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[GenericUserName9]

I'm starting to believe that there was some merit in that crack about Mass Effect fans being "entitled".

[Kyerea]

Last I checked, all the characters in the MP are just recycled body-parts from the SP NPCs. We also get these DLCs for free. So I for one, would prefer to not complain about BW's generosity if at all possible.


THANKS FOR THE COOL AND FREE STUFF BIOWARE, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! ESPECIALLY THE NEW ABILITIES! LOVE 'EM!

Modifié par Kyerea, 11 juillet 2012 - 08:55 .

[rdnanez]

yeah this thread is stupid.

[Core_Commander]

ntrisley wrote...

And you just proved my point.

Kai Leng, if that was "his skill set" is not someone who was trained to be a ninja by the military.

This isn't Metal Gear Solid.

Okay. And yet in every Mass Effect game so far, some of the deadliest enemies there are... are those that close the distance rapidly and attack in melee. It works. In the game we already have omni-blades, bayonets (hey, bayonets are essentially tiny swords, you know), electro prods, batarian glove of decapitation and spiky armor, krogan charge has been the stuff of nightmares since Therum in ME1, but a SWORD? "Lolol ninjas omg zomg so silly".

You seem adamant that there isn't hand-to-hand program in Alliance Special forces that may use swords (hi-tech swords that cut through a krogan's armor and hide, not rusty gladius, mind you). I can only ask "how do you know that".

We have all the other examples of melee being prevalent in ME universe, why do you draw the line at small swords (that can cut armor) wielded by people who can rapidly close into melee (by use of cloaking devices) that are shown to work in-game?

Modifié par Core_Commander, 11 juillet 2012 - 08:56 .

[BloodClaw95]

ARTISTIC INTEGRITY

[NCRZombie]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Gee, so many people that don't know the difference between criticism and whining.

It's refined whining.

Criticism: This should be changed.

Whining: Wah! this sucks; change it!

[ntrisley]

NCRZombie wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Gee, so many people that don't know the difference between criticism and whining.

It's refined whining.

Criticism: This should be changed.

Whining: Wah! this sucks; change it!

Then by that logic, praise is a refined version of sucking-up.

Criticism is not done in a knee-jerk fashion, as whining traditionally is done.

[Knubbsal]

Core_Commander wrote...

Knubbsal wrote...

I'd change two things:

- Something more N7 than a glowing skull mask for the adept. I can imagine Indiana Jones trying to steal her head from her neck.
- Give the engineer a different helmet, the current one has been used already. Kestrel helmet with a closed mouthpiece would look great.

Apart from that, the characters look unique enough for multiplayer. I like them.

You're right, man! "Glowing skull masks"? In my Mass Effect?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!

What have they done with the art direction? What the hell are you thinking, Bioware?? Wh... wait... wait a minute...



Oh.

That's a variation of ME1 armor, by the way. Kaidan's wearing a mask like that on any planet with hostile conditions.

Read. I said "more N7", not "more Mass Effect". Don't tell me you think a glowy halloween mask is suitable for the most respectable soldiers of the Alliance and even have it as standard gear for adepts. But of course you are going to say now, since this is the internet.

Also, since you didn't understand: I made the Indiana Jones referance since I believe it looks like the crystal skull from the movie. Yeah, amazing conspiracy right there. Don't get too excited making up things next time.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Let's not jump to conclusions. If he pays real $ for packs, he has a right to express his criticisms, as he is effectively financing this free DLC.

If he hasn't paid real $ for packs, then shame on him for criticizing this free DLC that has been effectively financed by others.

[NCRZombie]

ntrisley wrote...

NCRZombie wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Gee, so many people that don't know the difference between criticism and whining.

It's refined whining.

Criticism: This should be changed.

Whining: Wah! this sucks; change it!

Then by that logic, praise is a refined version of sucking-up.

Criticism is not done in a knee-jerk fashion, as whining traditionally is done.

I do both (criticize and whine) to be honest with you and it depends on how much the problem bothers me. Both can be knee-jerk and on the same level.

And by the logic it depends on what ends you seek. Praise may be handed out as a genuine compliment; sucking-up generally has a different motive such as personal gain.

Whining and Criticism can be much more similar because they usually want the same thing, it's just how they go about it that defines which is the former or latter.

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I reckon myself squarely in
the calm, objective part. According to your scale that makes it
criticism. So where's the problem if I pass by your standards.

The fact that the DLC isn't out yet. That's my biggest issue; it should be reserved until you get the full package considering you haven't really seen the maps or what kind of new animations they may have put into the game. Models may not be up to par with your standards, but what about everything else in this pack? The Modifications are all new textures.

