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@ wolden.

Thats actully the main problem, the US male trooper example which is in testing phases HAS to have two water containers as its so heavy and hot. Short of the form fitting armor made up of kevlar and plastics, you have targeting and info hud's, the support for all that computer crap, etc. It actully weighs more, the tech just isn't there and we are throwing huge sums into building an exo suit...which mobility and speed, nevermind weight and size have proved huge problems, as have attempts to make a atomic battery small...and safe enough for direct usage. So taken all together the armor, with gear ditched weighs  as much as what a trooper wears fully loaded. So with that other stuff added...

Basically unless we hit break throughs we are adding 30% more weight on our soldiers. Or we are forcing them to ditch supplies and gear, which in the case of direct or prolonged combat causes bad problems.

Its why I showed the other examples, the tech is just not there for the DARPA's ideas. Only the First Russian example has more weight than a trooper has today, and the troops with it are Spetsnaz, they can run you down over ten miles while wearing it and murder you. Heck its even armored with Titanium so unless your a perfect shot or have something like a Grenade launcher, don't even bother shooting at them, in tests it takes a 14.5mm round to break into that plate.

The Female Armor...I don't know what they are thinking minus maybe 30% rape rates and 90% sexual harassment, is too low. Need to get to 50 and 100 respectfully @_@

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I've heard just with the weight of the gear soldiers carry today marksmanship decreases by 26% after a 12 mile walk. And they want to increase the load? Thats not going to work at all unless they can turn the average soldier into a 6'2'' 220 lbs food guzzling beast.

First of all we have to invent small power sources, after that everything will come naturally so to speak.

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What happened to the discussion of an army of skin tight leather wearing Xena's?

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The question is do we need it? Not really. Our closest alies and enemies even think of it as being stupid. Nevermind countless little problems in testing, but meh what does the brass care what the common soldier wants. Reminds me of the story a few years back in Airforce times of several pilots who got canned for not giving the F-35 good marks, going as far as calling it a "High Tech Deathtrap."

Ah well.


And this is your Xena army, 15 years later, barring unforseen troubles. And I'm positive that look won't jump up the 30% rape rates of female soldiers in the US Military.

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You've not played MGS4 have you? I'd love to see someone try and catch one of the FROGS to rape them. It'd be perfectly hilarious.

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Confess-A-Bear wrote...


And this is your Xena army, 15 years later, barring unforseen troubles. And I'm positive that look won't jump up the 30% rape rates of female soldiers in the US Military.

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Rape has very little to do with what someone is or isn't wearing.

The armour is silly though.  Moulded boob armour just says 'Hey, aim here.'

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Still its a bad idea reguardless, and nah Logan thats the DOD design, look back to the first page and you can see the images of the other ones the US (and a few other countries) are working on. Also we don't have that sort of tech, and rape isn't a joke in the US military in fact 30% is a very conservitive percentage.

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Confess-A-Bear wrote...

And this is your Xena army,

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I could deal with bondage gear, straps and a latex gas mask. The Xena angle just had a style all it's own, ya know?

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I still dream of the day when we have that kinda tech. Jumpin' on walls, turning invisible, etc.

Watching a war documentary will be like watching Power Rangers.

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If anyone would be left alive to watch it. Remember America isn't the only one working on crazy weapons.

Well I'm pretty sure someone would be left alive, just that scale of conflict, take WW2, add more pretty colors and crazy weapons and storm trooper/cyborg looking soldiers and warbots. And times the deaths by 4. And you'll be getting to what it would be like. Also primitive mechs maybe *shrugs*

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*Sings quietly* Go go Power Rangers! Doo dee doo dum dum...

What? Oh, sorry. I spaced out there for a second.

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More combat-oriented roles have opened up in the military to women in recent times and it's only going to go forward. Considering that it makes sense to give them tailored protection.

And obviously these aren't going to be bikini armor and the article said they aren't much lighter than what men wear. It's just more tailored to the body type of women which helps them move around better and react more effectively. Armor that fits badly debilitates the one wearing it in many respects and that can easily be the line between life and death when things get frantic in a battle.

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android654 wrote...

What happened to the discussion of an army of skin tight leather wearing Xena's?


Apperantly people are more interested in having a serious discussion.
All its doing is making me want to watch Xena again (note I'm starting the series proper by starting with Hercules and catching Xena when the spinoff its and wow nostalgia watched the first 2 episodes)

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Rockworm503 wrote...

android654 wrote...

What happened to the discussion of an army of skin tight leather wearing Xena's?


