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[I Am Robot]

I think the Mass Effect universe is one of the greatest in SF and fantasy history. I really think it falls among the likes of Middle Earth, Star Wars and Star Trek. Thank you bioware for creating this amazing universe.

Modifié par Farid-Yoda-N7, 12 juillet 2012 - 01:45 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

Given that they completely screwed up the ending to such a great series with the last few minutes of the game, and then it took a HUGE fan outcry, which they initially tried to dismiss as a minority thing, until they were practically forced to do something about it, I don't see much reason to give them praise.

Especially since what they did do about the ending was woefully insufficient, and failed to address any of the things that I considered the major failings in the ending with the EC. The ending is still a deus ex machina ending, with totally unbelievable, genre breaking space magic.

There WERE things they got right with the game - parts of the game were brilliantly written. Especially the parts involving Mordin and Tali were very, very good.

But for me, ultimately the game fell flat - I lost interest half way through my second playthrough, and that's never happened before with a Bioware game. The story is very linear, and the fact that you get your companions in a certain order throughout the story, and that there are fewer companions than before, means that there are fewer permutations of team mates for fewer mission you can try on subsequent playthroughs. This may be one of the reasons why I don't see much replay value in the game.

And knowing what you are working towards, the most offensively bad ending to a game I can remember, it's hard to work up much enthusiasm.

The game was good, but hardly great.

But it's not even about the failings in the ending - it is about how difficult it was to get Bioware to admit to any fault, it was about the whole war-asset-multiplayer-tie-in debacle and how badly that was handled, it was about the PR campaign for the game extolling the unprecedented fan response... without mentioning that that response was negative - these things left a really bad taste in my mouth, and I certainly cannot thank Bioware for that.

I'd rather thank them for the earlier games they've released - great games like DA:O and Mass Effect 1, even ME2 - and give them a virtual slap on the wrist for ME3, and the surrounding missmanagement of PR, and the fanbase. Here's hoping they'll learn from this, and won't make the same mistakes again.

Why even post this on their forums? Do you really feel the need the scald or punish Bioware? The OP was just trying to show them a little respect rather than make another whining/self-important thread calling for the heads of the writers and swearing to never buy another BW game. 

I find it strange how so many people complain like this over the internet and on the forum, while the people I play with on the game are from disrespectful when discussing the game. I guess anonymity is too great an incentive for people. 
-- I enjoyed ME3, ME2, ME1. The change in styles is refreshing yet there is always a stabilizing feature to expect with riveting gameplay and dialogue. Thanks Bioware for the countless hours of entertainment you have given me through your games. The hate and resentment expressed on this online forum should be taken with a pitcher of salt.

[Kivaru]

Thank you Bioware


Anyone who is still whining about the endings just didn't understand them.




Brb while i don my fire suit.

Modifié par Kivaru, 12 juillet 2012 - 01:37 .

[k-mysta]

It certainly wasn't amazing. Not when you step back and look at it (i my opinion anyway). It had its flaws that I noticed before I reached the ending. It was a very good game and I'm a huge fan of the series but it wasn't amazing. But thanks for the Extended Cut Bioware. Whilst it still doesn't redeem the game for me, it was really good of you to do something for the fans though you didn't need to and I thought it did a decent job of explaining the ending that I was too stupid to understand (before anyone can even start attacking me for not liking it, I'll assume I am)

Modifié par k-mysta, 12 juillet 2012 - 01:47 .

[Lhawke]

Yes, a thank you to Bioware for trying with the EC. Not sure about buying any more collector editions, it depends on what they come up with next.

It really shouldn't have happened in the first place though. A series like mass effect deserved a better plot and ending than it got with me3.

[Sundance31us]

Thank you Bioware. 

[Swordfishtrombone]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...
Why even post this on their forums? Do you really feel the need the
scald or punish Bioware? The OP was just trying to show them a little
respect rather than make another whining/self-important thread calling
for the heads of the writers and swearing to never buy another BW game.

I neither called for the heads of the writers, nor swore to never buy another BW game in the post you quoted as an example of such "whining".

I write critical comments when I think they are deserved because I CARE about Bioware, and have long loved their products, and would very much like to continue to do so.

If they get patted on the head regardless of gross errors in either their treatment of the fanbase, or their writing - if they only hear the praise for their brilliance, they are bound to commit the same errors again and again.

There is nothing wrong with being critical of business practices, or the writing of a game, when you think it is warranted, and nothing wrong in expressing disagreement with someone who just wants to heap glowing praise on the company - when you think that that praise is unwarranted.

What does it mean to be a fan of a company? It means desiring that they continue good practices, and don't let the quality of their products slip, and that means calling them out, when those things do slip.

