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[DiebytheSword]

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Be grateful, you scumbag. This is the best dlc up to date

While your opinion is valid, calling him an ungrateful scumbag was uncalled for, as well as patently false.

[Alexarrolt]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Well, the point is that I am judging the cover, not the book, so I'd say I am good to go even without the DLC being in my game yet.

Just because the cover might be ugly doesn't mean I can't enjoy the book, I am going to have lot's of fun with he new classes/weapons ... I just don't like looking at them.

Okay as long as your not saying 'Oh it wont be good becuase of a few pics ' then its fine.I'm just fed up of people who do that. 

ntrisley wrote...

Alexarrolt wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Calm down. I'm not asking to get money back, have people fired or anything, I am giving criticism. Not positive one, sure, but it is honest criticism. They can read it and then decide what to make of it. The devs have always stressed the helpfulness of criticism, now I am giving them some.

I understand constructive critisium but the DLC is not even out yet you cannot judge a book by its cover.The DLC might even be subject to chance.
Angry? I dont get angry I just get argumentative.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

In this case, you can actually judge a book by its cover.

Because you're judging the cover.

What?

[ntrisley]

Alexarrolt wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Well, the point is that I am judging the cover, not the book, so I'd say I am good to go even without the DLC being in my game yet.

Just because the cover might be ugly doesn't mean I can't enjoy the book, I am going to have lot's of fun with he new classes/weapons ... I just don't like looking at them.

Okay as long as your not saying 'Oh it wont be good becuase of a few pics ' then its fine.I'm just fed up of people who do that. 

ntrisley wrote...

Alexarrolt wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Calm down. I'm not asking to get money back, have people fired or anything, I am giving criticism. Not positive one, sure, but it is honest criticism. They can read it and then decide what to make of it. The devs have always stressed the helpfulness of criticism, now I am giving them some.

I understand constructive critisium but the DLC is not even out yet you cannot judge a book by its cover.The DLC might even be subject to chance.
Angry? I dont get angry I just get argumentative.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

In this case, you can actually judge a book by its cover.

Because you're judging the cover.

What?

This thread isn't about "This DLC will be bad because the art is bad!".
This thread is about the art itself.

Hence, "You can judge a book by its cover. Because you're judging the cover."

[xsdob]

Turians are re-skins of garus's armor in ME3. the original human sentinel class is just rosnekov material armor with recon hoods. All the infiltrators and engineers use regular N7 default shepard armor. Soliders and Vanguards use Defender armor with death mask. Batarians use the dualist armor model from ME1 and simply recolored and re-textured it. Krogan Vanguards use rage armor model in ME1and retexture it. Salarians and Quarians, male and female, simply use the pre-exsisting defualt models from in the game, same goes for the vorcha as well, along with regular asari. Drell's are recolored versions of default thane for ME2.

About the only characters who did not look recycled and were made from scratch are the ex-cerberus and asari justicar classes.

These designs are wonderful because they add things we've seen in the single player game and re-invent them. The use of terminus, inferno, and the hanne-kedar/alenko armor hybrid is great because they look nice.

And the inclusion of the kasumi model, kai leng model, and phantom model look good as well. I don't see the problem here.

Hell, if they used skirmish/partisan armor models from the batarians in the MP I would love it, using resources previously seen in the series doesn't seem like a bad thing to me becuase mostly people are playing it to play as their favoirte race, to use the powers, or to look cool.

Modifié par xsdob, 11 juillet 2012 - 06:54 .

[Core_Commander]

ntrisley wrote...

"Top of the line human military gear" is that which Shepard wears is depicted as wearing from the very start just as a note.

They painted themselves, effectively, into a corner by using the various 'stock' armor permutations from single player I think.

Also:
Cerberus uses custom gear. They manufacture it themselves. Any examples of it used by Alliance forces is captured gear, not bought off the shelf.

Well, obviously there are variations of said gear. Kaidan's gear is also used by Engineer, variation of Ashley's jumpsuit/armor is used by Cerberus phantoms. It makes sense in that way, Cerberus (a human-centric group) would likely iterate on Alliance gear, and sometimes even alien gear instead of building their own from scratch. Example: Mattock being upgraded into Harrier, Raptor being based on a turian rifle, Centurions using Mattocks, Engineers with Phalanxes.

