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[Madosu]

The thing that really killed BioWare for me was the way handeled the community rage about the ending, how a dude from EA (i believe) said: "If you haven't released a game, then I don't give a **** about your oppinion on how a game should be." and know this, every time someone explains something with "artistic integrity" it's because they don't have a reason thats ****ing good enough to explain why the **** is ****, and why it isn't good.

[o Ventus]

Love Sherri wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Love Sherri wrote...

*cough* 38 Studios *cough*

And look how they turned out. 

Which is why I mentioned it.

They have failed... horribly.

EDIT:  Which is unforunate, considering KOA is a great game, imo.  It's a shame.

Never mind then. I thought that was sarcastic.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Joeybsmooth4 wrote...

I do not look at the industry the same way anymore. The way I saw respected reviewer just out and out lying. A example a number of reviewers saying that making a new ending set a precedence. NO it is not, Fallout 3 did the same thing . So I don't trust people that us to any more .

Fallout 3 did a much better job, too.

[ravene]

to waite till its been out for a while and check user reviews and game play on youtube then buy it when it hits the bargin bin. also if bioware puts out another trilogy waite till the last game is out and user reviews and watching on youtube makes it look like all 3 games are worth my time then buy it all bundled from the bargin bin.

[chemiclord]

Hasn't changed much.

All the ugly warts that came out were readily visible, fans just didn't want to see them because they bought into obviously bull**** PR statements.

Then again, I already knew fans (as a whole) were pretty ****ing stupid, too... so not even THAT was a surprise.

[Phaedros]

@ Topic Title:

It has confirmed the fears that surfaced after the appalling gutting of Dragon Age with the release of DA2.

The future is dumbed-down bleak... !

[CrazyRah]

It didn't really change it that much for me. I always saw the industry in a cynical light, ME3 just added more reasons for me to stay cynical

[Kel Riever]

chemiclord wrote...

Hasn't changed much.

All the ugly warts that came out were readily visible, fans just didn't want to see them because they bought into obviously bull**** PR statements.

Then again, I already knew fans (as a whole) were pretty ****ing stupid, too... so not even THAT was a surprise.

This is not an inaccurate assessment.  But at least the fans mostly see now how sh**ty it is, and it is really only the minority defending this hack job.

Oh, and I love quotes when EA blames its fans for its shortcomings.  Better yet, when cult like following rises around such egomaniac arguements.  It reminds me...people STILL bought cars from GM as they spiraled downward just before the financial crash.  And they were happy buying their POS vehicle, too.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 11 juillet 2012 - 10:47 .

[s17tabris]

The issue credibility (or lack thereof) of professional game reviewers is not new to me. I've stopped relying on professional reviews ever since that incident on Gamespot, where the reviewer was fired because he didn't give a game a high score (can't remember the specifics).

As for Bioware... I'm fairly certain that I won't be pre-ordering again. It's also a good thing that Origin was totally sucky back then. Had it worked correctly, I would have bought the DDE, which was more than twice the price of retail SE here.

I've played games a lot worse than ME3 and I've also been disappointed by some games but never had a game left a bad taste in the mouth like ME3.

[Hedera]

It has, for me, exposed a rampant and sickening disorder that affects almost the entire game industry. The fact that greedy publishers rush everything around to meet shareholder demands and could care less about a medium that is supposed to be about enjoyment and escapism has caused me to reassess almost my entire view of the industry. It's a problem, and we need people to step up, say "this is not what should be going on", and do something about it.

I know I intend to.

[brettc893]

Honestly?

It didn't start with ME3, but my enthusiasm has died quite a bit.

At this point, gaming has taken several steps backward in every category but Graphics and Mass Appeal.

Mediocrity is celebrated. And unfinished products are given perfect scores.

And the worst part about it all? MOST OF THE ACTUAL GAMERS IN THIS DAY AND AGE.

Point out ME3 was rushed and fairly ****ty? Most everyone agrees.

Say the same thing about Skyrim? **** YOU TROLL!

Our standards have PLUMMETED, and I've given up the hope that this medium will ever be considered a legitimate artform by the masses.

And it's all our fault.

And I think I'll be getting off this train soon.

[Nefla]

ME3 has killed my enthusiasm not only for Mass Effect and other BioWare games, but all video games.

[chemiclord]

Nefla wrote...

ME3 has killed my enthusiasm not only for Mass Effect and other BioWare games, but all video games.

Wow.  You REALLY need a new hobby.

May I suggest stamp collecting?  Or will one misprinted stamp ruin that entire hobby for you too?

Modifié par chemiclord, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:00 .

[JamieCOTC]

The auto-dialogue, which I do believe is a an influence from the industry, did bug me a lot. The inclusion of MP did hurt the SP w/ the inclusion of fetch quests and lackluster N7 missions. Had MP not been a part they may have been forced to be more creative in the side quests. Then of course there is Origin. So, certainly BW is evolving into something I just don't care for any longer. But the ending ... As much as I didn't care for DA2, I can respect that they tried something different. The same applies to the ending of ME3. I can respect that they tried to give ME3 a big, grandiose, morally challenging ending, however, they failed miserably. I think that was totally on BW, though and not a product of influence, but more not being up to the challenge or maybe even hubris.

But I don't see ME3 as changing the industry for better or worse, but more of a product of where the industry is headed. And I've seen the direction it's headed and don't care for it at all. So my days as a gamer are most likely numbered.

[Taraakian]

Um

If anything, ME3 has taught me that most developers don't care near as much about their fanbase as Bioware does.