I don't think you really read the complete comment you responded to. It was hardly an expression of murderous rage, or a complete shooting down of ME3 as the worst game ever, or any other such obviously unfair exaggeration.

As I said in my post, ME3 is a good game. Just not a great one, and the PRACTICES of Bioware/EA, and their PR department, with relation to ME3 certainly do not deserve thanks.

[JyrikGauldy]

hated old endings, loved new ones. thx bioware

[AxeloftheKey]

Bioware Multiplayer team is a group of champions that I salute.

While I have so much love for the Single-player, it will forever have certain issues.

Multiplayer, however, has consistently fixed my issues with it, and continues to include free content that makes me want to play.

[FoggyFishburne]

Whoah. Fanboy gushing or paid employee disguised as a member of the consumer community? You're pretty naive if you still regard BioWare in such high regard. I'm so happy I'm blessed with a critical mind. I defended BioWare for DA2. This game proves that they've lost, not only their creative spark, but their integrity as well. Everything that was good about BioWare is slowly dying. Couldn't be more blatant and obvious in ME3.

Oh well, I guess you're like a crow. Happy to see shiny stuff in front of you. If only my standards were that low. Better to be stupid and happy, I say.

[jtrook]

You can but they (imo) still have hurt trust among some fans. A crappy quest journal, pointless gathering quests, hit and miss AI, initial MP debacle, face import issue and as I said before bad is writing is STILL bad writing. You can do whatever but expecting anything over a "yeah you fixed some stuff. What about it?" is asking a bit much.

[Grubas]

Thank you for listening to us and fixing the end.
Now please fix priority earth. Please.

Modifié par Grubas, 12 juillet 2012 - 02:53 .

[jtrook]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

Whoah. Fanboy gushing or paid employee disguised as a member of the consumer community? You're pretty naive if you still regard BioWare in such high regard. I'm so happy I'm blessed with a critical mind. I defended BioWare for DA2. This game proves that they've lost, not only their creative spark, but their integrity as well. Everything that was good about BioWare is slowly dying. Couldn't be more blatant and obvious in ME3.

Oh well, I guess you're like a crow. Happy to see shiny stuff in front of you. If only my standards were that low. Better to be stupid and happy, I say.

You have an awesome profile pic my friend!

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...
Why even post this on their forums? Do you really feel the need the
scald or punish Bioware? The OP was just trying to show them a little
respect rather than make another whining/self-important thread calling
for the heads of the writers and swearing to never buy another BW game.

I neither called for the heads of the writers, nor swore to never buy another BW game in the post you quoted as an example of such "whining".

I write critical comments when I think they are deserved because I CARE about Bioware, and have long loved their products, and would very much like to continue to do so.

If they get patted on the head regardless of gross errors in either their treatment of the fanbase, or their writing - if they only hear the praise for their brilliance, they are bound to commit the same errors again and again.

There is nothing wrong with being critical of business practices, or the writing of a game, when you think it is warranted, and nothing wrong in expressing disagreement with someone who just wants to heap glowing praise on the company - when you think that that praise is unwarranted.

What does it mean to be a fan of a company? It means desiring that they continue good practices, and don't let the quality of their products slip, and that means calling them out, when those things do slip.

I don't think you really read the complete comment you responded to. It was hardly an expression of murderous rage, or a complete shooting down of ME3 as the worst game ever, or any other such obviously unfair exaggeration.

As I said in my post, ME3 is a good game. Just not a great one, and the PRACTICES of Bioware/EA, and their PR department, with relation to ME3 certainly do not deserve thanks.

I assume you read the forums since you are.. uh.. here and how often do people "heap glowing praise", no sorry even thank BW? Your word choice indicates how biased you are or maybe you took my post as merely a personal attack. This forum is filled with the posts I described and I wasn't singling you out specifically when I said "whining thread" because your one reply to a post isn't a thread. I was speaking generally about the average topic and tone used on this forum, and by far the average tone isn't "thank you" it is "how dare you!".

Whether or not you agree with how they handled their PR, that is only one aspect of what they have done with this game and to dwell only on the negative aspects speaks to your personality. (That sentence was specifically for you) Critical criticism is fine but let's not pretend BW hasn't heard about it and instead have only received praise. That is ridiculous.

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 12 juillet 2012 - 02:59 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

Whether or not you agree with how they handled their PR, that is only one aspect of what they have done with this game and to dwell only on the negative aspects speaks to your personality. (That sentence was specifically for you) Critical criticism is fine but let's not pretend BW hasn't heard about it and instead have only received praise. That is ridiculous.