When a "new" look is needed, BW went for that (batarian/turian/asari weapons). Cerberus had a human-like looks from the start, using gear based on human military. Now we get more human military, that's all.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 11 juillet 2012 - 06:50 .

[eye basher]

i don't care how it looks only how it plays.

[uzivatel]

Even the weapons in the original game are guilty of reusing parts of the design (Phalanx > Eagle, Falcon > Valkyrie, Raptor > Saber, Graal > Striker, Eviscerator > Crusader) and the Spectre weapons are simply recolours, but at least those weapons look good on their own.

That new Saber / Eviscrerator combo looks silly (shotgun with bi-pod and heavy barrel? I really want to see the description) and that Valkyrie with pieces of material added to random places is just plain ugly.

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

"Free content"

Complain about the look of it.

Thats just wrong. Look at what happened to Team Fortress 2 / Battlefield Heroes.

And its not like ME3 and the MP are free in the first place. This new content may be at no extra cost, but that alone does not mean the devs should get away with just about everything. Should we just ignore all the bugs and glitches of the DLC characters / maps, because "hey, its free"?

Modifié par uzivatel, 11 juillet 2012 - 06:53 .

[NCRZombie]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Cypher61 wrote...

[...]

I respect the OP's comments, he has the absolute right to make them. But i have to disagree with his statements.

If Bioware were to create new models for every DLC, it would cost.  And I guarentee if people had to pay for multiplayer DLC, there would be people complaining about it, so damned if you do, damned if you don't.

More than that I do and can not ask for. I can always agree on me and others disagreeing as long as opinions are treated fairly and openminded. Thank you.

A thing which is sadly not so common nowadays as some responses in this topic have proven.

Here's an opinion then.

Gamers today; a lot of games today at least are entitled and bratty. There will always be someone who complains about what they're being given regarldless of what it is or what the cost. If they'd have released new models, animations, and put 500% more effort into all their DLC and it was still free people would still complain.

Todays generation and especially the sense of entitlement in the Mass Effect forums makes me feel uneasy and somewhat ashamed by association.

BioWare made a lot of mistakes in recent times but they've also been trying to fix them. I'm not blowing smoke up BioWare's skirt here but look at some simple facts.

-Constant changes made from what seems to be community request.
-An active team that keeps in touch with it's users whether it be through answering questions or giving us news about things that are happening with the game.
-Free content that someone somewhere actually sat down and took time to work on that you're getting for doing nothing but owning the game. Mass Effect 3 MP was solid before the DLC came out it was seriously a full package and they never had to release extra DLC for it.

This is rare in the triple A gaming community these days. That's only the kind of personal attention you get with indie-games and small-knit communities, but at least they're trying. Putting, "Oh I'm not ungrateful but..." for anything isn't helping.  Recently I lost a lot of personal items in a house-fire including my old computer. The community reached-out to me and gave me plenty of help that I didn't even ask for and some of these things included a coupon to a Dell Outlet store.

Let me make it painfully clear that I hate Dell computers. I do not like them nor will I ever. Somebody gave me a card for a Dell computer though, and I was the most grateful I could've ever been. Regardless of my opinion of the actual product it was an amazingly kind gesture and I will NEVER in my life complain about the computer that I got. It's wrong; that's all it is. I feel it's wrong to speak out against that and if you have to complain about a free product then actually do something about it; you deserve absolutely nothing more than what BioWare has already given us.

You start to learn to appreciate some things after having been a gamer when you really work hard at owning the games you play. You're just being entitled otherwise. Offer suggestions, but don't throw the new DLC under the bus to make a point.

BioWare it at least making an effort for the community and all they ever get is some brat (This isn't singling anyone out that's just how it is. Doesn't matter what they've done as of recent someone will complain about it.) telling them how much they **** up everything. At least they're not a company that made you pay $60 then forgot about it's online community.

Yes the MP is buggy, and yes it can be frustrating at times. If you look at the Patch notes as of recent, though, they're making an effort to quash them one at a time.

>>>IMO<<<

Modifié par NCRZombie, 11 juillet 2012 - 06:59 .

[Aethyl]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Alexarrolt wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Calm down. I'm not asking to get money back, have people fired or anything, I am giving criticism. Not positive one, sure, but it is honest criticism. They can read it and then decide what to make of it. The devs have always stressed the helpfulness of criticism, now I am giving them some.

