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[Rokayt]

I disliked the LMG and the shotguns designs quite a bit, but I hope that they'll end up being fun at least.

[Lucifuture]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

Do you do graphic design, or produce any sort of artwork yourself? Do you create anything what so ever? What sort of qualifications do you have so that people should value your criticisms? Just curious

By that same logic, no one had the right to criticise ME3's original endings unless they had produced a game at some point, lest their criticism be of no value and ill qualified.

I think some people in this threa (not the poster I'm responding to), need to get off the butthurt train.  A criticism was levied on art design based on the information provided so far.

He didn't demand a change.
He didn't demand a refund on free.
He didn't talk about how EA has ruined Bioware.
He didn't talk about how Bioware is now a has been, and dead in his eyes.

He talked about how he disliked recycled assets, which is a valid criticism.

Valid in what sense? Valid that it makes sense? Anybody with an opinion can complain about anything successfully and make a rational argument about why they don't like something. Well anybody with an opinion and half a brain.

I think my points are two fold 1 Who cares, everybody has an opinion/ why should I care about your opinion and 2 complaining about something nice and free just sorta comes off as entitled and ****y.

There seems to be a general discrepancy on how criticism is valued in here. I do not see criticism, any form of it, be it positive or negative, as some kind of punishment. It's an opportunity. I am not trying to harass them, I am trying to give a helping point of view.

Where's the entitlement or ****y in that? I am genuinely trying to give good counsel, not to simply be an ass and denounce all their work.

I think most people in here simply don't see it that way and interpret my post as an hostile action.

Not that Bioware is godly/legendary/perfect , or that they haven't already listened to a ridiculous amount of feedback already, but to me being a random smuck (myself) I would feel like a child trying to give advice to any sort of artist/professional who is clearly not a novice. Not to mention getting paid for it.  Also I am pretty sure Bioware pays people who probably gave the exact same good counsel you are trying to give.

And even then if I thought they wanted to hear my opinions, and then they delivered it would feel hollow. For example I was blown away that they let us have playable geth and vorcha. I was in my heart of hearts hoping for it. And when they came out with it I was super happy. If I had asked for it I think it would have been less rewarding.

But of course as always this is just my opinion and am probably appearing to make more of a fuss than I intend. I have a bad habit of overstating my opinions.

Then you are of the opinion that additional feedback is not only not neccesary, but redundant?  If you make assumptions like that you will never have the perspective to hear the voice of the customer.

I work for a large corporation filled with people who are paid to give sage council.  Customers have no idea how to make our product, but their feedback is always welcome because it gives the company perspective that it may otherwise lack.

No one in their right mind would argue for recycled assets as a boon to the customer, but they would argue for it as a cost saving measure, a boon to the company.

That said, again, the criticism is something that Bioware would be interested in.  Thus your point becomes laughably reflective, no one cares what you think of Neofelis' opinion, but Bioware certainly care about what its customers have to say.

Nice and Free does not defend it from criticism, it defends it from demands for renumeration.

You put way to little stock in the value of the individual over the whole.  Every person's thoughts are valuable, even if you don't value them.  Someone does.

BTW if the designers did actually follow this criticism and mod this DLC somehow I would be happy and apologetic or the first to complain I liked it better the other way

[NCRZombie]

Because it's not out yet, and you're nitpicking. My entire point was an effort to stop the latter and get you to look at how much work has gone into the rest of the DLC. According to you I missed your point and according to me you missed my point so we're obviously not on the same track. I'll explain mine in an easier to understand format, then.

So to you:

-Models suck

Things we don't know; models might suck because:

-They have some really good animations for some of the new abilities and this is where they pooled their resources.
-Their development resources went into the maps.
-The new abilities have to be animated as well.
-New game mode: They have to program this escorts AI I'm sure so he doesn't run into walls and cause problems.
-Numerous other bug fixes people have been complaining about for the past month.

They may have pooled their resources into other areas, and while I don't think anything's wrong with any of the DLC I've been making a point of a 'bigger picture' this entire time after the initial rave.

I'm sure this would've been initially averted if the post was just a simple 'IMO', "I'm not a big fan of the new models they look like re-skins." It's the extra fluff and 'criticism' in the post that makes the sirens blare, "Hey hold up now." as opposed to just a, "Well that's your opinion."

"You can do better BioWare" Is the biggest firestarter. Maybe their modelers were busy, and that's all they had to work with at the time. You have to pay these people for their work, and if they're busy working on SP DLC you can't much expect them to abandon that to work in some MP models when they can cobble together something that looks fairly good IMO.

It's all about manpower and resources. For all you know the MP DLC could be being developed by anywhere from 10 people to 100. Bigger picture, but still relevant to the topic.

Modifié par NCRZombie, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:59 .

[Lucifuture]

And I am done with work, see you guys on MP

[Doc-Jek]

Damn that Bioware, making the free DLC not pretty enough.


Edit: I lied, I think they look cool. I was really just thinly veiling my disappointment at the ridiculousness of this topic.

Modifié par Doc-Jek, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:01 .

[darkblade]

I get you criticism.

But people have thought about playing as a phantom for a while. Not they get a phantom an anti phantom.

The engineer looks Badazz.

[DiebytheSword]

Lucifuture wrote...

