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[SpamBot2000]

There is no contest here, and I don't even have to say which character I mean for everyone to understand.

[Kataphrut94]

While I like her character, I always found Kasumi to be a bit...cliched. I mean a cat burgular? Seriously? Who's idea was it to bring a kleptomaniac along on a suicide mission?

I suppose it takes all kinds to make a galaxy. It's why I don't agree with people who complain about, say, Jack 'not fitting in with the lore'. In a galaxy as big as this, somewhere out there you're going to find a crazy super-biotic wearing nothing but tattoos. Or a sexy robot AI. Or a 50'000 year old war veteran.

[White Zombie]

Dead 3way tie between:

Kai Leng
Diane Allers
Star-child/Catalyst/PoorlyThoughtOutFromLeftFieldLastMinuteNonsensicalPlotDevice

Modifié par White Zombie, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:35 .

[flanny]

With Udina I always questioned why he was doing a Michael Jackson with his skin colour.

agree he was a good character in ME1, not a likeable one but one i respected. I still preferred Goyle

Modifié par flanny, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:00 .

[satunnainen]

Turian counselor specially in me2. First they didnt want to believe anything Shepard told them in me1. Then they got stomped by a reaper, just like Shepard had warned them. They barely survived. Then, 2 years after the attack and after they have had enough time to reverse engineer the remains of the Sovereign the counselor has apparently forgotten everything that happened:
Ah yes, the Reapers, we have dismissed that claim...

Urgh. at that point I would have slapped him with a big fish.

[Mimitochan]

Yeah, I agree, I was very surprised too.
Since Udina would be unpopular to begin with, they thought they might as well make him go villain, whether that would make sense or not.

Least believable character in ME3? I would say TIM. He was not believable from Day 1 anyway. And just plainly annoying. Cerberus as a concept is plainly annoying actually.

EDIT> ah, special mention to Jack. I quite like her. But she doesn't fit in ME universe. Rather a Marvel chick.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:10 .

[v TricKy v]

 I never hated Udina really. He was just a politican trying to do his best
He even has a really good speech at the end of ME1 which made him a lot more likeable in my opinion.
Udina speech ME1

[Grimwick]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Casticus wrote...

Oh. Never heard of him.

Even though his name is in your sig?

I lol'd so damn hard at this. 

More relevantly there are several unbelieveable character shifts. Udina is definitely one which stood out for me. He was never that bad.

The other one is Ashley. She went from a highly-opinionated, feminist who was military through and through... to a hateful, spiteful, make-up and miniskirt wearing.... something.

Nope. Kaiden's character was believeable, not Ashley's. 

[Grimwick]

Mimitochan wrote...

Least believable character in ME3? I would say TIM. He was not believable from Day 1 anyway.

I disagree. The humancentric, egotistical businessman who pulls all the strings? He seems like a perfectly reasonable character - one which many narratives have.

And just plainly annoying. Cerberus as a concept is plainly annoying actually.

I disagree, the concept is great. The execution is what made it so ridiculous.

I mean, it was supposed to be a splinter alliance op that went rogue - forming a humancentirc organisation that completely disregards other races' well being. That made sense to me. What I didn't get was suddenly turning this splinter group into a multitrillion credit organisation with it's own army and fleet to rival several nations.

That bit I didn't get at all.

[BatmanPWNS]

He was killed to appeal to the fanbase who believe "Anyone who disagree's with Shepard should be shot"

[nitefyre410]

The Council in ME 2

are you serious, I was expecting a clever cover story for Sovereign not outright denial.

[Grimwick]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The Council in ME 2

are you serious, I was expecting a clever cover story for Sovereign not outright denial.

Especially since, in ME1, they are completely terrified by Sovereign and folow everything Shepard says. Then suddenly in ME2 it's 'only the geth'.

That's simply unrealistic.

[Podge 90]

I actually thought they were going to do something quite clever with Udina. I didn't like him in ME1, I didn't like him in ME2, but I had a feeling he was going to do something in 3 that would redeem him. A "Professor Snape", if you will.

I thought he'd really fight on Shepard's side seeing as there's a galactic invasion afoot. But no....

[Mimitochan]

Grimwick wrote...

I disagree. The humancentric, egotistical businessman who pulls all the strings? He seems like a perfectly reasonable character - one which many narratives have.

