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[Mnemnosyne]

Original182 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Original182 wrote...
The problem is that the points system is flawed and doesn't make sense at all. The numerous threads created to voice this confusion should be evidence enough.

No, I get you. Sorry if I sounded like I was placing the blame solely on the end user -- it might be difficult to understand that what's being done is "winning over" the nobility of the Landsmeet, who you do not see actually voting or coming to a decision. The "votes" aren't simply the five or six people you hear speaking. The fact that some people can't get past that is somewhere between their pre-conception and our inability to present it/explain it sufficiently.

Thank you for responding in a diplomatic manner. Apologies as well if I worded my post too harshly.

I still feel that making the number of votes the sole factor in determining who wins the Landsmeet is the best way. If in future you want to make political contests like the Landsmeet, yeah explain to us in game on how it works. Maybe let Arl Eamon give us a Landsmeet tutorial.

Well, in a manner of speaking the votes are determining who wins it, but we're not seeing it.  From my understanding the points system is essentially determining how many of the non-speaking nobles - all the NPC's filling the room when you walk in, but that don't actually say anything during the sequence - are on which side.  If you lose the 'point game' it means more of them oppose you than support you.

However it is true that this is entirely unintuitive and it makes little sense to the player, since all we get to see is the nobles directly supporting one side or the other.  As David said, the inability to present it and explain it sufficiently is what causes all the confusion, cause we naturally believe that what we see - the various nobles voting one way or the other - is what decides the course of action, rather than being somehow shown that the majority of the silent characters in the room are what makes the major difference.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

So in theory to win the landsmeet the shortest amount of thing you need to do is mention about the poisoning of eamon using an apostate and have Anora on your side? That gets you the 5 points straight away and then you just have to ensure you don't do any of the 'negative' things (personal attacks on loghain relating to cailan, ostagar, wardens).



Really appreciate the information once again Mary and David, course, out of the 3 playthroughs, only my first ended in the battle royal at the landsmeet, following that I had a smarter mage and a dwarf whom got some advice.



Actually one other thing to point out about the Grand Cleric, if I remember rightly, if you have Alastair in your party when you rescue the templar, he does actually make a reference to the Grand Cleric during the conversation. Think he says something along the lines that her head would explode if she knew what Loghain and Howe had done. Or I might be getting confused with another person/location?

[Time4Tiddy]

Popemaster123 wrote...

there are 9 endings in total mate. need to be a dwarf for one/two of them.

There are 4 endings for the achievement, and they only relate to who kills the Archdemon and whether anyone participated in the ritual with Morrigan.

There are dozens if not hundreds of possible combinations of endings for the final scene, conversations, and epilogue.  Not sure where you get 9 from.