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[MACharlie1]

ForThessia wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

my point is that for the me2 squaddies you diddnt need to talk to them repeatedly if you diddnt want to before their mission to gain their loyalty so the time it takes to gain their loyalty is the length of their mission 20-30 mins tops.
Cortez however requires you to speak to him repeatedly. but you need to wait for the plot to progress before you can speak to him again, therefore making the task of making him loyal much more tedious as it can be hours of play between the conversations 

It's part of an RPG to see people and surroundings evolve. Or would you rather head to Earth directly after Eden Prime? Besides, it's not tedious at all and if it is tedious, don't talk to him. It's that simple.

i know that but if you diddnt like someone in me2 you had to deal with them for 20 mins and you were done

in me3 cortez requires you to constantly talk to him for him to survive, taking much more time to focus on keeping him alive than a character you diddnt like in me2

If it's not worth your time to talk to him, do you really care if he dies? 

id rather him live cuz i try to keep everyone alive but i forget to talk to him and when i do talk to him i need to hold his hand through the conversations( as far as ive gotten)

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not seeing the difference between him and every other character. Want to save Samara? Oh you to stop her from shooting herself. Want to save Mordin? have to sabotage the genophage and in turn kill Wrex. Go figure. 

[Siansonea]

Xilizhra wrote...

If anyone is attacking your preferred romance, it isn't me. I like the Liara romance. Two of Shepards went for Liara. But they're xenophiles. You can certainly count Liara as an f/f option, Liara is female after all, but you CANNOT count her as a HUMAN f/f option because she isn't human. That's really all I'm saying, and I don't understand how that can be interpreted as an attack on anyone or anything. ::shrugs::

Because many people have made insinuations before about Liara not being a woman, and while I admit this isn't the same argument as that, it's enough to trigger my emotional defense response.

And just think, this little misunderstanding is something else that we could avoid if we had Synthesis, but that's another story.

Synthesis? Why I oughtta...

Oh, I see what you did there. 

[LiquidGrape]

I do have a very particular problem with the Kelly romance beyond its proportional tininess, but it doesn't actually concern the character herself. I thought she was a quite sweet and very well acted addition to the series, with a lot of potential for growth. (which, sadly, ME3 didn't really deliver.)

That exotic dance in the Captain's quarters, however, felt a bit too male gaze-y for my tastes, even with a female character. There were better ways of illustrating Kelly's slightly kinky streak and inherent playfulness. The fade-to-black dinner scene, for example, could've been ideal for those purposes.
A friendly/flirty chat over a shared meal with the potential of leading into something more intimate, all depending on Shepard's interest or lack thereof? It would've been a great opportunity even for Shepards with no romantic interest in Kelly to get to know her better.

Because as opposed to Allers, I do consider Kelly an actual romance. Even if she wasn't granted the same amount of effort which her 'rivals' enjoyed.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 11 juillet 2012 - 10:34 .

[Heather Cline]

Only Liara's f/f romance was handled well. There was a lack of it in ME2, in ME3 the f/f romance between Shepard and Traynor was non-existent and pretty much completely under developed. The one with Diana Allers wasn't even an actual romance at all it was just a one night stand.

The M/M romances actually were fleshed out better in ME3 by far. They completely fleshed out the pilot character Steve Cortez. Fleshed out Kaidan as well.

Frankly the f/f romances in ME3 got the shaft, ME2 also got the shaft but was the same for M/M. In ME1 the m/m got shafted again but was due to time constraints which I feel sorry for those who were looking forward to that in ME1.

So pretty much mainly the entire f/f and m/m romance options were pretty much hosed over in favor mostly of the f/m romance options.

But not including the f/m ones the m/m were more fleshed out and better in ME3 not including Liara's but that is because she was a mainstay in ME1 and ME3 with her cameo in LotSB.

[MACharlie1]

That said...I'm going to completely disregard Kelly and Diana romances since they were tiny and insignificant next to the actual main ones.

That brings us to Samantha. Unfortunately, she suffers from being stuck on the Normandy and lacking a proper goodbye hologram scene and EC scene. On top of that, she gets a very cheap shower scene which cheapens her romance arc.

Then we have Cortez. Better then Traynor in that he had a proper goodbye but still lacked an EC goodbye and general romance banter. His romance with Shepard isn't really recognized by anyone else. But he does lack an actual love scene - it's fade to black. No rolling around in underwear for him.

So that leaves Kaidan and Liara. It pains me to say this but Liara has the benefit of being the writers favorite and was given a three game romance arc - if LOTSB is to be counted. Kaidan however lacks any proper romance dialog for man Shep in ME1 and very little content in ME2 though heavily suggests feelings for ManShep ("losing a limb" line). So I HATE to say this but Liaras was better developed. And then she had the most unique love scene in both ME1 and ME2. Kaidan's really should have applied SOME biotic effects to distinguish it from Ashleys.

[ScriptBabe]

The Kaidan/male Shep romance was very well handled, and it was sort of nice to see Kaidan being the instigator. I like the way it built. Just wish they could have done that kind of structure with the entire game.

