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[Poison_Berrie]

Kyerea wrote...
Last I checked, all the characters in the MP are just recycled body-parts from the SP NPCs. We also get these DLCs for free. So I for one, would prefer to not complain about BW's generosity if at all possible.

THANKS FOR THE COOL AND FREE STUFF BIOWARE, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! ESPECIALLY THE NEW ABILITIES! LOVE 'EM!

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
You are getting free dlc which looks fantastic and content rich, stop whining.

I'm going to give you guys terrible cookies, but hey it's free you can't go complaining about it. 
Contrary to what you think he has the right to critisize even when it's free.

Also...


The Multiplayer is funded two ways. The initial price you pay for the game and microtransactions. 
The development of the MP and initial infrastructure investements are no doubt covered with the games initial purchase. Further funding comes from free2play style microtransactions from the store. 
In essence the MP is setup as a f2p game with in initial entrance cost.

Given the single horde gametype, random store packs and 3 enemy types, the only thing this game has really going for itself is the variety in classes and weapons for people to play around with. If you and had to pay for you DLC and then had to wait for the stores RNG to give you a lot less people would be playing the game now. 
Yes it's nice of them to give this for free, but it's also good business and good PR. 

[Lucifuture]

ntrisley wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

People will always find something to cry about even if you get something nice for free. If every person in the world was magically blessed with immortality (that you could renounce and die if you wanted) and super powers people would still find something to b**** about.

You see this post?

This post is why the Internet is regarded as a cesspit of ill-informed individuals who could not articulate an argument if their life depended upon it.

Cry some more cry baby.

[PSYCHOxMONSTER]

the things you said are not immersive, (vorcha and weapons) are immersive you just are being weird

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Kyerea wrote...
Last I checked, all the characters in the MP are just recycled body-parts from the SP NPCs. We also get these DLCs for free. So I for one, would prefer to not complain about BW's generosity if at all possible.

THANKS FOR THE COOL AND FREE STUFF BIOWARE, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! ESPECIALLY THE NEW ABILITIES! LOVE 'EM!

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
You are getting free dlc which looks fantastic and content rich, stop whining.

I'm going to give you guys terrible cookies, but hey it's free you can't go complaining about it. 
Contrary to what you think he has the right to critisize even when it's free.

Also...


The Multiplayer is funded two ways. The initial price you pay for the game and microtransactions. 
The development of the MP and initial infrastructure investements are no doubt covered with the games initial purchase. Further funding comes from free2play style microtransactions from the store. 
In essence the MP is setup as a f2p game with in initial entrance cost.

Given the single horde gametype, random store packs and 3 enemy types, the only thing this game has really going for itself is the variety in classes and weapons for people to play around with. If you and had to pay for you DLC and then had to wait for the stores RNG to give you a lot less people would be playing the game now. 
Yes it's nice of them to give this for free, but it's also good business and good PR. 

Yes, he has the legal right to criticize the DLC.  In the same vein, we have the right to criticize his criticism.

[Kyerea]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I am only criticizing the artistic designs. And those we know already, how many times do I have to repeat that? How hard is it to understand that, serious ...

You are NOW complaining about artistic design? How about all the recycled enemies in ME2? Or the recycled in ME1? Or the fact that our characters in the MP of ME3 are just recycled SP NPCs? The Krogan is literally Wrex's head on Grunt's body. Do I give a flying fvck? Of course not, the content is awesome, the abilities sound fun and amazing, new weapons, new mods, a new mission, new difficulty mode, new maps AND IT'S FREE.

It's not even OUT yet and you make a thread basically complaining about it. That's why people in this thread have such a problem with your post. It really seems like self-entitled whining at this point.

[AresKeith]

Kyerea wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I am only criticizing the artistic designs. And those we know already, how many times do I have to repeat that? How hard is it to understand that, serious ...

You are NOW complaining about artistic design? How about all the recycled enemies in ME2? Or the recycled in ME1? Or the fact that our characters in the MP of ME3 are just recycled SP NPCs? The Krogan is literally Wrex's head on Grunt's body. Do I give a flying fvck? Of course not, the content is awesome, the abilities sound fun and amazing, new weapons, new mods, a new mission, new difficulty mode, new maps AND IT'S FREE.

It's not even OUT yet and you make a thread basically complaining about it. That's why people in this thread have such a problem with your post. It really seems like self-entitled whining at this point.