Apperantly people are more interested in having a serious discussion.


Which is a shame since we could be talking about the usefulness of armor modeled after this
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Blacklash93 wrote...

More combat-oriented roles have opened up in the military to women in recent times and it's only going to go forward. Considering that it makes sense to give them tailored protection.

And obviously these aren't going to be bikini armor and the article said they aren't much lighter than what men wear. It's just more tailored to the body type of women which helps them move around better and react more effectively. Armor that fits badly debilitates the one wearing it in many respects and that can easily be the line between life and death when things get frantic in a battle.



Minus it creates a new uniform and armor one I might add is projected to cost SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, a Soldier to issue, and the Fem version given the detail that must be given will add another 20k, oh thats not a big issue at all. That also doesn't count sperate facilities.

2ndly, this is not up for debate, women for the most ARE NOT physiologically able to perform as well as a man in many combat roles, nevermind pschological impact. It has nothing to do with sex, a woman is not built the same, or with the ability to carry the same amount of weight or for the same endurance. Its in how they are built, just how a mans body is horrible built for say child birth, or for anything that requires massive flexability.

For example all Western Militaries maintane Female and Male joint basic training as of late, however and most insulting and at risk of the safety of the whole unit, females will do much of what males do, however the run and the fitness drills on said run, the females soon are made to break off and run a shorter course with less workouts, and meet up at the same place. This is done as partially they can't hack it. And to keep most of the male soldiers in the dark. alot of sexual abuses on the female matters steams from this. And in the end it allows weaker people into the services. Such as a Woman soldier who vanished from Fort Bragg not long ago, found dead raped in a ditch. She should have never been allowed in uniform.

Its not enough to have a will, you must have strength as well. Like wise, power and no will doesn't work. On that same note the Chinese allow women into combat roles, and the Russians do to a limited extent, as do the Isrealies. In all three cases, all men and women train equally and harshly. And the wash out rate for women is as high as 90%. However those who are left truely belong in those units, have earned there place, and generally don't gripe about the gear they have. They are a Credit to the unit and the espirit de Corps. Women who are given lesser traning and allowed in for "civil society" sake are a harm to the unit and watering down unit combat effectiveness.


There are women who are exception to this in the western forces and in general, as noted above, and most of those are frankly so mean and tough that a Drill Sgt, and I mean an old school one seems nice compaired to them. They are no where near the norm however, and were like that prior to military training.

Not enough men are enlisted to fill out all of the fields, and the idea of a draft is alien, so we go for PC, already the standards of the US military are at all time physical lows, to the point insubordination is growing common place, and as we have seen on the nightly news crimes are being carried out by our armed forces on civil population and dead combantants. This shows a force that lacks discipline and who's leaders keep control only with monetary offers and special treatment. Its ripe for disaster.

Our problems are with the Tradoc, the ordeals of Civilian control, and government officals and a citizenry woely ignorant of military life., not the gear. If we had enough true men in this country then the conversation about special armor for women would be a mute point.

Mind you I'm not beating a 1950's here. When a person wants equality they should get all of it. Not lesser training, not specialized gear at the expense of the common soldier. That only paves a path to ruin, and domination over the former master in the name of "equality".

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Murika!

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android654 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

android654 wrote...

What happened to the discussion of an army of skin tight leather wearing Xena's?


Apperantly people are more interested in having a serious discussion.


Which is a shame since we could be talking about the usefulness of armor modeled after this
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too useful if you ask me :D

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Logan Cloud wrote...

I still dream of the day when we have that kinda tech. Jumpin' on walls, turning invisible, etc.

Watching a war documentary will be like watching Power Rangers.


THat future may not be too far off. Japan is already building a megazord. I mean gundom.


http://www.google.co...Wr3PQXPcvZw58-g

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Rockworm503 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

android654 wrote...

What happened to the discussion of an army of skin tight leather wearing Xena's?


Apperantly people are more interested in having a serious discussion.


Which is a shame since we could be talking about the usefulness of armor modeled after this
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too useful if you ask me :D



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aw your thingy doesn't work

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Nah, it's working fine.

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@C-a-B

Notice how I wasn't arguing about women's place in combat. Women are, without question, taking up more roles in the military and them getting killed because their equipment is clunky and ill-suited isn't exactly the most fair reason for an untimely death. I said the reasoning was understandable considering that.

Also consider they're not going to produce this like men's armor. Women are a minority in the military and thus relatively few will be produced. Also, should this armor be standard for women, mens armor production will be cut down proportionally because women no longer use them.

