the only ones who do what they do, but I won't keep feeing money into a machine that'll nickel and dime me.  I have better things to do with my time such as counting fireflies at night.  That's how pissed off I am when I think about the amount I spent.

Modifié par Xeranx, 11 juillet 2012 - 06:50 .

[Eluril]

I know it's been mentioned but the three best pieces of Downloadable content for the ME series (Lair of the Shadow Broker, Overlord, and From Ashes) were not Necessary for the story, but they were necessary and important for the lore of the series. I'd argue each of those pieces adds much to the "Feel" of the series and its depth. So basically if this next piece of DLC is anything like Lair of the Shadow Broker it is a must buy for me. Furthermore, it has been stated that the Leviathan DLC would alter the conversation with the Catalyst. This makes me say that it WILL change the ending but not sure how yet.

[Metalunatic]

Pantegana wrote...

I don't know. Maybe they're gonna add Sgt. Gardner's Calamari Gumbo recipe.

Thanks for the giggles.

[Kamfrenchie]

Malditor wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Part of the problem imo is that Bioware is still content in its "artistic integrity" and has made no excuse nor given any satisfying explanations on the whole deal.

Some people talked about Deus ex HR that also had a smaller complain storm because of the imperative bosses and whatnot. Then the devs apologized and recognized some of their faults, and how they had made a mystake there. Then the whole thing calmed down fairly quickly.

I'm not sure it's much of a valid example, but sword of the stars 2 had a horrible beginning, as they pretty much sold an alpha copy of the game. Devs did their mea culpa, explained how it happened and promised to patch the game into working condition, which they apparently did or are still doing.

So far afaik, Bioware hasn't done anything like that. They just promised and didn't deliver, but didn't apologize or anything afaik.

I think that's part of the reason

I understand that there are people who aren't happy, but why should BW apologize or try to make amends further if they are happy with what they produced? Would you expect an apology from a movie maker because you didn't like it or a writer if you didn't like the book?
I can tell you right now I spent years reading The Dark Tower series and was livid at the ending but never imagined that Stephen King owed me anything because I didn't like how he ended that series.
I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset, but you don't have the right to expect anything like an apology from someone who is happy with what the produced.

Did the author of this book promise anything to you ? Because Bioware did. They promised 16 widely different endings, that wouldn't be ABC (lol, RGB) , that people wouldn't be ofrced into a - what was it called i'm no native english speaker - bespoke ending, that there wouldn't just be switches to pull and whatnot.

They mad a **** ton of promises that they failed to meet, hell they made the opposite. If a film is advertised s being a 3 hours long AAA sci fi story but ends up being a 1 hour space fantasy story, the consumer has the right and even the duty to complain.

I was assked to make a report on a topic by my school. Truth be told I hated the very notion of it, and I did it badly. But then I accept that I get a bad mark for it.
Bioware did it poorly, took the fan money then prety much insulted them.

[DistantUtopia]

Eluril wrote...

I know it's been mentioned but the three best pieces of Downloadable content for the ME series (Lair of the Shadow Broker, Overlord, and From Ashes) were not Necessary for the story, but they were necessary and important for the lore of the series. I'd argue each of those pieces adds much to the "Feel" of the series and its depth. So basically if this next piece of DLC is anything like Lair of the Shadow Broker it is a must buy for me. Furthermore, it has been stated that the Leviathan DLC would alter the conversation with the Catalyst. This makes me say that it WILL change the ending but not sure how yet.

Unless it's a red herring

I remain pessimistically hopeful.

[Broham]

Maybe the upcoming Leviathan DLC is more backstory/lore to support Starchild and "...the reapers are my toy... tools..." theme.

Force feeding us (and solidifying) the current artful ending.

[Hanabii]

The Levi DLC from what I hear actually expands the ending even more. Not a confirmed rumor, but what if it adds changes to the endings very subtly like Shep being able to survive in more then just the Destroy end?

[puppy maclove]

Agree OP... no incentive to buy dlc, same reason I cant replay ME1, ME2 and ME3.. whats the point?

I suppose it says a lot about how much I used to love this series... up until starchild ?!?!?!?!?

The starchild and the space magic just ruin it IMO!!!! For me it was like watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy and then right at the end, as Frodo is getting on the boat at the Grey Havens, he wakes up from his dream.. is just a normal kid present day in our world, looks to the camera"winks" and goes off to school. Fudge me!!!! Would you still care about the LOTR trilogy?

Ok ... no the same ending mechanism but the feeling it generated for me is the same.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Hanabii wrote...