BTW if the designers did actually follow this criticism and mod this DLC somehow I would be happy and apologetic or the first to complain I liked it better the other way

I happen to like what they've assembled out of spare parts as well.  So I don't agree with his criticisms entirely, but I'll defend his right to express them.

Its not just his criticism anyway, others have voiced it as well in the past DLCs, and more importatnly DA2, which makes the criticism that much more relevant.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Kyerea wrote...
Last I checked, all the characters in the MP are just recycled body-parts from the SP NPCs. We also get these DLCs for free. So I for one, would prefer to not complain about BW's generosity if at all possible.

THANKS FOR THE COOL AND FREE STUFF BIOWARE, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! ESPECIALLY THE NEW ABILITIES! LOVE 'EM!

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
You are getting free dlc which looks fantastic and content rich, stop whining.

I'm going to give you guys terrible cookies, but hey it's free you can't go complaining about it. 
Contrary to what you think he has the right to critisize even when it's free.

Also...

I don't have to eat the free terrible cookies you give me. He doesn't have to play the free terrible (according to him, anyway) DLC BioWare gives you.

If someone gives you something for free, the proper response is to say thank you, even if it's not something you particularly wanted. It's called manners.

Y'all could use some.

[Bolo Xia]

alot of people want to play character's that look like their favorite/cool looking NPC characters.
as far as art style... they are sticking to their game worlds style, even if some things look like minor variations of other things.
if they made things look different to much then the game would feel like a cluster F...*cough*Grenade with a bunch of crap that doesnt go together.

there has been plenty of games criticized, because their art looked out of place with each other.

oh and the harrier, guess what it is a modified mattlock so go figure they look similar.

so ya im with the others that are saying this is a *facepalm* thread.

[Kyerea]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Kyerea wrote...
Last I checked, all the characters in the MP are just recycled body-parts from the SP NPCs. We also get these DLCs for free. So I for one, would prefer to not complain about BW's generosity if at all possible.

THANKS FOR THE COOL AND FREE STUFF BIOWARE, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! ESPECIALLY THE NEW ABILITIES! LOVE 'EM!

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
You are getting free dlc which looks fantastic and content rich, stop whining.

I'm going to give you guys terrible cookies, but hey it's free you can't go complaining about it. 
Contrary to what you think he has the right to critisize even when it's free.

Also...

I don't have to eat the free terrible cookies you give me. He doesn't have to play the free terrible (according to him, anyway) DLC BioWare gives you.

If someone gives you something for free, the proper response is to say thank you, even if it's not something you particularly wanted. It's called manners.

Y'all could use some.

My hero.

[Poison_Berrie]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I don't have to eat the free terrible cookies you give me. He doesn't have to play the free terrible (according to him, anyway) DLC BioWare gives you.

If someone gives you something for free, the proper response is to say thank you, even if it's not something you particularly wanted. It's called manners.

Y'all could use some.

So you wouldn't even mention the cookies being terrible? Now you leave me in ignorance of how I shouldn't make cookies.

No, this isn't about manners. The opening post goes on to say how he appreciates BioWare doing this for free and he doesn't doubt that in terms of gameplay they will be very cool.

He just thinks they should have put a little more effort into making things look less like reskins.
He's not making any demands or anything, he's just leveling a little bit of criticism and people are all over the OP with silly arguments that you can't say anything because it's free and that you have to be an expert on a subject to even dare criticise. 

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:28 .

[CoddyXD]

Seriously how many different weapons could you design before they started to look samey or you went mental and started giving them little flags and pointy bits no real weapon would ever have.

As for chars. Humans have a basic genetic shape they can hardly start adding tails or horns or summit. Plus ppl wanted to play with a phantom like char and kasumi is cool too.

As human chars go they add something new to mp so stop crying.

[Rodia Driftwood]

Don't forget one of the new classes is wearing a black Terminus Armor. I don't mind it, though. Immersive or not, I like the idea of using abilities and "skins" from our heroes and..Kai Leng. This is not a flaw, it's a privilege.

[sclera]

This is my problem with the DLC:

http://tvtropes.org/...Main/RuleOfCool

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Maybe they re-used because... you know... It looks good to begin with, makes sense, etc.

But NOOOO!!! Everything has to be unique/different/new, blah blah blah. Whine & whine and I'll throw some cheese at you.

[Fluffeh Kitteh]

I want a reskinned EDI fembot engineer class.

'sides I don't mind reskins, they've always been part and parcel of Mass Effect. Maybe it's become unbearable to some but I'm still in the okay zone.

Modifié par Fluffeh Kitteh, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:26 .

[AwesomeBabyLion]

I can understand what your trying to do here OP and I respect that, though you should be aware that the line between a realist and a pessimist is a thin one =)

That said, yes it looks like reskins. Can't really say I mind though, as the playstyle and uniqueness of the characters are what I'm interested in. Would I pay 20 USD for them to make a MP DLC with new models and powers, modes, etc? Yes I would. Would I pay the same for a MP DLC with all the above, only with reskins? Yes, I would. I am a sheep. Baaah.

I get that reskins are annoying for people and I respect that, but for me, it matters little as long as they play differently.

[ZLurps]

I'm not fan of more taking to design more "comic bookyish" style, like it appears to be in promo pics.