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[th3warr1or]

Guess what, BioWare/EA should learn EVERYTHING from Ubisoft.

http://www.gamefaqs....&topic=52588819

Ubisoft has already released a patch for Assassin's Creed 2 fixing bugs. And people didn't even have to complain much about it. It's called initiative, and [caring] about your customers.

Ldyshayna Edit: Do not attempt to bypass the swear filter.  Please watch your language.  Thanks.

Modifié par LdyShayna, 20 décembre 2009 - 04:03 .

[trh5001]

PC version has plenty of fixes and is 100 times more enjoyable than Assassins Creed 2 (that ending falls apart big time).

[7a7ec]

BioWare > Ubisoft ..... Ubisoft published Avatar .... lol

[Sarevok Anchev]

*whine* Bioware is bad *whine*
tsk

Calling Ubisoft innovative: How many PrinceofPersias?SplinterCells?
How many games with Parcour oriented gameplay?

Modifié par Sarevok Anchev, 19 décembre 2009 - 06:48 .

[DracoFulcrum]

7a7ec wrote...

BioWare > Ubisoft ..... Ubisoft published Avatar .... lol

Avatar = Halo, but with a warm fuzzy felling.  Kill the blue @$!%ers!  Long live humanity!  Oops way off topic, my bad.

Modifié par DracoFulcrum, 19 décembre 2009 - 10:15 .

[Sarevok Anchev]

Heartlocker wrote...

BioWare above ubisoft? When it comes to stories, yes. With helping us out? NO.
And if you deny that, you are just a goose that stuck it's head too far into the ground, perhaps into their rectum, who knows.

I enjoyed the Prince of Persia series, one of the best trilogy, setting apart Warrior Within. Too goth for me.

And Sare****, if you was able to read, you can clearly see he wrote down "Taking the initiave".

MEANING, that they take action before there is too much problems rising within the community. He wasn't speaking of being innotative.

Damn.

And Serevok, if you are able to read, you can see he wrote down "Inititave"

lol, seems like a raeelly pi55ed you of, didnt i?

[th3warr1or]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

*whine* Bioware is bad *whine*
tsk

Calling Ubisoft innovative: How many PrinceofPersias?SplinterCells?
How many games with Parcour oriented gameplay?

Initiative =/= Innovative.

They could publish and release HelloKitty Island Adventure III and fix the game 1month from the release date and still have more initiative than BioWare/EA.

PS: It's parkour.

PSS: What is it with posters who realized that they make a mistake then try to cover up by saying that their goal was to ****** you off, when clearly it wasn't?

Modifié par th3warr1or, 20 décembre 2009 - 06:35 .

[th3warr1or]

trh5001 wrote...

PC version has plenty of fixes and is 100 times more enjoyable than Assassins Creed 2 (that ending falls apart big time).

Now, do you want the literal or figurative response to your statement? 

I'm in a good mood, so I'll give you both.

First, the PC can have 100000000 fixes, and it still doesn't change the fact that BioWare is directly shafting console users. Assassin's Creed 2 is on the Xbox 360 and PS3. The point is not which game is better or not, the point is IT DOES NOT TAKE 2 MONTHS TO GET A MICROSOFT CERTIFICATION. Because clearly, less than 1month after release, UbiSoft managed to even fix gameplay bugs that I didn't even know about in a patch. Have you seen the Assassin's Creed 2 official forums? Barely anybody there has to repeat a bug error.

Secondly, you say Assassin's Creed 2 ending falls apart? That's an opinion. Fortunately for you, an opinion I agree with because I hate cliff-hangers no matter how good the story is.

Now, for the literal comparison to Dragon Age, shall we? Dragon Age's ending fell apart LITERALLY. Wrong Epilogue BioWare. I crowned Anora, not Alistair. Wait what? Why is Alistair standing there, and Anora giving a speech invisibily . THAT's called falling apart when the ending doesn't even match the choices.

Modifié par th3warr1or, 20 décembre 2009 - 06:41 .

[th3warr1or]

7a7ec wrote...

BioWare > Ubisoft ..... Ubisoft published Avatar .... lol

BioWare published Warden's Keep. We're even.

[Sarevok Anchev]

th3warr1or wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

*whine* Bioware is bad *whine*
tsk

Calling Ubisoft innovative: How many PrinceofPersias?SplinterCells?
How many games with Parcour oriented gameplay?

Initiative =/= Innovative.

They could publish and release HelloKitty Island Adventure III and fix the game 1month from the release date and still have more initiative than BioWare/EA.

PS: It's parkour.

PSS: What is it with posters who realized that they make a mistake then try to cover up by saying that their goal was to ****** you off, when clearly it wasn't?

Hello Kitty Island Adventure III is no complex game. Every modder could fix this in no time.

