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[Duck and Cover]

I got 3 votes and Loghain got 2, yet I still lose landsmeet? I don't understand the voting at all. Not that it makes much difference. Just once I'd like to get all the votes, but it seems like the guy at the end always goes with Loghain. I didn't accept Anora's partnership btw, I'm not sure how that affects things.

And anyone know how much the comments during the conversation affects the votes? I pretty  much took all the pursuade options. And with a cunning over 70 and all 4 coercions I doubt I failed any pursuade checks.

[David Gaider]

Just a note that there are no votes at the Landsmeet in that everyone has an equal, democratic say. There are points in favor and against in terms of how the assembled nobility at the Landsmeet are swayed, and Anora's stance in particular has a big effect on the outcome as she's well-regarded (and the reigning Queen, not to mention Loghain's daughter) though by no means critical if you have enough support gathered otherwise.
A breakdown of how exactly the Landsmeet functions would be something better answered by Mary, if she cared to do so, though there are definitely a lot of factors in play as to how it can go down so it's pretty complex due to all the variations. It boggles my mind to think that there was even a period when the Landsmeet was MORE complex.

Modifié par David Gaider, 17 décembre 2009 - 12:28 .

[Mary Kirby]

The named characters are not the ones that determine the outcome.



The short and simplified explanation: You need five "points" to win the Landsmeet

Anora's support is worth 3

The Grand Cleric's denunciation is worth 2

Each named noble who supports you is worth 1

Persuasive arguments are worth 1

Failed arguments cost you 1



Arl Bryland always supports you, he is not counted toward your support. He's counter-balanced by Bann Ceorlic, who always sides with Loghain. This was done for the sake of scripting the melee battle, since named characters fight on the side of whomever they support.



It is entirely possible to win the Landsmeet without Anora, if you have the support of the named nobles and pick the right arguments. It's entirely possible to win the Landsmeet with only Anora and no other named nobles. And it's possible to have Anora and some named nobles, and lose due to your argument choices.

[David Gaider]

Original182 wrote...
The problem is that the points system is flawed and doesn't make sense at all. The numerous threads created to voice this confusion should be evidence enough.

No, I get you. Sorry if I sounded like I was placing the blame solely on the end user -- it might be difficult to understand that what's being done is "winning over" the nobility of the Landsmeet, who you do not see actually voting or coming to a decision. The "votes" aren't simply the five or six people you hear speaking. The fact that some people can't get past that is somewhere between their pre-conception and our inability to present it/explain it sufficiently.