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[Jadebaby]

riesenwiesel wrote...

Goodbye, pre-ordered CEs. It has been a pleasure.

Trade in?

[Grand Wazoo]

Even before ME3 came out, I had pretty skeptical and cynical views on the industry and on Bioware, to extent. So ME3 and the whole ending debacle just reinforced my thoughts regarding the industry.

[iggy4566]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I was already fairly cynical, but BioWare was one of the last developers I had total faith in.
I defended DA2 and SWTOR and I stood by them. Then came ME3 and I realised just how far they had fallen.

ME3's ending was so horrifically bad it took me several weeks before I got interested in gaming again, because ME3 flat out killed it. It was such a blow to see my absolute favourite sci-fi universe and one of my most beloved series shredded before my very eyes.

The EC patches a few things, such as, you know, the galaxy being destroyed. But they insisted on keeping setting-killing elements like the spacebaby and with that, lost any respect I ever had for them.

Agreed, except it's the writers/directors/producers I've lost respect for. I'm sure there are still hard working BioWare employees that had nothing to do with the direction some people decided to take. For instances Merizan, Priestly and other BioWare staff that grace these forums.

I always hated EA though.

Scum in suits.

Hey don't call EA scum in suits that gives them more worth then they need.

[2Shepards]

Ummmm, this ending has made me change or contemplate my perspective on the industry.

Most notable, what does the gaming industry want from me?
To enjoy their titles?
My money?

[nitefyre410]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I was already fairly cynical, but BioWare was one of the last developers I had total faith in.
I defended DA2 and SWTOR and I stood by them. Then came ME3 and I realised just how far they had fallen.

ME3's ending was so horrifically bad it took me several weeks before I got interested in gaming again, because ME3 flat out killed it. It was such a blow to see my absolute favourite sci-fi universe and one of my most beloved series shredded before my very eyes.

The EC patches a few things, such as, you know, the galaxy being destroyed. But they insisted on keeping setting-killing elements like the spacebaby and with that, lost any respect I ever had for them.

Agreed, except it's the writers/directors/producers I've lost respect for. I'm sure there are still hard working BioWare employees that had nothing to do with the direction some people decided to take. For instances Merizan, Priestly and other BioWare staff that grace these forums.

I always hated EA though.

Scum in suits.

 

But you know at the same time... this  whole ending debacle has been a good thing for me too. It has pushed me to get back  and find  new titles to play and new games.  And Guess what there are a lot great titles out there to play ,from companies like Atlus, Rockstar,  High Moon,   Rocksteady.  Bioware/EA and  Activison  are the begining and end of the gaming world  as the  Gaming "Journalist" would like to tell everyone and no everyone big publisher and developers is out to make crappy titles.  
  

Bioware is not the  beginging and end  of the video game story telling world... matter of fact I think alot of what people like about Bioware is more nostaligia based than anything that has been great here rescently.  I had my issues with ME 2 especailly that non-existent main plot of the game. 

And DA:Origins while good is  just your basic generic   fantasy RPG number # 4.  Where you have something a like a Dark Souls that stands out 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 11 juillet 2012 - 12:58 .

[MzAdventure]

flanny wrote...

I agree with DA2 and SWTOR, the goodwill Bioware had was more than enough to look past their faults. I mean i only got into ME1 because it was made by bioware, the company that gave us Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, Jade Empire and many more.

Now that goodwill is gone and i view one of my favourite brands with suspicion. It's Bioware, we all know what ME3 could have been if they had put the effort, this for me makes the game twice as worse

+1

And I will never again pre-order a game, much less a CE version.  Done with that, for certain.

[FoggyFishburne]

The Angry One wrote...

I was already fairly cynical, but BioWare was one of the last developers I had total faith in.
I defended DA2 and SWTOR and I stood by them. Then came ME3 and I realised just how far they had fallen.

ME3's ending was so horrifically bad it took me several weeks before I got interested in gaming again, because ME3 flat out killed it. It was such a blow to see my absolute favourite sci-fi universe and one of my most beloved series shredded before my very eyes.

The EC patches a few things, such as, you know, the galaxy being destroyed. But they insisted on keeping setting-killing elements like the spacebaby and with that, lost any respect I ever had for them.