>PS: Yes, thats true

>PSS(Its P.P.S. btw^^): i asked if i pissed him/her off with some negative words, but nvm *g


Assassin's Creed is no game with the complexity of RPG's like Bioware.
I have no problem when people critisize; but without having themself experience in this branche and are just guessing how "bad moneysuckers" they are this is complaining without knowing any facts.

>Thats whining

[JanHenDAO]

The certification process cant be that long, as there are already plenty of Modern Warfare 2 patches out.

[darkstrikerds]

th3warr1or wrote...

trh5001 wrote...

PC version has plenty of fixes and is 100 times more enjoyable than Assassins Creed 2 (that ending falls apart big time).

Now, do you want the literal or figurative response to your statement? 

I'm in a good mood, so I'll give you both.

First, the PC can have 100000000 fixes, and it still doesn't change the fact that BioWare is directly shafting console users. Assassin's Creed 2 is on the Xbox 360 and PS3. The point is not which game is better or not, the point is IT DOES NOT TAKE 2 MONTHS TO GET A MICROSOFT CERTIFICATION. Because clearly, less than 1month after release, UbiSoft managed to even fix gameplay bugs that I didn't even know about in a patch. Have you seen the Assassin's Creed 2 official forums? Barely anybody there has to repeat a bug error.

Amazingly, when a console game runs fine and it's PC counterpart does not, many of the more charming people from the console community give us PC users a hard time about buying the PC version.  With that in mind, I tend to smirk slightly when a console user complains about the lack of a patch. 

Now, before the console craze (and subsequent "dumbing down" of games, in general), patches were never released for consoles.  The concept is relatively new.  Even at the launch of the PS3 and Xbox 360, it was far from standard practice.  So, you took what you got and made the best of it.  It was the disadvantage of buying a console.  While the "buyer beware" expectation has shifted slightly, it's only slightly.  There are a lot of other disadvantages, including manufacturer control.  You may get patched but those patches need to be vetted by the console manufacturer.  There are almost no safeguards on your console.  No antivirus, no consistency checking...and really, very few repairs that you can make yourself.  Do you really want them not to certify things so that your games are patched quickly, but at the risk of wiping the hard drive...or completely destroying the system?

As for Microsoft's certification for Live patches, either many companies use it as an excuse...or the system needs a revamp.  I know of another PC game that's been waiting 4 months for a PC patch, since it's a GFWL game and MS has to vet the patches.

As for DLC pricing...the industry is still working on that.  I'm really opposed to the DLC system, to be honest.  I prefer the days of $20-$30 addons that would nearly provide a new game, instead of adding an item or two and an hour-long quest/mission for $5-$15.  On the other hand, there's still work that goes into a DLC and someone still needs to be paid.  I don't particularly mind the DLCs for DA:O; I actually rather liked Warden's Keep, though I do believe it was lacking in some ways.  However, time and effort go into those...and the devs still have bills to pay.  EA of course makes a profit...and more of one than they're due, likely...but I'm generally happy to support a high-quality developer, which Bioware is.  Sadly, EA is evil...and gets something in the process...like intestinal parasites.

[Sarevok Anchev]

Heartlocker wrote...

You didnt'really pissed me off, it's how I am usually. You couldn't back anything up, so far, you are silenced.

*whisper* no, im not. but dont tell anyone, k?

[th3warr1or]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

th3warr1or wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

*whine* Bioware is bad *whine*
tsk

Calling Ubisoft innovative: How many PrinceofPersias?SplinterCells?
How many games with Parcour oriented gameplay?

Initiative =/= Innovative.

They could publish and release HelloKitty Island Adventure III and fix the game 1month from the release date and still have more initiative than BioWare/EA.

PS: It's parkour.

PSS: What is it with posters who realized that they make a mistake then try to cover up by saying that their goal was to ****** you off, when clearly it wasn't?

Hello Kitty Island Adventure III is no complex game. Every modder could fix this in no time.

>PS: Yes, thats true

>PSS(Its P.P.S. btw^^): i asked if i pissed him/her off with some negative words, but nvm *g


Assassin's Creed is no game with the complexity of RPG's like Bioware.
I have no problem when people critisize; but without having themself experience in this branche and are just guessing how "bad moneysuckers" they are this is complaining without knowing any facts.

>Thats whining

Well, Hello Kitty Island Adventure 3 is a fictious game. It doesn't exist:
http://en.wikipedia....ural_references

Anyway, that's not the point, and with that being said, the fact that PC patches are already out, and PC and Xbox 360's coding have similarities(hence the reason why PS3 versions of multiplatform games are inferior; they're ports from the 360 version since 360 and PC have a similarity), a patch shouldn't take that long. Microsoft certification also doesn't take anywhere near that long, seeing how Modern Warfare 2 had a patch fixing multiplayer within LESS THAN 2weeks. Even assuming that MW2 is nowhere near as complex(it's still a video game, and the code will be the same, only longer or shorter, or more complex) as Dragon Age, and the patch was finished in a day, that means a certificate can be obtained from Microsoft WITHIN 1 week.

