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Xilizhra wrote...

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As unfair as it is, F/F sells better than M/M.


F/F is more popular in real life so...







I assure you, the majority of the people who do the lesbian romances are dudes, not actual lesbians.

Because... there are more straight men than there are gay women. That's a meaningless statistic and I don't even know where you were going with it.


I don't know where I was going with it either. I misinterpreted his post.

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I think it's fair that FemShep has more F/F romances in comparison to ManShep, knowing that ManShep has FAR MORE heterosexual romance options than FemShep (especially since by ME3, FemShep can actually be devoid of hetero romances completely)

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Xilizhra wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Those Protheans wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

As unfair as it is, F/F sells better than M/M.


F/F is more popular in real life so...







I assure you, the majority of the people who do the lesbian romances are dudes, not actual lesbians.

Because... there are more straight men than there are gay women. That's a meaningless statistic and I don't even know where you were going with it.

Anyway, the ME team evidently had some kind of aversion to gay men that they just barely squeaked past in ME3, but their attitude regarding lesbians has never really been that much better. Comparatively speaking, F/F is a bit better off, but really, DA is much better for both.

They are not "female", as we see it. Sexuality is going to get more
complicated in the future if we ever encounter other species. I would
argue that the attraction would be there, but I would not consider it a
lesbian relationship.

It's not one from the asari point of view because asari don't make those kinds of distinctions, but from a human point of view, it's absolutely a lesbian relationship. Only those attracted to women would logically be attracted to asari. Trying to claim it doesn't count is a ridiculous handwave made by one evidently frightened idiot trying to do PR.


I agree with everything you said.

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o Ventus wrote...

 (especially since by ME3, FemShep can actually be devoid of hetero romances completely)


You forgot to mention that gay BroShep is/was all alone the first two games.

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Well, Bioware did royally screw up the M/M romances - we wouldn't have this debate about Bioware "making" pre-existing characters gay if they hadn't gone out to say that manShep was most definately heterosexual those years ago.
Plus, Cortez is rather silly (really? You just had to make him into a badass pilot unable to do his job unless he's in a relationship?)

Personally, I think bisexual characters work better given the very limited system we have - at present, you get the weird situation that Ash will be interested in Shepard regardless of who he is and what he does as long as he's a dude...I'd rather have romance conditional on plot choices regardless of Shepard's sex (yes, "sex", not "gender" - the two words are not interchangeable).

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Plus, Cortez is rather silly (really? You just had to make him into a badass pilot unable to do his job unless he's in a relationship?)

He seems to do his job well enough when not romanced.

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, Bioware did royally screw up the M/M romances - we wouldn't have this debate about Bioware "making" pre-existing characters gay if they hadn't gone out to say that manShep was most definately heterosexual those years ago.
Plus, Cortez is rather silly (really? You just had to make him into a badass pilot unable to do his job unless he's in a relationship?)


Lol. First of all, Kaidan never said he was interested in only women, right? And about Steve, you don't need to romance him in order to make him do his job. Your argument is invalid.

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Flog61 wrote...

Those Protheans wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

As unfair as it is, F/F sells better than M/M.


F/F is more popular in real life so...





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That's like saying 'Jocks are more popular in life than sceince nerds, so Tali shouldn't be a squadmate'.

I.e. it's non-sensical

:o Indeed terribly non sensical, Tali must be a squadmate at all times

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Beep Il wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, Bioware did royally screw up the M/M romances - we wouldn't have this debate about Bioware "making" pre-existing characters gay if they hadn't gone out to say that manShep was most definately heterosexual those years ago.
Plus, Cortez is rather silly (really? You just had to make him into a badass pilot unable to do his job unless he's in a relationship?)


Lol. First of all, Kaidan never said he was interested in only women, right? And about Steve, you don't need to romance him in order to make him do his job. Your argument is invalid.



But he never displayed any overtly homosexual mannerisms (for lack of a better word), and prior to ME3, he never really said anything to suggest a possible bisexuality.

At least, AFAIK anyway.

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o Ventus wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, Bioware did royally screw up the M/M romances - we wouldn't have this debate about Bioware "making" pre-existing characters gay if they hadn't gone out to say that manShep was most definately heterosexual those years ago.
Plus, Cortez is rather silly (really? You just had to make him into a badass pilot unable to do his job unless he's in a relationship?)


Lol. First of all, Kaidan never said he was interested in only women, right? And about Steve, you don't need to romance him in order to make him do his job. Your argument is invalid.



But he never displayed any overtly homosexual mannerisms (for lack of a better word), and prior to ME3, he never really said anything to suggest a possible bisexuality.

At least, AFAIK anyway.


Kaidan was always gay.  He just didn't have anyone to be gay with.

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But he never displayed any overtly homosexual mannerisms (for lack of a better word)

And this matters... why?

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krukow wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, Bioware did royally screw up the M/M romances - we wouldn't have this debate about Bioware "making" pre-existing characters gay if they hadn't gone out to say that manShep was most definately heterosexual those years ago.
Plus, Cortez is rather silly (really? You just had to make him into a badass pilot unable to do his job unless he's in a relationship?)


Lol. First of all, Kaidan never said he was interested in only women, right? And about Steve, you don't need to romance him in order to make him do his job. Your argument is invalid.



But he never displayed any overtly homosexual mannerisms (for lack of a better word), and prior to ME3, he never really said anything to suggest a possible bisexuality.

