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[Duck and Cover]

I got 3 votes and Loghain got 2, yet I still lose landsmeet? I don't understand the voting at all. Not that it makes much difference. Just once I'd like to get all the votes, but it seems like the guy at the end always goes with Loghain. I didn't accept Anora's partnership btw, I'm not sure how that affects things.

And anyone know how much the comments during the conversation affects the votes? I pretty  much took all the pursuade options. And with a cunning over 70 and all 4 coercions I doubt I failed any pursuade checks.

[eschilde]

Anora's support helps a lot, if you have a save from before I'd suggest rethinking it even if you lie to her. Also, did you follow up on the nobles in the Tavern after doing the Arl of Denerim's Estate section? That also helps for getting votes.

[Wrathra]

I had 5-2 and I still lost. I think I read somewhere you need 6-1 to avoid the brawl.

[houdinimachine]

I told Anora to take a hike and still got 6-1. You need to get all the votes from the tavern, keep Vaughn the scumbag alive, and mention the blight as your first response with persuade. (And mentioning both the torturing from Howe and the elf slaves doesn't hurt)

You may not even need Vaughn alive, but I didn't want to chance it.

Modifié par houdinimachine, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:27 .

[Duck and Cover]

ya I killed that Vaughn guy, kinda had to after doing city elf origin.



And I was hoping to become queen. But I guess you have to be human noble for that. Should have figured they wouldn't accept a dwarf queen lol. I wonder if there are any mods to change race/origin. hmmm.



I don't want to replay alienage, and i don't really care about the vote all that much, I was just curious.



I just can't believe Alistair dumped me. I never saw that coming. I guess it's good the game can still surprise you after 3 playthrus. Although I'm still at +100 love with Lelianna. She will help mend my broken heart. I was just hoping to get the Alistair/me ending. I could reload and have Anora take queen I suppose...



BTW anyone know all the endings? I'd like to get that achievement (may take a couple reloads to get it, however)

[EricHVela]

I have had 4-2 and avoided the all-out brawl.

[Midnight Voyager]

I killed Vaughn and still had 6-1.

Or was it 5-1?

Either way: Number-1.

Modifié par Midnight Voyager, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:41 .

[GmanFresh]

eh the all out brawl was the highlight of the game

[tmp7704]

Duck and Cover wrote...

I got 3 votes and Loghain got 2, yet I still lose landsmeet? I don't understand the voting at all.

In many important votings it's not enough to get just more than half of people on your side. This concept is called qualified majority or "supermajority" ( http://en.wikipedia....i/Supermajority )

During the Landsmeet you're not really battling Loghain on equal footing with whoever gets more votes ending as winner. You're instead trying to remove Loghain from his position (an impeachment of sorts) so the requirement of stronger support for this motion to pass can make sense.

[T-Kay]

tmp7704 wrote...

Duck and Cover wrote...

I got 3 votes and Loghain got 2, yet I still lose landsmeet? I don't understand the voting at all.

In many important votings it's not enough to get just more than half of people on your side. This concept is called qualified majority or "supermajority" ( http://en.wikipedia....i/Supermajority )

During the Landsmeet you're not really battling Loghain on equal footing with whoever gets more votes ending as winner. You're instead trying to remove Loghain from his position (an impeachment of sorts) so the requirement of stronger support for this motion to pass can make sense.

Ah yes the supermajority. A brilliant way to fool the populous they actually live in a democratic country. Funny though this whole landsmeet business. A country doesn't choose a king. Royalty is birthright, not chosen by a majority.

Modifié par T-Kay, 16 décembre 2009 - 10:10 .

[owl208]

T-Kay wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Duck and Cover wrote...

I got 3 votes and Loghain got 2, yet I still lose landsmeet? I don't understand the voting at all.

In many important votings it's not enough to get just more than half of people on your side. This concept is called qualified majority or "supermajority" ( http://en.wikipedia....i/Supermajority )

During the Landsmeet you're not really battling Loghain on equal footing with whoever gets more votes ending as winner. You're instead trying to remove Loghain from his position (an impeachment of sorts) so the requirement of stronger support for this motion to pass can make sense.

Ah yes the supermajority. A brilliant way to fool the populous they actually live in a democratic country. Funny though this whole landsmeet business. A country doesn't choose a king. Royalty is birthright, not chosen by a majority.

The "supermajority" was a tool of statecraft that Palpatine in Star Wars used to become Chancellor, then later Emperor.

[mousestalker]

T-Kay wrote...
Funny though this whole landsmeet business. A country doesn't choose a king. Royalty is birthright, not chosen by a majority.