Assuming it did, many of the bugs in this game were IGNORED by both EA and BioWare for at least a couple of weeks, such as the achievement glitching(which is Microsoft's fault to begin with, but BioWare should have at least ACKNOWLEDGED it), instead of direction us to EA, who in turn refused to give any support, citing it as "GAMEPLAY problems" and even filing it under "MADDEN 09" Live Chat. I have proof of this.

That aside, QA has done a terrible job with the console versions of this game, considering the fact that most of the glitches I came across were discovered within ONE PLAYTHROUGH. ONE. I am not asking BioWare for something unreasonable such as a 24hour patch, but at least ACKNOWLEDGING a mistake would go a long way in this matter.

I understand a game of this size has a huge number of different outcomes after the point of divergence, but I find it hard to believe that QA couldn't notice all the bugs that were found, especially since these glitches are NOT origin specific(all the 3 treaties had to be done in order to proceed, and the glitches surfaced regardless of the order of which you completed it).

I've got no idea which version of the game you have, but honestly I think that unless you own the console version of the game as well, and have come across the same glitches, PC users have no say in this matter. Sure, it's the internet and I can't stop any of you from posting your opinion, but do take a moment and think if you would truly be this defensive of BioWare had the same glitches affected you, and on top of BioWare ignoring you and come up with poorly thought excuses, other uses who were neither affected nor possessed of the same game came and judged you, or would you be as frustrated as most of us are if after 2 months, nothing has happened.

Modifié par th3warr1or, 20 décembre 2009 - 03:59 .

[Nokturnal Lex]

I just can't see how PC users can even complain, at least they can download mods to fix their bugs. Console users just sit there and go ...well **** i wanted to make a DW rogue but...

[th3warr1or]

My point exactly. Unless you actually have the console version, I don't see why you're in the 360 Technical support, especially since you're definitely not here to offer support.

[SnakeHelah]

Don't compare ubisoft with Bioware, ubi treats pc players like crap.

Who remembers Prince of Persia 2008. Release the game on pc, but won't release the dlc on pc.

Ac 2- Pc version delayed?

[th3warr1or]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Don't compare ubisoft with Bioware, ubi treats pc players like crap.
Who remembers Prince of Persia 2008. Release the game on pc, but won't release the dlc on pc.
Ac 2- Pc version delayed?

Assuming you're a PC player, what are you doing on the 360 Technical support board?

Flame 360 users?

Btw, the AC2 delay had nothing to do with anything. AC1 was released on the PC later, but with more content.

Modifié par th3warr1or, 20 décembre 2009 - 04:28 .

[Sferzar]

Thank you guys, I needed to read this. I hate it when consoles get the shaft, specially when it comes from someone like Bioware. I wouldn't have thought that possible, but here we are.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

th3warr1or wrote...

800 MP for 2 DLC packs.

3.99 and 4.99 for the two upcoming DLC sequences for Assassin's Creed 2.

And if the length of the sequences in game were anything to go by, it would be at least a good 1-2hours each.

Yup the AC2 DLC are  that cheap because there might not be any achievements at all. However both DLC are confirmed to be 1gb each. Source - http://www.trueachie...?newsitemid=936

Modifié par Crimzon Nutcase, 20 décembre 2009 - 09:25 .

[th3warr1or]

So we're paying for achievements? Achievements we did not get?



This is the whole thing about the bugs not being fixed. I DO NOT HAVE MY DLC ACHIEVEMENTS.



And 50 achievements each is pathetic. -.-

[Harbringerr]

To everyone who's so thrilled about Ubi's DLC pricing, please read the Kotaku interview with the ACII Creative Director:
http://kotaku.com/54...assins-creed-ii

To summarize their DLC policy, he states that the new packs "The Battle of Forli" and "Bonfire of the Vanities" were originally intended to be included in the main ACII game.

Quote, "I felt that, 'Okay, there were too many things to do and to finish.' So we said, 'Ok, let's take a portion of the game that was planned and we'll give it in DLC.'"

Quote: "I think we gave them so much content that they cannot say that we owe them, that we didn't give them a lot for their 60 bucks."

Can you imagine the forum uproar here if Bioware said they thought their game was long enough so they ripped some out to sell it seperately for $7? That's right, most people here would threaten to burn down their offices.

I like Bioware and I like Ubi. Just don't stick your head in the sand and claim Ubi isn't out to make money just like everyone else.

Modifié par Harbringerr, 22 décembre 2009 - 08:59 .