At least, AFAIK anyway.


Kaidan was always gay.  He just didn't have anyone to be gay with.


There was Shepard.

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Xilizhra wrote...

But he never displayed any overtly homosexual mannerisms (for lack of a better word)

And this matters... why?


Because for someone who didn't know better, they might think he was straight.

I know I did.

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Plus, Cortez is rather silly (really? You just had to make him into a badass pilot unable to do his job unless he's in a relationship?)

Didn't see you complaining when you had to babysit ME2 squad and solve their daddy issues, otherwise they would die in either ME2 or ME3

As for the topic, F/F romances obviously have the advantage over M/M romances because there's more of them AND they were present since day 1.

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Asari do not have vaginal cavities. They have something called an azure. They are not he same.

Besides, my Shepard was exploring another womans cavities.

*cough*

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .


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I know some people don't like the idea. But I think one of the good things about DA2 was that anybody could pick anybody else.

Yes, it's unrealistic that everybody is gay and/or bisexual. But video games (espiecally Mass Effect & DA) are not realistic. If you don't want to romance Ashley or whoever then you don't have to. Just because Kaidan is gay in one persons game doesn't mean he is gay in somebody else's. But I feel the option should be there. Especially in a game about choice.

That said, the romance machine needs to be better. There should be a clear romance dialogue option that starts it. ME2 was the worse for this. As a female I mostly play a femshep but wanted to give Manshep a try. I thought i was just being nice to Jack only to have her show up in my cabin. That was awkward

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o Ventus wrote...

But he never displayed any overtly homosexual mannerisms (for lack of a better word), and prior to ME3, he never really said anything to suggest a possible bisexuality.

At least, AFAIK anyway.


Aaaah! You've been corrupted by stereotypes! Kaidan was in ME1 like I'm always: It's not a big deal and I really shouldn't need to tell everyone I'm gay.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Asari do not have vaginal cavities. They have something called an azure. They are not he same.

Besides, my Shepard was exploring another womans cavities.

*cough*


The guy who designed the Banshees disagrees.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:04 .


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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Personally, I think bisexual characters work better given the very limited system we have - at present, you get the weird situation that Ash will be interested in Shepard regardless of who he is and what he does as long as he's a dude...I'd rather have romance conditional on plot choices regardless of Shepard's sex (yes, "sex", not "gender" - the two words are not interchangeable).


Ok, that's a little odd. Ash should be able to become bi if your FemShep is a good person? I get where you're going with the statement, but the characters have to be allowed boundaries too. Not every character needs to be able to have every potential relationship.

That being said, I thought the FemShep/Traynor romance was very well done, if brief. It starts superficially but gets much deeper over time.

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I thought ME3 handled the whole orientation thing quite well, actually. There were straight characters on the ship (Tali, Garrus, Vega), bi characters (Kaidan, Liara), gay characters (Traynor, Cortez), asexuals (Javik) and even a robosexual (Joker). Every group got represented.

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IsaacShep wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Plus, Cortez is rather silly (really? You just had to make him into a badass pilot unable to do his job unless he's in a relationship?)

Didn't see you complaining when you had to babysit ME2 squad and solve their daddy issues, otherwise they would die in either ME2 or ME3

As for the topic, F/F romances obviously have the advantage over M/M romances because there's more of them AND they were present since day 1.

uhh you talk to them once and do their mission and your done. with cortez you had to deal with him crying about his dead husband and then dragging him to the citadel so he can talk about his issues...... or he dies......... bizzare

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Asari do not have vaginal cavities. They have something called an azure. They are not he same.

Besides, my Shepard was exploring another womans cavities.

*cough*


"Azure" is just a slang term. There's nothing concrete either way, though I think it's safe to assume asari have something similar to female genitalia. The babies have to come from somewhere.

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o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Asari do not have vaginal cavities. They have something called an azure. They are not he same.

Besides, my Shepard was exploring another womans cavities.

*cough*


"Azure" is just a slang term. There's nothing concrete either way, though I think it's safe to assume asari have something similar to female genitalia. The babies have to come from somewhere.


No need for sexual intercourse.

It is not genitalia. It is a birthing canal, nothing more.

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Lol. First of all, Kaidan never said he was interested in only women, right?

So? I said that Bioware screwed up by publicly saying in an interview that ME1!man!Shep is heterosexual and most definitely not gay. Now people are crying retcon.

And about Steve, you don't need to romance him in order to make him do his job. Your argument is invalid.

I was under the impression that he does die if you don't.

Didn't see you complaining when you had to babysit ME2 squad and solve their daddy issues, otherwise they would die in either ME2 or ME3
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That's because you weren't around when ME2 was released. We had finished those discussions by 2011

Asari do not have vaginal cavities. They have something called an azure. They are not he same.

And how do you know this? All you have is a one-line comment by Liara on the name of a hotel.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Asari do not have vaginal cavities. They have something called an azure. They are not he same.

Besides, my Shepard was exploring another womans cavities.

*cough*


"Azure" is just a slang term. There's nothing concrete either way, though I think it's safe to assume asari have something similar to female genitalia. The babies have to come from somewhere.


No need for sexual intercourse.

It is not genitalia. It is a birthing canal, nothing more.


But they can have sex with (presumably) any race. We know krogan and humans can do it with asari, but I'm not sure abut the other species.