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syllogi wrote...

The only thing I found "unbelievable" about Vega was his odd spanglish. Bilingual people don't simply throw random words from their native language into conversation. It would have been cool to hear Freddie Prinze Jr. voice a few sentences in spanish (maybe with Cortez...), but his manner of speaking just took me out of the game and made me think of some writer somewhere who really, really needed to consult with actual spanish speakers before finishing Vega's dialogue.


Actually his speach is realistic. Not all Hispanics are bilingual. They know just enough Spanish to drop words into sentences to add emphasis kind of like how Snoop Dog drops in his bizarre variations on pig latin into his speech. I live with a Puerto Rican but Vega's speech is more like second and third generation kids of Mexican descent.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

I can't think of Kai Leng without his response to Shepard taunting him.

"SHUT UP."

Bahahahaha.


Whenever I hear Kai Leng say those words, I puke a little bit.

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Vega was doing better for me until he started staring at Shepard's breasts whilst she was having a conversation with him. "Don't treat your commanding officer like sweater meat" seems like the kind of thing they'd cover in boot camp.

Like I said, if they released a Throat Punch DLC, I would buy that sh*t in a heartbeat.

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Kai Leng was a poorly constructed character, I'd say Javik was the least believable based on his species extinction. That doesn't change the fact that he was one of my favorites.


Thing with Javik is ME1 already said their were a few protheans that survived and then the asari homeworld points at possibly even more surviving, so Javik isn't that big of a streatch.  Plus he at least serves the purpose of sheading light on the prothean's and their last stand against the reapers.

Kai I will agree was a little cheesy and came off more as a punk than a real super soldier elite agent.

Vega still takes it for me as he is pretty much just a mediocre version of male shep without anything interesting enough to validate him getting a spot over the myriad of potential other character options we had available.  Also it feels more like Jersey Shore voice actor has as much reason for him being in game as what little ingame reasons there are.

Modifié par Anvos, 12 juillet 2012 - 02:54 .


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o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I can't think of Kai Leng without his response to Shepard taunting him.

"SHUT UP."

Bahahahaha.


Whenever I hear Kai Leng say those words, I puke a little bit.


I made him puke blood after I stabbed him in the gut for Thane.

Bahahahaha.

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Several of them really. James, Kai Leng, or Hackett. Probably Hackett.

Great Voice Actor....but making Hackett into a major character in ME3? I didn't buy it. He had no personality and he was an awful leader. His speech before Priority: Earth was kind of cool, but it could have been much better.

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Leng's character is consistent (always a douche) but I feel he belongs in a Metal Gear game (especially his bad one-liners "Now it's fun") or something. That's why I don't consider him to be believable in the ME universe. I do like how the Illusive Man strokes his ego to send him on missions in the security cam footage. That's believable to the Illusive man's character.

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Is this seriously a question?

Outside of the obvious choice, I'd go with Kai Leng. If you're gonna make a boss fight where you're supposed to lose, at least design it well. Don't make it so you can smoke the boss and then get owned in a cut scene after he hits 0 health. Not to mention the mother****er was just plain annoying, as Villain Sues often are.

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I frankly thought it was out of character for Shepherd to sit on his ass for 6 months under house arrest waiting for the Alliance to get off its rear end. He's the Alliance's top operative. It just seems like the grounded Shepherd in ME1 would have stolen the Normandy and gone rogue in order to prepare for the Reapers in ME2. I know he promised he would at the end of ME2 but c'mon.

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I'll go with the clear choice: Udina.

At the beginning of the game, I honestly thought that he would become a reasonable man for the first time in three games. I honestly didn't know what the writers were thinking when they conceived Udina for this purpose.

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Random Jerkface wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Vega was doing better for me until he started staring at Shepard's breasts whilst she was having a conversation with him. "Don't treat your commanding officer like sweater meat" seems like the kind of thing they'd cover in boot camp.

Like I said, if they released a Throat Punch DLC, I would buy that sh*t in a heartbeat.


I would not have minded Vega aggressively flirting with female Shepard IF he were a "straight" LI option AND there were an option to tell  him to be professional. Actually I thought there was such an option until I discovered that it only applied to nicknames.

Sigh.

I would pay any amount of money for a patch that allows him to be as aggressively flirty with male Shepard. Male Shepard discusses something with him and Vega looks down and says "Wow! Shepard! You got a huge unit! Just sayin'!"

Nonstop BSN joy.

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Kai leng.

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Everyone of them is fairly unbelievable in there own way, with a few exceptions. 

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 12 juillet 2012 - 03:11 .


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Chun Hei wrote...

syllogi wrote...

The only thing I found "unbelievable" about Vega was his odd spanglish. Bilingual people don't simply throw random words from their native language into conversation. It would have been cool to hear Freddie Prinze Jr. voice a few sentences in spanish (maybe with Cortez...), but his manner of speaking just took me out of the game and made me think of some writer somewhere who really, really needed to consult with actual spanish speakers before finishing Vega's dialogue.


Actually his speach is realistic. Not all Hispanics are bilingual. They know just enough Spanish to drop words into sentences to add emphasis kind of like how Snoop Dog drops in his bizarre variations on pig latin into his speech. I live with a Puerto Rican but Vega's speech is more like second and third generation kids of Mexican descent.


I'm the child of a Cuban immigrant, I married a guy who's the son of a Mexican and Puerto Rican, and my brother's wife's family is Colombian.  I also grew up in New York City, with plenty of people who were either immigrants themselves or children of immigrants from Latin America.

Nobody I know talks like Vega.  I think he would be laughed out of NYC by the hispanic population.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Diana Allers.