[MACharlie1]

Flog61 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

That said...I'm going to completely disregard Kelly and Diana romances since they were tiny and insignificant next to the actual main ones.

That brings us to Samantha. Unfortunately, she suffers from being stuck on the Normandy and lacking a proper goodbye hologram scene and EC scene. On top of that, she gets a very cheap shower scene which cheapens her romance arc.

Then we have Cortez. Better then Traynor in that he had a proper goodbye but still lacked an EC goodbye and general romance banter. His romance with Shepard isn't really recognized by anyone else. But he does lack an actual love scene - it's fade to black. No rolling around in underwear for him.

So that leaves Kaidan and Liara. It pains me to say this but Liara has the benefit of being the writers favorite and was given a three game romance arc - if LOTSB is to be counted. Kaidan however lacks any proper romance dialog for man Shep in ME1 and very little content in ME2 though heavily suggests feelings for ManShep ("losing a limb" line). So I HATE to say this but Liaras was better developed. And then she had the most unique love scene in both ME1 and ME2. Kaidan's really should have applied SOME biotic effects to distinguish it from Ashleys.

Thank-you very much for providing a detailed insight into the question of the thread withut delving into saying why you 'didn't like cortez' or iscussing the validity of anal sex

You, sir/ma'am, win this thread

I never win any thread! 

(And I'm a sir - who would be more then happy to explain the validity of anal sex - don't knock till you try it) 

[MACharlie1]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

But he does lack an actual love scene - it's fade to black. No rolling around in underwear for him.

I've never seen that as a negative - those scenes are painfully awkward to watch, after all.

And both of the romances I've done in ME3 with full-fledged squadmates also had fade-to-black.

Terribly awkward yes but it shows more effort was put into their romances to bother making actual cut scenes.
 
The only other fade to blacks are Tali and Garrus and we aren't discussing them. 

[MACharlie1]

Flog61 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

That said...I'm going to completely disregard Kelly and Diana romances since they were tiny and insignificant next to the actual main ones.

That brings us to Samantha. Unfortunately, she suffers from being stuck on the Normandy and lacking a proper goodbye hologram scene and EC scene. On top of that, she gets a very cheap shower scene which cheapens her romance arc.

Then we have Cortez. Better then Traynor in that he had a proper goodbye but still lacked an EC goodbye and general romance banter. His romance with Shepard isn't really recognized by anyone else. But he does lack an actual love scene - it's fade to black. No rolling around in underwear for him.

So that leaves Kaidan and Liara. It pains me to say this but Liara has the benefit of being the writers favorite and was given a three game romance arc - if LOTSB is to be counted. Kaidan however lacks any proper romance dialog for man Shep in ME1 and very little content in ME2 though heavily suggests feelings for ManShep ("losing a limb" line). So I HATE to say this but Liaras was better developed. And then she had the most unique love scene in both ME1 and ME2. Kaidan's really should have applied SOME biotic effects to distinguish it from Ashleys.

Thank-you very much for providing a detailed insight into the question of the thread withut delving into saying why you 'didn't like cortez' or iscussing the validity of anal sex

You, sir/ma'am, win this thread

I never win any thread! 

(And I'm a sir - who would be more then happy to explain the validity of anal sex - don't knock till you try it) 

Err congradz

And i wasn't saying they were my opinions; im gay (shhhh )

Although i didn't prefer cortez to kaidan.

Kaidan's voice makes my heart melt

I without a doubt prefer Kaidan to Cortez. I'm playing through my FemShep/Kaidan (not my main ManShep/Kaidan but WHATEVER) ending right now for the bloodied texture to extract for the guys to make hi-rez. And he never fails to make my knees bend and my heart sore. 

[djarlaks10]

M/F romances are the best
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[Quething]

Nyoka wrote...

imo Liara is the best f/f romance and the best romance in general.

I strongly disagree.

It got the most content, and the best individual scenes. The LotSB cabin tour was miles above even the ME1 sex scenes, which were miles beyond any of the base ME2 scenes (and poor Traynor's out-of-nowhere nevernude shower seduction). She's there for you from the start of 3 and every one of the stupid little kid nightmares, and gets the best-written and most resource-intensive farewell at the FOB. No question the devs favored it.

But to be a good romance you also have to look at it in its entirety, and in its entirety it makes no sense because Liara's character arc makes no sense. ME3 did a reasonable job of finding a happy medium between naive, sweet, shy, utter paragon ME1 Liara and hardcore woman-on-the-edge vengeance-mad cold-blooded killer ME2 Liara, but by then it's too late, character coherence is already broken.

I wish I could enjoy it. It's nice to have the canon romance be available to the female PC for once (no, I'm not still pining for Bastila, why do you ask? ). But honestly it's about as consistent across the three games as the last ten minutes of ME3. The best-written romances are IMO Garrus, Kaidan and Tali, in roughly that order, which is kind of hard on those of us who consider them all bros and would rather hook up with Ash or Thane or Miranda.