I understand constructive critisium but the DLC is not even out yet you cannot judge a book by its cover.The DLC might even be subject to chance.
Angry? I dont get angry I just get argumentative.

Well, the point is that I am judging the cover, not the book, so I'd say I am good to go even without the DLC being in my game yet.

Just because the cover might be ugly doesn't mean I can't enjoy the book, I am going to have lot's of fun with he new classes/weapons ... I just don't like looking at them.

As always, it's a point of view, and I respect it.
Personally, I am quite pleased with those designs, especially the fact that they used the pilot helmet from the Space battle, which I actually quite liked.

The fact is, those operatives are N7 graded, just like Shepard is, so them having the same set of armors (talking about the Terminus Devastator and the Inferno Paladin there) makes some sense.
The Engineer, being of alliance ( and cerberus for the engineers) design since it's used on vega in SP is understandable too.

About the rest, of course it makes less sense and is much more discutable, a biotic Kasumi, a Kai leng wannabee, a Phantom clone.

The phantom set is actually seen on two of your teammates in the SP (liara and ashe alternates outfits) so we can assume they can also be used by N7 operatives.
Especially knowing the set we have here is the one from Liara and Ashe, since it doesn't have the little difference the phantom ones have.
About the fact that they are also using sword, well maybe this very training program was conceived by Cerberus scientists defector, which took their Phantom knowledge to boost our Alliance troops. (:happy:)

Same goes for the Kei lang wannabees.

The kasumi hoody, thief like, is even less "lore friendly", and I can't find any reason for it, still liking the final design tho.

[Alexarrolt]

ntrisley wrote...

Alexarrolt wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Well, the point is that I am judging the cover, not the book, so I'd say I am good to go even without the DLC being in my game yet.

Just because the cover might be ugly doesn't mean I can't enjoy the book, I am going to have lot's of fun with he new classes/weapons ... I just don't like looking at them.

Okay as long as your not saying 'Oh it wont be good becuase of a few pics ' then its fine.I'm just fed up of people who do that. 

ntrisley wrote...

Alexarrolt wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Calm down. I'm not asking to get money back, have people fired or anything, I am giving criticism. Not positive one, sure, but it is honest criticism. They can read it and then decide what to make of it. The devs have always stressed the helpfulness of criticism, now I am giving them some.

I understand constructive critisium but the DLC is not even out yet you cannot judge a book by its cover.The DLC might even be subject to chance.
Angry? I dont get angry I just get argumentative.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

In this case, you can actually judge a book by its cover.

Because you're judging the cover.

What?

This thread isn't about "This DLC will be bad because the art is bad!".
This thread is about the art itself.

Hence, "You can judge a book by its cover. Because you're judging the cover."

As I have already posted I mis-understood the thread as 
"This DLC will be bad because the art is bad!". When i read it .But anyway you really cant judge a book by its cover...

[Alexarrolt]

Aethyl wrote...

As always, it's a point of view, and I respect it.

Agreed=]

[ntrisley]

Core_Commander wrote...

ntrisley wrote...

"Top of the line human military gear" is that which Shepard wears is depicted as wearing from the very start just as a note.

They painted themselves, effectively, into a corner by using the various 'stock' armor permutations from single player I think.

Also:
Cerberus uses custom gear. They manufacture it themselves. Any examples of it used by Alliance forces is captured gear, not bought off the shelf.

Well, obviously there are variations of said gear. Kaidan's gear is also used by Engineer, variation of Ashley's jumpsuit/armor is used by Cerberus phantoms. It makes sense in that way, Cerberus (a human-centric group) would likely iterate on Alliance gear, and sometimes even alien gear instead of building their own from scratch. Example: Mattock being upgraded into Harrier, Raptor being based on a turian rifle, Centurions using Mattocks, Engineers with Phalanxes.

When a "new" look is needed, BW went for that (batarian/turian/asari weapons). Cerberus had a human-like looks from the start, using gear based on human military. Now we get more human military, that's all.

Again.

That's the problem.
It's human military, not Cerberus.
Do you see what I'm getting at here?

There's no reason for us to get "Alliance Phantoms" or "Alliance Sith Sorcerers". If they want them to have lighter armor, there's the Marine variant gear which Kaidan and Vega can wear.