This

[Oldzuu]

Kyerea wrote...


You are NOW complaining about artistic design? How about all the recycled enemies in ME2? Or the recycled in ME1? Or the fact that our characters in the MP of ME3 are just recycled SP NPCs? The Krogan is literally Wrex's head on Grunt's body. Do I give a flying fvck? Of course not, the content is awesome, the abilities sound fun and amazing, new weapons, new mods, a new mission, new difficulty mode, new maps AND IT'S FREE.

It's not even OUT yet and you make a thread basically complaining about it. That's why people in this thread have such a problem with your post. It really seems like self-entitled whining at this point.

It doesn't only "seem", it is.

[Lucifuture]

Do you do graphic design, or produce any sort of artwork yourself? Do you create anything what so ever? What sort of qualifications do you have so that people should value your criticisms? Just curious

[DiebytheSword]

Lucifuture wrote...

Do you do graphic design, or produce any sort of artwork yourself? Do you create anything what so ever? What sort of qualifications do you have so that people should value your criticisms? Just curious

By that same logic, no one had the right to criticise ME3's original endings unless they had produced a game at some point, lest their criticism be of no value and ill qualified.

I think some people in this threa (not the poster I'm responding to), need to get off the butthurt train.  A criticism was levied on art design based on the information provided so far.

He didn't demand a change.
He didn't demand a refund on free.
He didn't talk about how EA has ruined Bioware.
He didn't talk about how Bioware is now a has been, and dead in his eyes.

He talked about how he disliked recycled assets, which is a valid criticism.

[Acidrain92]

I find the re-used character skins to be acceptable. The weapons are another thing, but when it comes to the character skins one needs to remember that the multiplayer component of the game is handled by a different team than the singleplayer component. This makes me think that its a lot harder for the multiplayer team to come up with special class skins on their own, so all they can do is find skins from the singleplayer that were available to them and use those instead.

then again this is just me stupidly speculating. I really dont mind the re-used character skins. I think the concept of a biotic Kasumi look alike with a mask is awesome, a Phantom makes sense given the whole Cerberus traitors thing, and the other two classes look cool. They are altered in certain ways, so really who cares?

I really do think that this is nitpicking, considering each class has new powers presumably and all of the weapons act differently than past ones.

yeah. just nitpicking. no real big problems to see here.

[Lucifuture]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

Do you do graphic design, or produce any sort of artwork yourself? Do you create anything what so ever? What sort of qualifications do you have so that people should value your criticisms? Just curious

Read the topic, the entire thing, you'll find my answer.

Everybody has an opinion. I don't see any qualification making yours special. It is really easy to criticise the productions of other people or feel entitled. It is harder to be happy with or enjoy what you have.

I totally get the merit of what you are saying, but personally I am more than giddy about all the free extra content they develop for MP and can think of many other things I might moan about if I thought it would make a difference.

Also who cares if people validate your opinions/criticism anyway. Most people on the internet are just good at being jerks (myself included).

[AresKeith]

for the topic,

I think they use reskins is either they can't make new armor for them in time or there just lazy

I don't really mind them

[Lucifuture]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

Do you do graphic design, or produce any sort of artwork yourself? Do you create anything what so ever? What sort of qualifications do you have so that people should value your criticisms? Just curious

By that same logic, no one had the right to criticise ME3's original endings unless they had produced a game at some point, lest their criticism be of no value and ill qualified.

I think some people in this threa (not the poster I'm responding to), need to get off the butthurt train.  A criticism was levied on art design based on the information provided so far.

He didn't demand a change.
He didn't demand a refund on free.
He didn't talk about how EA has ruined Bioware.
He didn't talk about how Bioware is now a has been, and dead in his eyes.

He talked about how he disliked recycled assets, which is a valid criticism.

Valid in what sense? Valid that it makes sense? Anybody with an opinion can complain about anything successfully and make a rational argument about why they don't like something. Well anybody with an opinion and half a brain.

I think my points are two fold 1 Who cares, everybody has an opinion/ why should I care about your opinion and 2 complaining about something nice and free just sorta comes off as entitled and ****y.

[Sousabird]

Your complaint about the harrier irks me, it's an upgraded mattock the only difference is it's rof so nothing should be visibly changed to be honest

[Lucifuture]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

Do you do graphic design, or produce any sort of artwork yourself? Do you create anything what so ever? What sort of qualifications do you have so that people should value your criticisms? Just curious

By that same logic, no one had the right to criticise ME3's original endings unless they had produced a game at some point, lest their criticism be of no value and ill qualified.