I disagree, the concept is great. The execution is what made it so ridiculous.

I mean, it was supposed to be a splinter alliance op that went rogue - forming a humancentirc organisation that completely disregards other races' well being. That made sense to me. What I didn't get was suddenly turning this splinter group into a multitrillion credit organisation with it's own army and fleet to rival several nations.

That bit I didn't get at all.

My bad. I meant ME2/ME3 Cerberus. ME1 Cerberus was great. A worthy foe. Great subquests. Believable and challenging. Subtle. Open to interpretations and questioning. But to promote them as the big villain onwards? No. That's what I meant by that.

As for TIM. Just like for Cerberus, yes, human-centrism, I totally agree is believable and fits with ME storyline and themes. The all powerful business type, yes, very believable too, although i thought it was redundant with Miranda's father, and so, kind of meh. But quite honestly, to date, I still don't make any sense of his motivations (even though I'll admit that that "You should see it like I do." line got me) and I don't really care. I just admitted some time ago after ME2's opening sequence that he was that complicated somewhat idealistic very rich ultimate renegade villain and just put up with him and Cerberus.

If you kept Kaidan alive as a squadmate, you've got this cutscene in crew quarters, where the poor guy tries to make sense out of TIM. Conclusion is: why don't you go and try and play poker with Vega instead? That's what I did.

[Grimwick]

Mimitochan wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

I disagree. The humancentric, egotistical businessman who pulls all the strings? He seems like a perfectly reasonable character - one which many narratives have.

I disagree, the concept is great. The execution is what made it so ridiculous.

I mean, it was supposed to be a splinter alliance op that went rogue - forming a humancentirc organisation that completely disregards other races' well being. That made sense to me. What I didn't get was suddenly turning this splinter group into a multitrillion credit organisation with it's own army and fleet to rival several nations.

That bit I didn't get at all.

My bad. I meant ME2/ME3 Cerberus. ME1 Cerberus was great. A worthy foe. Great subquests. Believable and challenging. Subtle. Open to interpretations and questioning. But to promote them as the big villain onwards? No. That's what I meant by that.

As for TIM. Just like for Cerberus, yes, human-centrism, I totally agree is believable and fits with ME storyline and themes. The all powerful business type, yes, very believable too, although i thought it was redundant with Miranda's father, and so, kind of meh. But quite honestly, to date, I still don't make any sense of his motivations (even though I'll admit that that "You should see it like I do." line got me) and I don't really care. I just admitted some time ago after ME2's opening sequence that he was that complicated somewhat idealistic very rich ultimate renegade villain and just put up with him and Cerberus.

If you kept Kaidan alive as a squadmate, you've got this cutscene in crew quarters, where the poor guy tries to make sense out of TIM. Conclusion is: why don't you go and try and play poker with Vega instead? That's what I did.

Yes, I do think the motivations behind his character went out of the window in ME3. they were great in ME2 when they focused on the actual goal of cerberus. But in ME3 they used a cheap cop-out of indoctrination to make his motivations believeable and that I find ridiciulous.

[Kyuhyun]

Liara changes her personality every 2 minutes so it would be her for me

[Mimitochan]

Grimwick wrote...

Yes, I do think the motivations behind his character went out of the window in ME3. they were great in ME2 when they focused on the actual goal of cerberus. But in ME3 they used a cheap cop-out of indoctrination to make his motivations believeable and that I find ridiciulous.

Ah yes. Indoctrination. Actually and genuinely totally forgot about that wild card.
I so miss Saren.

[Shallyah]

Kyuhyun wrote...

Liara changes her personality every 2 minutes so it would be her for me

That does not make her least lovable, just badly written, as many other things that came from Mac Walters (JamesVega, ME3 ending...).

Lest lovable for me would be Udina. Even when he was on my side of the court I constantly felt like kicking him on the nuts.

Modifié par Shallyah, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:41 .

[Kyuhyun]

Shallyah wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

Liara changes her personality every 2 minutes so it would be her for me

That does not make her least lovable, just badly written, as many other things that came from Mac Walters (JamesVega, ME3 ending...).

Lest lovable for me would be Udina. Even when he was on my side of the court I constantly felt like kicking him on the nuts.