The Levi DLC from what I hear actually expands the ending even more. Not a confirmed rumor, but what if it adds changes to the endings very subtly like Shep being able to survive in more then just the Destroy end?

That gives me a small bit of hope, but to be safe I'm keeping my expectations at an all time low, even lower than the EC. 

Best case scienario we get some sort of ending where we can beat the Reapers by conventional means (or whatever), then the war assets we spend the entire game collecting would actually be meaningful lol 

[ld1449]

Malditor wrote...

I understand that there are people who aren't happy, but why should BW apologize or try to make amends further if they are happy with what they produced? Would you expect an apology from a movie maker because you didn't like it or a writer if you didn't like the book?
I can tell you right now I spent years reading The Dark Tower series and was livid at the ending but never imagined that Stephen King owed me anything because I didn't like how he ended that series.
I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset, but you don't have the right to expect anything like an apology from someone who is happy with what the produced.

Joe Schumacha appologised to DC comic fans for his horrible interpretation of the Batman comic books explaining how the studio and soccer moms were unhappy with the dark tone given by the previous Batman returns adaptation by Tim Burton.

Will Smith apologised the original actor of his character in Wild Wild west for how horrible the movie actually was. Essentially apologising for both the Director, and Screenplay writer.

Stephen King did apologise to fans that enjoyed the Dark Tower, stating a year or so after the fact that he understood their unhapiness and empathised with it and that perhaps today he would have resolved things differently.


Apologies don't have to be expected but when you screw up to such a colosal degree, or were involved in something that was a colosal **** up, an apology is only the proper thing to actually do. Not just stand there with arms crossed and scoff at anyone who throws adissenting opinion as being someone who just "Doesn't get it" or needs to understand the value of artistic vision and how sacred it is.

[Krunjar]

Psssst there's quite a few people who like the ending. In fact the hard truth is that most people are satisfied with EC. It's the hardcore fans with nothing better to do that fill this board with spit and bile. It was always gonna happen Mass effects fan base is huge. No matter what they did there was ALWAYS going to be a sh*tstorm of angry entitled whiners on these boards.

You guys are rapidly becoming a joke.

Modifié par Krunjar, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:36 .

[JediMike2372]

Krunjar wrote...

Psssst there's quite a few people who like the ending. In fact the hard truth is that most people are satisfied with EC. It's the hardcore fans with nothing better to do that fill this board with spit and bile. It was always gonna happen Mass effects fan base is huge. No matter what they did there was ALWAYS going to be a sh*tstorm of angry entitled whiners on these boards.

You guys are rapidly becoming a joke.

You said it.  I am a fan and I am now generally satified with the EC endings.  But I do think that people with nothing better to do are the ones complaining.  I just like to play the game and have fun.  It does not dominiate my thoughts.  I was angry at the endings but I chalked that up to a rushed product on EA/Bioware's part.  But as far as future DLC's, I will happily get them if only for fresh gameplay.

[Kamfrenchie]

Krunjar wrote...

Psssst there's quite a few people who like the ending. In fact the hard truth is that most people are satisfied with EC. It's the hardcore fans with nothing better to do that fill this board with spit and bile. It was always gonna happen Mass effects fan base is huge. No matter what they did there was ALWAYS going to be a sh*tstorm of angry entitled whiners on these boards.

You guys are rapidly becoming a joke.

haha no. Had the writing been goo there wouldn't have been a ****storm, nor a need for EC.
But you know there are quite a few people that expect quality and pomises kept from developpers for 60 $
But no mattr how objective theircomplaints are many easy customers are happy to label them as haters instead of coming up with real arguments. No wondr the quality of many games goes down

[Legbiter]

If it's a story with good pathos and Shepard gets to shoot more things then why not.

[Codename_Code]

Ill say it to you bioware style

1.- This DLc will be very important in the Ending ?
yes , the DLC really important in that big final moment, it will branch your ending in infinite possibilities.

2.- It will change the ending ?.
no

3.- it is only a lame mission that will add a reaper image in the fleets cutscene right ?
nn, erhsm no... well, yes. But that cutscene is really cool !. you see, the starkid is there and he is really cool, he is like skynet, and harbinger is all " oh god Im here against my will, shepard save me ! and then joker says " whoa shepard, I would leave you right away if the battle gets hot !. It really clears up a lot of artistic stuff people didn't understand because they are no artists.

4.- that sounds so stupid is hard to believe.

we worked in a subtle message for the fans that don't like our stuff, is really really hidden.
Clue ( shoot the kid ).