I think some people in this threa (not the poster I'm responding to), need to get off the butthurt train.  A criticism was levied on art design based on the information provided so far.

He didn't demand a change.
He didn't demand a refund on free.
He didn't talk about how EA has ruined Bioware.
He didn't talk about how Bioware is now a has been, and dead in his eyes.

He talked about how he disliked recycled assets, which is a valid criticism.

Valid in what sense? Valid that it makes sense? Anybody with an opinion can complain about anything successfully and make a rational argument about why they don't like something. Well anybody with an opinion and half a brain.

I think my points are two fold 1 Who cares, everybody has an opinion/ why should I care about your opinion and 2 complaining about something nice and free just sorta comes off as entitled and ****y.

There seems to be a general discrepancy on how criticism is valued in here. I do not see criticism, any form of it, be it positive or negative, as some kind of punishment. It's an opportunity. I am not trying to harass them, I am trying to give a helping point of view.

Where's the entitlement or ****y in that? I am genuinely trying to give good counsel, not to simply be an ass and denounce all their work.

I think most people in here simply don't see it that way and interpret my post as an hostile action.

Not that Bioware is godly/legendary/perfect , or that they haven't already listened to a ridiculous amount of feedback already, but to me being a random smuck (myself) I would feel like a child trying to give advice to any sort of artist/professional who is clearly not a novice. Not to mention getting paid for it.  Also I am pretty sure Bioware pays people who probably gave the exact same good counsel you are trying to give.

And even then if I thought they wanted to hear my opinions, and then they delivered it would feel hollow. For example I was blown away that they let us have playable geth and vorcha. I was in my heart of hearts hoping for it. And when they came out with it I was super happy. If I had asked for it I think it would have been less rewarding.

But of course as always this is just my opinion and am probably appearing to make more of a fuss than I intend. I have a bad habit of overstating my opinions.

Modifié par Lucifuture, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:35 .

[Knubbsal]

Core_Commander wrote...
blah blah blah

If you didn't start the smartass comment about "your Mass Effect", we could've all been friendly. You could've just said you like the skull helmet, you know. Alas, have the other cheek. 

[Lucifuture]

I was perfectly happy with the original ending as a 100% completionist who loves both the hard and soft science fiction in the writing throughout the franchise, and I hope that I really like the extended cut so I feel bad about calling everybody cry babies (aside from the people who don't like the awesome multiplayer). And hopefully the same goes for all the feedback they use for the multiplayer which I love.

[DiebytheSword]

Lucifuture wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

Do you do graphic design, or produce any sort of artwork yourself? Do you create anything what so ever? What sort of qualifications do you have so that people should value your criticisms? Just curious

By that same logic, no one had the right to criticise ME3's original endings unless they had produced a game at some point, lest their criticism be of no value and ill qualified.

I think some people in this threa (not the poster I'm responding to), need to get off the butthurt train.  A criticism was levied on art design based on the information provided so far.

He didn't demand a change.
He didn't demand a refund on free.
He didn't talk about how EA has ruined Bioware.
He didn't talk about how Bioware is now a has been, and dead in his eyes.

He talked about how he disliked recycled assets, which is a valid criticism.

Valid in what sense? Valid that it makes sense? Anybody with an opinion can complain about anything successfully and make a rational argument about why they don't like something. Well anybody with an opinion and half a brain.

I think my points are two fold 1 Who cares, everybody has an opinion/ why should I care about your opinion and 2 complaining about something nice and free just sorta comes off as entitled and ****y.

There seems to be a general discrepancy on how criticism is valued in here. I do not see criticism, any form of it, be it positive or negative, as some kind of punishment. It's an opportunity. I am not trying to harass them, I am trying to give a helping point of view.

Where's the entitlement or ****y in that? I am genuinely trying to give good counsel, not to simply be an ass and denounce all their work.

I think most people in here simply don't see it that way and interpret my post as an hostile action.

Not that Bioware is godly/legendary/perfect , or that they haven't already listened to a ridiculous amount of feedback already, but to me being a random smuck (myself) I would feel like a child trying to give advice to any sort of artist/professional who is clearly not a novice. Not to mention getting paid for it.  Also I am pretty sure Bioware pays people who probably gave the exact same good counsel you are trying to give.