[sp0ck 06]

Seriously OP? This is a massive, FREE update. If this was CoD or Gears it would cost at least 10$. They are adding maps, completely new characters with NEW POWERS, a new game mode, and an entirely new level of difficulty...

And you're complaining that the new models are reskins? Who gives a crap? And besides, wouldn't that make sense in-universe? Using the same armor and weapons?

[PencilManners]

tbh im not sure about the kasumi class, and none of the weapons stood out to me, so I agree with you to some point, but I do think the other classes look quite cool despite not being original.

[Knubbsal]

I'd change two things:

- Something more N7 than a glowing skull mask for the adept. I can imagine Indiana Jones trying to steal her head from her neck.
- Give the engineer a different helmet, the current one has been used already. Kestrel helmet with a closed mouthpiece would look great.

Apart from that, the characters look unique enough for multiplayer. I like them.

[Aethyl]

ntrisley wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

ntrisley wrote...

"Top of the line human military gear" is that which Shepard wears is depicted as wearing from the very start just as a note.

They painted themselves, effectively, into a corner by using the various 'stock' armor permutations from single player I think.

Also:
Cerberus uses custom gear. They manufacture it themselves. Any examples of it used by Alliance forces is captured gear, not bought off the shelf.

Well, obviously there are variations of said gear. Kaidan's gear is also used by Engineer, variation of Ashley's jumpsuit/armor is used by Cerberus phantoms. It makes sense in that way, Cerberus (a human-centric group) would likely iterate on Alliance gear, and sometimes even alien gear instead of building their own from scratch. Example: Mattock being upgraded into Harrier, Raptor being based on a turian rifle, Centurions using Mattocks, Engineers with Phalanxes.

When a "new" look is needed, BW went for that (batarian/turian/asari weapons). Cerberus had a human-like looks from the start, using gear based on human military. Now we get more human military, that's all.

Again.

That's the problem.
It's human military, not Cerberus.
Do you see what I'm getting at here?

There's no reason for us to get "Alliance Phantoms" or "Alliance Sith Sorcerers". If they want them to have lighter armor, there's the Marine variant gear which Kaidan and Vega can wear.

Actually, it's N7 operatives, just like our Shepard is.
And our shepard isn't always seen wearing military grade armors, he can even wear cerberus armor or a variant of the collector's one.
Those are special units from the military, which can actually wear what they want, having less restraints from the higher authorities.
And as I said, the phantom's armor has an alliance variant, which is the one used here.

Modifié par Aethyl, 11 juillet 2012 - 07:02 .

[The Waffle Cat]

DiebytheSword wrote...

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Be grateful, you scumbag. This is the best dlc up to date

While your opinion is valid, calling him an ungrateful scumbag was uncalled for, as well as patently false.

Guy has been whining for 2 days now about this dlc, he should be gratefull

[godlike13]

Don't really care that they recycled designs, but i just hate the Kai Leng coattails.

[xsdob]

Sorry to be that guy but the reegar and collector rifle don't look the same to me, certainly not close enough to start calling them a reskin.

[Aseyka]

My two cents, a penny for each point:

Design in the ME games has always followed a logical progression. The Harrier SHOULD look like a modified Mattock, because that's what it IS. Turian weapons look Turian. Complaining about following the design philosophy is, in my opinion, ignoring that the universe is complete. Humans are going to always look like humans, and if they're wearing armor, they're going to wear variations of the established armor. All tech in the universe is primarily derived from mass effect use; expecting that the change is ignoring the rules of the universe as have been established.

As to the "free" versus "pay"... the DLC is free, yes, but don't fool yourself. Just because you or I don't spend MS points on packs doesn't mean the majority out there isn't doing just that. They keep producing DLC because this is a cash cow. That's neither good nor bad, but don't imagine for a second BioWare is giving us "free" DLC because they love us. They may well love us, but EA, at least, wants our monies

[Uchimura]

Sure, these models aren't 'new'. But they've always been good. There was a lot of variety in SP and they're just copy pasting some to MP, which was more or less inevitable. Not really seeing the issue.. (except the demolisher helm is redundant within MP ): )

The Harrier is not a reskinned Mattock, it's just in a similar style.

[Atheosis]

If they didn't use established bits of human tech for their armor it'd be kind of weird if you ask me. They look good. Why nitpick like this?

Modifié par Atheosis, 11 juillet 2012 - 07:01 .