Agree. BioWare is pretty dead now. Killed themselves which is pretty interesting.. Shame. Oh well, my favorite developer has been replaced by CD Project Red. Some people say that DA3 is the last chance they're willing to give BioWare. But nah. It'll take a ****ing miracle to save their reputation at this point. Their bull****y damage control free DLCs aren't gonna fix the horrible mistakes of their past. BioWare is done people. It's time to move on. I know I have. Can't wait for Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk!

[PrimeOfValor]

Funny thing, the me3 Ce was my first and probably the last.

[SpamBot2000]

I guess it's just driven home what I thought was the case anyway. But then, if I already knew it, why the huge disappointment? Head/heart agreement at last I suppose. And it ain't the head that got broken.

What BioWare seemed to lose sight of at some point is that a big part of the appeal of their brand was emotional, as in all these RPG fans feeling that BW were people who got them and cared for the things they cared about. And BW did promote itself along these lines with all those interviews with "the doctors who liked RPG's so much they ditched the whole healing people racket to make games" theme. And now they stand revealed as callous nickel and dimers who think their "beloved fans" are chumps who will accept any old unfinished garbage as long as the BW stamp is on it.

[The RPGenius]

ME3 has negatively affected my view of the gaming industry. I already had a very negative view of it, of course, as is inevitable of nearly anyone with even the slightest knowledge of its workings. But one of the few aspects of the gaming industry I had some trust in was Bioware's appreciation for its audience, and its artistic skills and integrity. Now, however, the PR statements Bioware's made since the ending debacle first appeared, the tone of the Refusal ending, and the whole mess of ME3 in general has proven to me that Bioware is extraordinarily arrogant, no longer cares about its product and audience so much as it cares about its image, and has absolutely no understanding of what "artistic integrity" actually means (if what you're defending flies in the face of the thematic values of your work as a whole, then for the sake of your art's integrity you change it). Mass Effect 3's ending and Bioware's actions and statements regarding it will just be added to a long list of video game moments disappointing enough to alter my perception of media, taking a place in the halls of my memory with such honored disasters as Chrono Cross, Grandia 3, and Suikoden 4.

I've also learned from the outright lies expressed in interviews before the game's release by ME3's head writers about how the story and ending would go that a video game is apparently the one thing where you'll suffer no form of legal punishment for advertising a completely different product than what you're actually selling. Awesome.

ME3 has also given me circumstantial yet extremely-obvious-in-the-common-sense-way confirmation that the major "journalists" of the gaming industry are easily bribed and have little to no journalistic integrity. I mean, I always suspected that IGN's general incompetence and shallow, pandering nature were tied to being capable of being bought off, but seeing them stand at the side of patently obvious poor writing and outright attack their own audience couldn't be a better indicator than if someone recorded EA's CEO hand-delivering a bag of gold coins to IGN's offices.

At least there's still Nintendo and Atlus.  Man, when the day comes that those 2 final bastions of decency and care for one's product lose their integrity as Bioware has, I'm not going to be a mentally sound man any longer.

Modifié par The RPGenius, 11 juillet 2012 - 01:15 .

[Jadebaby]

bigmass41 wrote...

Funny thing, the me3 Ce was my first and probably the last.

lol me too. I even baught the vault thing to keep my xbox safe. As a bonus I got a spectre pack code for MP...

Pretty much all ME3 seems to be about.

[Jadebaby]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I was already fairly cynical, but BioWare was one of the last developers I had total faith in.
I defended DA2 and SWTOR and I stood by them. Then came ME3 and I realised just how far they had fallen.

ME3's ending was so horrifically bad it took me several weeks before I got interested in gaming again, because ME3 flat out killed it. It was such a blow to see my absolute favourite sci-fi universe and one of my most beloved series shredded before my very eyes.

The EC patches a few things, such as, you know, the galaxy being destroyed. But they insisted on keeping setting-killing elements like the spacebaby and with that, lost any respect I ever had for them.

Agree. BioWare is pretty dead now. Killed themselves which is pretty interesting.. Shame. Oh well, my favorite developer has been replaced by CD Project Red. Some people say that DA3 is the last chance they're willing to give BioWare. But nah. It'll take a ****ing miracle to save their reputation at this point. Their bull****y damage control free DLCs aren't gonna fix the horrible mistakes of their past. BioWare is done people. It's time to move on. I know I have. Can't wait for Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk!