And even then if I thought they wanted to hear my opinions, and then they delivered it would feel hollow. For example I was blown away that they let us have playable geth and vorcha. I was in my heart of hearts hoping for it. And when they came out with it I was super happy. If I had asked for it I think it would have been less rewarding.

But of course as always this is just my opinion and am probably appearing to make more of a fuss than I intend. I have a bad habit of overstating my opinions.

Then you are of the opinion that additional feedback is not only not neccesary, but redundant?  If you make assumptions like that you will never have the perspective to hear the voice of the customer.

I work for a large corporation filled with people who are paid to give sage council.  Customers have no idea how to make our product, but their feedback is always welcome because it gives the company perspective that it may otherwise lack.

No one in their right mind would argue for recycled assets as a boon to the customer, but they would argue for it as a cost saving measure, a boon to the company.

That said, again, the criticism is something that Bioware would be interested in.  Thus your point becomes laughably reflective, no one cares what you think of Neofelis' opinion, but Bioware certainly care about what its customers have to say.

Nice and Free does not defend it from criticism, it defends it from demands for renumeration.

You put way to little stock in the value of the individual over the whole.  Every person's thoughts are valuable, even if you don't value them.  Someone does.

[Lucifuture]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Lucifuture wrote...

Do you do graphic design, or produce any sort of artwork yourself? Do you create anything what so ever? What sort of qualifications do you have so that people should value your criticisms? Just curious

By that same logic, no one had the right to criticise ME3's original endings unless they had produced a game at some point, lest their criticism be of no value and ill qualified.

I think some people in this threa (not the poster I'm responding to), need to get off the butthurt train.  A criticism was levied on art design based on the information provided so far.

He didn't demand a change.
He didn't demand a refund on free.
He didn't talk about how EA has ruined Bioware.
He didn't talk about how Bioware is now a has been, and dead in his eyes.

He talked about how he disliked recycled assets, which is a valid criticism.

Valid in what sense? Valid that it makes sense? Anybody with an opinion can complain about anything successfully and make a rational argument about why they don't like something. Well anybody with an opinion and half a brain.

I think my points are two fold 1 Who cares, everybody has an opinion/ why should I care about your opinion and 2 complaining about something nice and free just sorta comes off as entitled and ****y.

There seems to be a general discrepancy on how criticism is valued in here. I do not see criticism, any form of it, be it positive or negative, as some kind of punishment. It's an opportunity. I am not trying to harass them, I am trying to give a helping point of view.

Where's the entitlement or ****y in that? I am genuinely trying to give good counsel, not to simply be an ass and denounce all their work.

I think most people in here simply don't see it that way and interpret my post as an hostile action.

Not that Bioware is godly/legendary/perfect , or that they haven't already listened to a ridiculous amount of feedback already, but to me being a random smuck (myself) I would feel like a child trying to give advice to any sort of artist/professional who is clearly not a novice. Not to mention getting paid for it.  Also I am pretty sure Bioware pays people who probably gave the exact same good counsel you are trying to give.

And even then if I thought they wanted to hear my opinions, and then they delivered it would feel hollow. For example I was blown away that they let us have playable geth and vorcha. I was in my heart of hearts hoping for it. And when they came out with it I was super happy. If I had asked for it I think it would have been less rewarding.

But of course as always this is just my opinion and am probably appearing to make more of a fuss than I intend. I have a bad habit of overstating my opinions.

Then you are of the opinion that additional feedback is not only not neccesary, but redundant?  If you make assumptions like that you will never have the perspective to hear the voice of the customer.

I work for a large corporation filled with people who are paid to give sage council.  Customers have no idea how to make our product, but their feedback is always welcome because it gives the company perspective that it may otherwise lack.

No one in their right mind would argue for recycled assets as a boon to the customer, but they would argue for it as a cost saving measure, a boon to the company.

That said, again, the criticism is something that Bioware would be interested in.  Thus your point becomes laughably reflective, no one cares what you think of Neofelis' opinion, but Bioware certainly care about what its customers have to say.

Nice and Free does not defend it from criticism, it defends it from demands for renumeration.

You put way to little stock in the value of the individual over the whole.  Every person's thoughts are valuable, even if you don't value them.  Someone does.

LOL then by your own logic isn't my opinion then revalidated?