The Germans (Holy Roman Empire) and the Poles both elected their rulers in the Middle Ages.

[Bullets McDeath]

I had 3 to 2 and Queen Anora on my side (was marrying her, in fact) and still had to do the all-out brawl. Ferelden has a weird democracy!

[Popemaster123]

there are 9 endings in total mate. need to be a dwarf for one/two of them.

[Thiefy]

I couldn't ever get Vaughn's support as a noble because everytime i tried to talk to him in the cell, he was asleep. i could never wake him up no matter how many times i tried to talk to him =/



That being said unless I won Anora's favor, I could never avoid the brawl, even if I got all the other votes. The guide book says you get a vote through an assassination quest but i could never find that.

[Popemaster123]

Might be ignacios quests,and you always have to at least duel logahin by choosing the lets settle this honourably option

[Obadiah]

I think if Loghain has Anora's support he just calls for your arrest, and the vote only indicates who you have on your side in the fight that ensues.

[Varyen]

I talked Anora & Alistair into getting married, saved everyone in the dungeon that I could find ( even that jacka__ arl of denirum) & talked to everyone that I could find. In the end, only one person sided with Logaine.


on a side note, i don't know what happens if you kill that jack a__ arl tho but i plan to on my city elf.

Modifié par Varyen, 17 décembre 2009 - 12:16 .

[David Gaider]

Just a note that there are no votes at the Landsmeet in that everyone has an equal, democratic say. There are points in favor and against in terms of how the assembled nobility at the Landsmeet are swayed, and Anora's stance in particular has a big effect on the outcome as she's well-regarded (and the reigning Queen, not to mention Loghain's daughter) though by no means critical if you have enough support gathered otherwise.
A breakdown of how exactly the Landsmeet functions would be something better answered by Mary, if she cared to do so, though there are definitely a lot of factors in play as to how it can go down so it's pretty complex due to all the variations. It boggles my mind to think that there was even a period when the Landsmeet was MORE complex.

Modifié par David Gaider, 17 décembre 2009 - 12:28 .

[AtreiyaN7]

The annoying bald fellow always says no - I think it's pretty much a given, so basically I think if you have two no votes (two official no votes - I'm not counting Anora - heh), then you end up in a big battle. I still won without Anora's support when I did my human noble queen playthrough however. I picked Alistair, etc. and made it clear that I was not supporting her before the Landsmeet - she turned on me, and the bald guy threw his support behind Loghain for the umpteenth time, but I won the other Banns/Arls/etc. to my side. It appeared to be enough to ensure that Loghain was defeated & we ended up in single combat.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 décembre 2009 - 12:27 .

[tmp7704]

Obadiah wrote...

I think if Loghain has Anora's support he just calls for your arrest, and the vote only indicates who you have on your side in the fight that ensues.

He can also call for your arrest+execution even if Anora supports you, as long as the final vote goes in his favour (i.e. not enough nobles stand on your side)

[Inzhuna]

i read somewhere you shouldn't mention Cailan ever, cause that turns nobles on you. and also lie to anora you will help her, then she won't let you down in front of everyone. also i think it helps if you didn't have to kill all the guars at arl howe's estate and went to prison peacefully - otherwise they will accuse you of bloodshed and massacre.

[Mikka-chan]

Is there anyway to make that one guy back you? The only thing I can think of is maybe letting Rapist Jackass live, and I haven't been able to bring myself to that. I've gotten all other votes, easily.

I'm curious if it's possible to win at all if you choose the 'LOGHAIN ABANDONED GRAY WARDENS/KING CAILAN :E!!!' option first. It's a stupid choice, as you don't have any evidence- Anora and Eamon advise you against it- but I'm curious to see if you can win with it. Hm.

[Mary Kirby]

The named characters are not the ones that determine the outcome.



The short and simplified explanation: You need five "points" to win the Landsmeet

Anora's support is worth 3

The Grand Cleric's denunciation is worth 2

Each named noble who supports you is worth 1

Persuasive arguments are worth 1

Failed arguments cost you 1



Arl Bryland always supports you, he is not counted toward your support. He's counter-balanced by Bann Ceorlic, who always sides with Loghain. This was done for the sake of scripting the melee battle, since named characters fight on the side of whomever they support.



It is entirely possible to win the Landsmeet without Anora, if you have the support of the named nobles and pick the right arguments. It's entirely possible to win the Landsmeet with only Anora and no other named nobles. And it's possible to have Anora and some named nobles, and lose due to your argument choices.