Do I think many women are compatible to military combat? No, but I believe everyone has a chance to prove themselves. The other 10%, per your estimated statistic, who stick through combat training earn their place and if they made good soldiers then denying them the chance would have been a waste. Besides it isn't like there aren't other roles the women who can't make it to the position of traditional combat troop can do that don't involve nursing or office jobs. Combat piloting comes to mind.

Nice job saying people who would not share your opinion aren't "true men". classic belittling 101. And women will usurp their "master"? I hope you didn't mean it that way.

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Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

More combat-oriented roles have opened up in the military to women in recent times and it's only going to go forward. Considering that it makes sense to give them tailored protection.

And obviously these aren't going to be bikini armor and the article said they aren't much lighter than what men wear. It's just more tailored to the body type of women which helps them move around better and react more effectively. Armor that fits badly debilitates the one wearing it in many respects and that can easily be the line between life and death when things get frantic in a battle.



Minus it creates a new uniform and armor one I might add is projected to cost SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, a Soldier to issue, and the Fem version given the detail that must be given will add another 20k, oh thats not a big issue at all. That also doesn't count sperate facilities.

2ndly, this is not up for debate, women for the most ARE NOT physiologically able to perform as well as a man in many combat roles, nevermind pschological impact. It has nothing to do with sex, a woman is not built the same, or with the ability to carry the same amount of weight or for the same endurance. Its in how they are built, just how a mans body is horrible built for say child birth, or for anything that requires massive flexability.

For example all Western Militaries maintane Female and Male joint basic training as of late, however and most insulting and at risk of the safety of the whole unit, females will do much of what males do, however the run and the fitness drills on said run, the females soon are made to break off and run a shorter course with less workouts, and meet up at the same place. This is done as partially they can't hack it. And to keep most of the male soldiers in the dark. alot of sexual abuses on the female matters steams from this. And in the end it allows weaker people into the services. Such as a Woman soldier who vanished from Fort Bragg not long ago, found dead raped in a ditch. She should have never been allowed in uniform.

Its not enough to have a will, you must have strength as well. Like wise, power and no will doesn't work. On that same note the Chinese allow women into combat roles, and the Russians do to a limited extent, as do the Isrealies. In all three cases, all men and women train equally and harshly. And the wash out rate for women is as high as 90%. However those who are left truely belong in those units, have earned there place, and generally don't gripe about the gear they have. They are a Credit to the unit and the espirit de Corps. Women who are given lesser traning and allowed in for "civil society" sake are a harm to the unit and watering down unit combat effectiveness.


There are women who are exception to this in the western forces and in general, as noted above, and most of those are frankly so mean and tough that a Drill Sgt, and I mean an old school one seems nice compaired to them. They are no where near the norm however, and were like that prior to military training.

Not enough men are enlisted to fill out all of the fields, and the idea of a draft is alien, so we go for PC, already the standards of the US military are at all time physical lows, to the point insubordination is growing common place, and as we have seen on the nightly news crimes are being carried out by our armed forces on civil population and dead combantants. This shows a force that lacks discipline and who's leaders keep control only with monetary offers and special treatment. Its ripe for disaster.

Our problems are with the Tradoc, the ordeals of Civilian control, and government officals and a citizenry woely ignorant of military life., not the gear. If we had enough true men in this country then the conversation about special armor for women would be a mute point.

Mind you I'm not beating a 1950's here. When a person wants equality they should get all of it. Not lesser training, not specialized gear at the expense of the common soldier. That only paves a path to ruin, and domination over the former master in the name of "equality".


Not to mention the psycological effect it has one the men in a combat role when they see a woman shot to pieces or blown up. I mean just as an example look what happened when Jessica Lynch was captured, her retrieveal was a priority, not that I don't believe it wasn't, but you never see the same sense of urgency when a man is captured. War is unciviliazed and I will never understand why women want to take part in it.. and please spare me the being patriotic mumbo-jumbo, there are more ways then going to war to be patriotic.

Just onto a side note, CaB you mentioned the draft being alien, well young men better start getting use to the idea, because if the politicans want to continue this "war" on terror at any high state of readiness then they are going to need more and fresh troops. You can not continue to rotate people into and out of various war zones and expect them to be 100% effective and I actually believe that why you see a lot of the things going on over there that you do, ie the descration of bodies and abuse of civilians. These people have had enough and are doing what ever they can to be sent home, the consequences be damned.

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 It could potentially work as long as they don't have exposed bits(like on Xena's armour) They just need to get the shape and measurements right a compromise between comfort and protection.

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We need assless chaps for army uniforms.