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/thread again

Where the hell is Emily Wong?:sick:

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Never liked Udina, or the council. But Udina had one of the worst voice actors in my opinion.

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RenegonSQ wrote...

Never liked Udina, or the council. But Udina had one of the worst voice actors in my opinion.


What is his accent? SOmetimes it sounds Russian. Other times it sounds Scottish.

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naes1984 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Never liked Udina, or the council. But Udina had one of the worst voice actors in my opinion.


What is his accent? SOmetimes it sounds Russian. Other times it sounds Scottish.


I have no idea, but it makes all his lines sound forced.

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How Udina's plotline works and is believable:

Udina has always been about advancing human interests--and his own political power--whenever the opportunity arises. He is ambitious, pragmatic, and possesses a certain cunning--yet he's also selfish and singleminded. Between the events of ME2 and ME3, Udina begins reaching out to pro-human terrorist organization Cerberus in some capacity or another. C-Sec Executor Pallin finds out, and Udina manipulates Bailey into eliminating him (see ME: Inquisition comics).

When the Reapers invade, Udina is violently thrown off of his laurels. Many of his fellow friends and coworkers died on Arcturus, leaving him the highest ranking Alliance politician alive (except for Hackett and Anderson). Torn between his desire to keep power as Councilor, his need to save the people of Earth, and his rage at the rest of the Council for refusing to help, Udina desperately turns to Cerberus for aid. They plan to--eventually--seize control of the Citadel and the Council, forcing the Council races and Citadel fleet to retake Earth and rescue humanity from the Reapers. Udina doesn't trust Cerberus but doesn't see any other options (building the Crucible is just another one of Shepard's foolish errands and will take too long to complete).

But the salarian Councilor is on his trail, thanks to Pallin's evidence, and Udina has to up the schedule of the plan. A large chunk of Cerberus forces hastily invades the Citadel, Kai Leng goes for the salarian Councilor, and Udina begins leading the rest of the Council (and his hand-chosen Spectre, Shepard's former squadmate) into Cerberus clutches. His plan fails, one way or another, and he dies with his dreams of retaking Earth crushed.

He may also have been indoctrinated--working closely with Cerberus--but this is just speculation.
Tl;dr: Udina's storyline isn't that unbelievable, it's just one of desperate measures and opportunistic power grabs.

Modifié par Warlock Adam, 12 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .


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I always hated Udina ever since he stabbed Shep in the back in ME1 and locked us out of the Normandy.

Next to omni-blade stabbing Kai Leng on the Cerberus station, shooting that chump Udina by the shuttle was one of the most gratifying things in all 3 ME games for me.

I like the new council I got too. The old ones made my teeth itch. I changed all my imports to "sacrificed council" now....even for my paragon imports.

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Warlock Adam wrote...

How Udina's plotline works and is believable:

Udina has always been about advancing human interests--and his own political power--whenever the opportunity arises. He is ambitious, pragmatic, and possesses a certain cunning--yet he's also selfish and singleminded. Between the events of ME2 and ME3, Udina begins reaching out to pro-human terrorist organization Cerberus in some capacity or another. C-Sec Executor Pallin finds out, and Udina manipulates Bailey into eliminating him (see ME: Inquisition comics).

When the Reapers invade, Udina is violently thrown off of his laurels. Many of his fellow friends and coworkers died on Arcturus, leaving him the highest ranking Alliance politician alive (except for Hackett and Anderson). Torn between his desire to keep power as Councilor, his need to save the people of Earth, and his rage at the rest of the Council for refusing to help, Udina desperately turns to Cerberus for aid. They plan to--eventually--seize control of the Citadel and the Council, forcing the Council races and Citadel fleet to retake Earth and rescue humanity from the Reapers. Udina doesn't trust Cerberus but doesn't see any other options (building the Crucible is just another one of Shepard's foolish errands and will take too long to complete).

But the salarian Councilor is on his trail, thanks to Pallin's evidence, and Udina has to up the schedule of the plan. A large chunk of Cerberus forces hastily invades the Citadel, Kai Leng goes for the salarian Councilor, and Udina begins leading the rest of the Council (and his hand-chosen Spectre, Shepard's former squadmate) into Cerberus clutches. His plan fails, one way or another, and he dies with his dreams of retaking Earth crushed.

He may also have been indoctrinated--working closely with Cerberus--but this is just speculation.
Tl;dr: Udina's storyline isn't that unbelievable, it's just one of desperate measures and opportunistic power grabs.

Except that the Council is just made up of representatives. They are not the actual government of the races and therefore they don't have any authority over the military of all the races. If the other Councilors suddenly died under unknown circumstances, then military authority would just come from the actual leaders of those races. Or perhaps from the "vice" Councilors, who would still be supporting their races' interests. These interests do not include liberating Earth, so there is no way Udina could command this on his own. Their is nothing important about Citadel whereby after it is caught you can just command the Council races to do your will.

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its hard to remember how dumb kai leng was.

kai leng sucks. good thing someone thought him up, made some comics, and turded out with him in ME3. or was he always a turd in the comics? idk i barely know what kei leng is at all.

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Catalyst, Diana Allers, and Kai Leng I say. Btw nice pic OP, taking a note Catamalata?

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Greylycantrope wrote...

Catalyst, Diana Allers, and Kai Leng I say. Btw nice pic OP, taking a note Catamalata?


Catamalata?

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The Spamming Troll wrote...

its hard to remember how dumb kai leng was.

kai leng sucks. good thing someone thought him up, made some comics, and turded out with him in ME3. or was he always a turd in the comics? idk i barely know what kei leng is at all.


Novels, actually. And no, he was actually pretty cool in them (Deception notwithstanding, that never happened).