All the DLC has been free so far, they took time to release the Extended cut even though they didn't plan to, and they've done everything in their power to address grievances. Get over yourself and shut up.

[Ticonderoga117]

The BioWare that I grew to love in ME1 has died.
Gaming journalism is mostly comprised of hacks.
Never pre-order a BioWare game again. (ME3 was my first game I did from them, and I got the Collector's Edition)
Halo, again, rules supreme in my favorite video game SciFi franchise. And since Armando is supposedly working on Halo 4 now, things are only looking better.
EA has killed every franchise I loved except for Battlefield, and I doubt it will last for long.

[Kel Riever]

Taraakian wrote...

Um

If anything, ME3 has taught me that most developers don't care near as much about their fanbase as Bioware does.

All the DLC has been free so far, they took time to release the Extended cut even though they didn't plan to, and they've done everything in their power to address grievances. Get over yourself and shut up.

brettc893  was this one of those voices of mediocrity you were talking about?

[brettc893]

I suppose it is!

So easily appeased... guess somebody doesn't buy their own games yet.

[Cronotis]

Taraakian wrote...

Um

If anything, ME3 has taught me that most developers don't care near as much about their fanbase as Bioware does.

All the DLC has been free so far, they took time to release the Extended cut even though they didn't plan to, and they've done everything in their power to address grievances. Get over yourself and shut up.

I love this argument:  ****** on me and tell me it's artistic rain, then hand me a tissue 3 month's later = UR my BFF<3

[Nefla]

chemiclord wrote...

Nefla wrote...

ME3 has killed my enthusiasm not only for Mass Effect and other BioWare games, but all video games.

Wow.  You REALLY need a new hobby.

May I suggest stamp collecting?  Or will one misprinted stamp ruin that entire hobby for you too?

If I had been scouring the earth for years looking for that one specific stamp that had some kind of awesome historical significance and then I finally get it and it crumbles to dust in my hand, then yes it would ruin my stamp-collecting mood. BioWare was by far my favorite game company, I loved their games more than any others but with DA2 and now ME3 they have gone in a direction I hate and I have been really disappointed. It's like "if BioWare can't  make a good game anymore, what chance do other companies have?"

Though I did get one new hobby out of this mess, I took up jogging in my spare time 

[Lucky Thirteen]

I am never buying a game day one again, this was the final straw in a long line of games that have disappointed me. I've learned that even a game that I believe is guaranteed great, day one buy, can still be a huge disappointment to me. With the cost of games, it's too expensive and with the fact so many companies are rushing games out before making them complete, it's not worth it.

Yeah, EA, I'm waiting several months for when games get discounted because of the lowered quality of games. Not because Steam trained me to.

[Errationatus]

Ahhh... I remember when Average Joe played a game and didn't give two damns about the business model behind it's implementation and release.

The questions relevant to the game experience were:  "Was it fun?"  "Was it worth the time?"  "Was it worth my cash?"  A "yes", and it was likely replayed.  A "no", and it was given to the little brother as a "present".

Now Average Joe has been mugged and left hog-tied in an alley by Whiny Schmuckington AssClown the 3rd who is suddenly a lawyer/author/psychologist/games expert/Mysterious Former Insider/all-of-the-above that knows exactly how the vast conspiratorial Gaming Complex led by the EA Slave Masters (who have duped all those talented designers, writers, programmers, graphic artists into humping the rest of us, and pay them with the blood of Xboxers and tears of PS3ers) have undermined gaming with their years of crappy games and thus ruined it for True Gamers.

Oddly enough, there's a little something called "Supply and Demand".  If something is percieved by a company to be in demand, the company - in order to turn a profit - creates the product and puts it out there.  Enough demand and the supply is increased.  No or little demand, and the supply is decreased.  Such is the way of things.

Because of this odd phenomenom, if games are crap it's likely because all those amazing True Gamers buy crap and they buy a lot.

There's a great deal of COD hate, yet some sumb!tch out there bought five billion dollars worth of those games, and it wasn't just five 'tarded neckbeards in their basements, so there's a few stadium's-full of high-grade hypocrisy being flung about - and its definitely sliming up BSN on a regular basis.

Of course, this is also the culture that made "Twilight" a gabillion bucks and idiotic S&M fanfiction a best seller, so it comes as no surprise whatsoever that mediocrity and unadulterated brainless pandering are in demand.  It's what the people want and will pony up the scratch for - and the afficionados who sniff and wave dismissively either need to stop whining and do something, or accept that the wallow is what people want - and STFU about it.

If your sense of well-being and your entire gaming coda is wrapped tightly around how much the ME series masturbates you when you play, they you have the problem, not Bioware, and not EA. 

I play them for fun, for diversion, and not to uncover the secrets of life and the universe.

Don't like it, don't buy.  Better yet, do research before you buy.   You'll feel less of an taken-advantage-of-self-righteous-assh0le that way.

/rant-opinion
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Uhm... so I guess my reply to the OP would be: It hasn't changed it at all, since I'm neither that susceptible nor pathetic.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:49 .

[adam32867]

i still have full trust in kojima and bethesda

[Dean_the_Young]

My opinion of the industry hasn't gone up, in so much that my opinion of the consumer base has gone down.

[Binary_Helix 1]

This whole fiasco has shown me that the industry is going in a direction I'm not fond of and it's probably time to move on. This gen will likely be my last. As for Bioware I'm through with them. Three flops in a row now with DA2, TOR, and ME3, enough is enough. This isn't the same Bioware anymore. All good things come to an end. DAO and ME2 were their last great games.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 12 juillet 2012 - 01:12 .