Again you just prove that you didn't properly read the comment you were replying to. I did not "dwelll only on the negative aspects", but instead pointed out positive aspects of the game as well. Nor have I claimed either that BW has only received praise - such a claim would be ridiculous indeed.

Please do not put words into my mouth, or ascribe to me positions I don't hold.

After the EC came out, there has been a lot of praise on the forums - apparently, ALL many people cared about in the ending was having an epilogue, and having some of the most glaring open questions (like why the Normady fled the battle) answered. And that's fine. But Bioware has to realize that there are also people, quite a few of us, who considered these lackings minor points as to why the ending was so bad, and the major, fundamental problems were left untouched by the EC. Indeed, in the case of synthesis, the extended epilogue only made things worse, underlining and drawing more attention to the problem of utter implausibility.

So yes, it is entirely appropriate for fans who weren't so conserned with epilogues, but rather with the ending not violating the carefully crafted mass effect universe by stretching credulity way beyond the breaking point, to express that opinion.

These objections to the ending were voiced so many times prior to the announcement of the EC that Bioware could not have missed them - they just chose not to address them. Which, I don't agree with, but understand - to address these fundamental flaws a more radical change to the ending would have been necessary, and they weren't willing to go that far.

But they surely should hear from us who's reasons for disliking the ending weren't addressed by the EC, so as not to think that the new paint job on the old endings is universally liked.

As to what this reveals of my personality - nothing. I do not universally critisize everything, or focus only on the negative - I haven't done so even with ME3. My record of comments on most Bioware games has dominantly been positive.

Modifié par Swordfishtrombone, 12 juillet 2012 - 04:11 .

[Fieryeel]

Thank you Bioware for the extended cut and the free MP DLCs.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...
Again you just prove that you didn't properly read the comment you were replying to. I did not "dwelll only on the negative aspects", but instead pointed out positive aspects of the game as well. Nor have I claimed either that BW has only received praise - such a claim would be ridiculous indeed.

Please do not put words into my mouth, or ascribe to me positions I don't hold.

After the EC came out, there has been a lot of praise on the forums - apparently, ALL many people cared about in the ending was having an epilogue, and having some of the most glaring open questions (like why the Normady fled the battle) answered. And that's fine. But Bioware has to realize that there are also people, quite a few of us, who considered these lackings minor points as to why the ending was so bad, and the major, fundamental problems were left untouched by the EC. Indeed, in the case of synthesis, the extended epilogue only made things worse, underlining and drawing more attention to the problem of utter implausibility.

So yes, it is entirely appropriate for fans who weren't so conserned with epilogues, but rather with the ending not violating the carefully crafted mass effect universe by stretching credulity way beyond the breaking point, to express that opinion.

These objections to the ending were voiced so many times prior to the announcement of the EC that Bioware could not have missed them - they just chose not to address them. Which, I don't agree with, but understand - to address these fundamental flaws a more radical change to the ending would have been necessary, and they weren't willing to go that far.

But they surely should hear from us who's reasons for disliking the ending weren't addressed by the EC, so as not to think that the new paint job on the old endings is universally liked.

As to what this reveals of my personality - nothing. I do not universally critisize everything, or focus only on the negative - I haven't done so even with ME3. My record of comments on most Bioware games has dominantly been positive.

Well, I already said that my first comment wasn't a personal attack on you and I was generalizing the majority of users' tones when discussing BW on the forum regarding ME3. I apologize for exaggerating in an attempt to make my point about BW receiving praise.

To simplify, there have been numerous threads and posts regarding people's problems with the game; there is no doubting Bw has noticed. Perhaps, it isn't necessary to repeatedly bring up the same exhausted issues in a thread that is trying to keep a more positive focus. 

[grimlock122]

cheers for the free stuff!

[MystEU]

It's a shame that the huge amount of people who liked the EC and had positive things to say have moved on and left us with the people who are still doing the same angry foot-stomping.

Thanks BioWare for polishing out a good game (not necessarily excellent) and supporting the game with more content! Looking forward to some new campaign DLC.

[Avoozl-]

I can only thank them If they can release the paid for new dlc on a retail disc with the ec included for the people with terrible internet.

[dkm945]

Thanks for making such great games, Bioware!

[Eclipse merc]

Ending still sucks, Rannoch kinda sucks as well, and so does Kai Lang... but I do give you points for trying to fix it instead of just leaving it.

[squee365]

BSN? Thank Bioware? Have courtesy at all?

You're in the wrong universe pal.

[Babybel]

Thank you Bioware, I really enjoyed the Mass Effect series. I played Mass Effect 5 times, MASS EFFECT 2 like 10.000 times...  (I really don''t know how often I replayed this game, got to be my favourite) and through the EC the finale of Mass Effect 3 is a absolutely worthy end. Thank you!