Oh no, i wasn't saying i hate her or anything. Just that she's the least -believable- character for me. Not the least lovable

Modifié par Kyuhyun, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:43 .

[S Atomeha]

syllogi wrote...

Warlock Adam wrote...

People didn't dislike Vega because of his ethnicity or "racial believability." If they did, they're being ridiculous. Nobody can be an unrealistic Hispanic unless their character obviously isn't Hispanic. And Vega's backstory was that he was.

People disliked Vega because he was muscular, the new guy (seemingly a newbie idiot), another "boring human," and took up a slot from familiar ME2 characters. It wasn't hard to believe this guy was real.

Yeah, that wasn't my complaint, it was the way he inserted random spanish words into conversation, my mom would call what he's doing "baby talk."  It's odd sounding, and unbelievable to me.

I understand that the game is set far enough into the future so that the subject of how people talk is pretty moot, but since most other characters talk in a way that we relate to as people from this century, I find his speech pattern odd.

I personally disliked his interaction with FemShep, but that's another story.  I actually quite like most of the "boring humans" in this game.

eh, if you watch people of mixed(i mean like.. American and Asian) or well anything where the combination involves different languages(not dialects), then the children unless a divorce occurs and live with only one side of the family(but even then)  one of the mother tongues will be lost.  They may know a few words here and there, heck they could understand it but one of the languages will be lost unless great effort is made by the children or parents.  It's probably what happened to Vega, the homeworlds comics also show that his dad is a blonde white guy.
side note: Vega isn't Vega's real name, his dad's name is Josh Sanders, his uncle i presume from his mom's side has the last name Vega.(it's possible that his mom was of hispanic descent, while the father wasn't and picked up a few words there.)  

[nitefyre410]

Grimwick wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The Council in ME 2

are you serious, I was expecting a clever cover story for Sovereign not outright denial.

Especially since, in ME1, they are completely terrified by Sovereign and folow everything Shepard says. Then suddenly in ME2 it's 'only the geth'.

That's simply unrealistic.

 

It would have worked better if  they just said. "Official we are sayiing its a Geth Ship.  Unofficial we don't know WTF that  was and were trying to find out." 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:58 .

[iSousek]

^ I agree. For me Udina was a no-brainer for a Council position. Very often people forget what qualities politicians need to have. For me he was a perfect example of how people are not just black or white. And then suddenly BAM - Coup and magic begins.

[drinkurmilk]

I am in full agreement with Udina. His integrity as devout human lobbyist -- which is often assumed as nonexistent because he disagrees with Shepard -- was lost in that abrupt exchange. He better exemplified a nondescript "good/evil" character.

Some have touted the likes of TIM and Liara due to their character progression. To me these are two of the best written characters in the trilogy -- they are reactive to Shepard and shaped by the events of the game. Liara matured via Shepard and TIM's end was tragic, reduced to a shell of his former self.  Others notable for this kind of quality development: Jack, Miranda, Wrex, Grunt, Mordin and Tali.

I'd have liked to have seen more progression from buddy buddy Garrus -- he was one of the more static characters in the trilogy and seemed largely unchanged compared to his comrades.  By no means is he poorly written, I'dve just preferred to have seen different shades of Garrus particularly in regard to his failed C-Sec/Spectre ventures.  Perhaps challenge Shep's authority every so often?

He's regarded as de facto deputy to Shepard due to his leadership qualities, so I'd like to see some more insight into that.  If not 'challenge' Shepard, at least question him/her. 

Modifié par chrisutd, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:15 .

[The Angry One]

Udina's sudden turn to Stupid Evil was ridiculous and based entirely on the fact that people didn't like him.
How gratuitous. I'll tell you what, I didn't like him. But this didn't make him a bad, expendable character. Sometimes the people you don't like are the ones who are the most effective.

This is the same developer that gave us Bhelen in DA:O after all. Sure, different teams but you think some concepts would rub off and all.

This was Udina's chance to shine. Suddenly promoted to the most powerful human political figure in the galaxy (seeing as everyone else died) and faced with the Reaper war. But no, he's going to stage a coup, join Cerberus and be an idiot for no real reason.

Modifié par The Angry One, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:09 .

[Pockydon]

Kai Leng had no place in the ME universe and is a generally dumb and stupid character. I vote Kai Leng!