Having their dlc free is just a tactic to show goodwill. They know people will spend the money on those microtransactions to get those new dlc characters faster....

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 11 juillet 2012 - 01:28 .

[Love Sherri]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

riesenwiesel wrote...

Goodbye, pre-ordered CEs. It has been a pleasure.

Trade in?

ME3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered.

I think I learned my lesson.

[Fuzzfro]

Everyone who hates on it so much needs to replay ME3 and understand that despite the endings the large majority of the rest of the game was great. Sure there are issues and disappointments here and there but generally it's a good experience.
Plus the extended cut endings are much better.

[Ridwan]

Show your frustrations with your wallet then.

[Jadebaby]

Love Sherri wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

riesenwiesel wrote...

Goodbye, pre-ordered CEs. It has been a pleasure.

Trade in?

ME3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered.

I think I learned my lesson.

I was just saying in another thread "me too" to this exact line lol.

Kinda sucks.

Surprised this hasn't been locked yet

[nitefyre410]

Love Sherri wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

riesenwiesel wrote...

Goodbye, pre-ordered CEs. It has been a pleasure.

Trade in?

ME3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered.

I think I learned my lesson.

 

Only game I every pre-order... nope. 

The third and last Bioware game I ever pre-order... most definately.   

Modifié par nitefyre410, 11 juillet 2012 - 01:41 .

[SpamBot2000]

Fuzzfro wrote...

Everyone who hates on it so much needs to replay ME3 and understand that despite the endings the large majority of the rest of the game was great. Sure there are issues and disappointments here and there but generally it's a good experience.
Plus the extended cut endings are much better.

Oh, so we owe them a "fair appreciation" is that it? As the French Academy memorably put it: "Balzac!"

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 11 juillet 2012 - 01:47 .

[Love Sherri]

Fuzzfro wrote...

Everyone who hates on it so much needs to replay ME3 and understand that despite the endings the large majority of the rest of the game was great. Sure there are issues and disappointments here and there but generally it's a good experience.
Plus the extended cut endings are much better.

If you read my OP you would know I had problems with the game before I even hit the end or knew of the controversy. 

No, I don't need to replay "to understand".  

The EC is better, yes.  Too late, too little.

[Thrazesul]

Meh, the EC fixed enough for me so that I won't entierly throw Bioware to the side. But I won't stroll into their games again without reviews and proper investigation/demos, whatever you can do to make sure the game's not a fail.

As in fact, every game now is going to get through that before I buy it.

There's only 2 game companies I hold a somewhat trust towards anymore and now I worry that the same thing will happen to them too.

[Mojenator12345]

Love Sherri wrote...

ME3 was the only game I've ever pre-ordered.

I think I learned my lesson.

Ditto. 


I was stunned by how the game ended, but I think I found BW's reaction to the ****storm more eye-opening than anything else.  Would never have expected them to dig in and condescend to their fans that way.  Even the EC comes off like a passive-aggressive shot at people who didn't like the endings.  They used to be my favorite developer by a very long shot.  Now...  <_<

Modifié par Mojenator12345, 11 juillet 2012 - 03:09 .

[Xandurpein]

I have definitely become a bit more cynical about the game industry, but I think my biggest eye opener was to see how unhealthy the relationship between developers and game reviewers are.

[eye basher]

Anyone that thinks the problems with the game industry is something new is either blind or in denial it's been going on for a long time is just like any other problem out there people just ignore it until it's just to big to ignore.

[Ridwan]

Xandurpein wrote...

I have definitely become a bit more cynical about the game industry, but I think my biggest eye opener was to see how unhealthy the relationship between developers and game reviewers are.

It's nothing new, the last time I listened to a reviewer was when I bought Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun. (1997 game)

Remember folks, who's a reviewer going to like, the company that flies him to Hawaii first class for two weeks, showers him with gifts (even call girls) or us the peasants?

[CronoDragoon]

Really, my eyes were opened with the whole Kane & Lynch Gamespot scandal, however I had no idea that the attitude was so pervasive to every major reviewing company. Every time you think you aren't naive anymore...