Modifié par NCRZombie, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[NCRZombie]

Ignore me being absent-minded and double posting. ^

Modifié par NCRZombie, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:25 .

[A Wild Snorlax]

You are getting free dlc which looks fantastic and content rich, stop whining.

[NCRZombie]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I am only criticizing the artistic designs. And those we know already, how many times do I have to repeat that? How hard is it to understand that, serious ...

What of the new maps, though? That's technically part of the artistic vision for this DLC. Like I said take it as a whole package. From what I've seen so far the DLC maps are all fairly varied and nice; other than a certain black sheep... Condor...

[ntrisley]

NCRZombie wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I am only criticizing the artistic designs. And those we know already, how many times do I have to repeat that? How hard is it to understand that, serious ...

What of the new maps, though? That's technically part of the artistic vision for this DLC. Like I said take it as a whole package. From what I've seen so far the DLC maps are all fairly varied and nice; other than a certain black sheep... Condor...

You'll notice that he didn't really make any mention of the maps in his complaint.

Do you want him to specifically state "Character art/design"? 

[Lucifuture]

People will always find something to cry about even if you get something nice for free. If every person in the world was magically blessed with immortality (that you could renounce and die if you wanted) and super powers people would still find something to b**** about.

[Core_Commander]

Knubbsal wrote...

Read. I said "more N7", not "more Mass Effect". Don't tell me you think a glowy halloween mask is suitable for the most respectable soldiers of the Alliance and even have it as standard gear for adepts. But of course you are going to say now, since this is the internet.

Also, since you didn't understand: I made the Indiana Jones referance since I believe it looks like the crystal skull from the movie. Yeah, amazing conspiracy right there. Don't get too excited making up things next time.

You read. I said *Kaidan* has a mask like that while wearing most armors in hostile conditions in Mass Effect 1 (so does male Shepard, by the way). He is wearing a similar helmet on Mass Effect 2 intro (onboard Normandy SR-1). It seems like you only glanced at the picture and you tell me to read?

I don't need to say anything, you can fire either of those games and see respectable soldiers of the Alliance (hard to find soldiers more respectable than the first and second human Spectres, I guess?) wearing "skull masks", complete with glowing eyes, in both of those games. But of course you are still going to deny it, since this is the internet. Right?



AMAGAD SKULLS RUN MUST BE AN EVIL CULT

Modifié par Core_Commander, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .

[ntrisley]

Lucifuture wrote...

People will always find something to cry about even if you get something nice for free. If every person in the world was magically blessed with immortality (that you could renounce and die if you wanted) and super powers people would still find something to b**** about.

You see this post?

This post is why the Internet is regarded as a cesspit of ill-informed individuals who could not articulate an argument if their life depended upon it.

[NCRZombie]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

NCRZombie wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I am only criticizing the artistic designs. And those we know already, how many times do I have to repeat that? How hard is it to understand that, serious ...

What of the new maps, though? That's technically part of the artistic vision for this DLC. Like I said take it as a whole package. From what I've seen so far the DLC maps are all fairly varied and nice; other than a certain black sheep... Condor...

Was I talking about the maps?

I don't see me talking about the maps? Let's see ... I have named ... character designs ... weapon designs ... hmm, no maps. Funny, I don't see maps. Where do you?


That is exactly the problem the majority seems to have. They are putting words/implications into my mouth where there were none.

Then it's just unwarranted nitpicking; if you honestly can't take the time to appreciate the other things from the DLC they're giving us you're being exactly that entitled stereotype people like to throw around. Double that by the fact that again, none of it has come out yet.

You act as if you're some sort of victim of forum abuse, "Oh you put words in my mouth."

No sir!

I was bringing up another point that is fairly relevant to the talk of artistic design of the DLC that's coming out. If you want to sit here and get on to people for missing your point be ready for people to bring up multiple relevant points outside of your own. It's damning to see you call out people for not being open-minded and then shortly thereafter think someone put words in your mouth after trying to broaden the discussion.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Let's not jump to conclusions. If he pays real $ for packs, he has a right to express his criticisms, as he is effectively financing this free DLC.

If he hasn't paid real $ for packs, then shame on him for criticizing this free DLC that has been effectively financed by others.

Don't pay for packs. Still have all the right to voice my criticism as long as it's substantiated. That's correct application of freedom of speech for you.

Designs cost money.  Brand new designs cost substantially more than modifications of, or additions to, existing designs.  Your argument is that BioWare could "do better than this".  Yes, they probably could if they had unlimited time and resources.  But they don't.  And since you've admitted that you aren't actively contributing to BioWare's revenue at this point, I really don't care to hear your opinion that the designs should be better.