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[sethroskull79]

Been reading and posting tons about trying an Archer Build.  I keep reading conflicting things.  What Attribute determines your attack score with a bow, STR, or DEX?  I know Cunning determines it with Lethality, as it says it replaces STR for damage.  SO  that leads me to believe that Bow damage is based of of STR not DEX.

[Fleapants]

It's 50% Dex, 50% Str for bows.

With Lethality, it's 50% Dex, 50% Cun.

[Dragon Age1103]

IT should tell you in the description what it is more directed to I'm 99% certain that Dex gives you much more damage but Strength still can contribute to damage. All I know is I never took my strength past 20 on Leliana on my last play through with her dex at about 50 something & she crit for about 650 each time. I wouldn't bother much with strength except for armor which u shouldn't need anymore than 20. Still doesn't hurt to ask around, hope u get an official answer.

[sethroskull79]

So Dex and Cunning are the 2 main factors once Lethality is unlocked. What did you use for Crit? Stealth? Activate Stealth and Aim then use Arrow of Slaying. That has to be a big hitter. Not as much as Mana Clash for a Mage but a close second.

[CID-78]

cunning only replace it if you got more in it then strength and that isn't necissary truth. my first rogue did have more str so lethality was useless and i never got it.

[sethroskull79]

I've read more about rogues using cunning then strength so I will most likely do the same. Lethality and cunning makes sense to me for a Rogue. STR is always handy though, especially before I get LEthality so some points will be used there.

[JTBR02]

I think you are slightly off base on bow attributes. The simple answer to your question is that DEX determines your ATTACK score with all bows.



Once you manage to actually hit something, your damage is influenced by both your Dex and your Str/Cun score depending on the type of bow you are using and whether you are using Lethality. If you are using a crossbow, you do not get a bons from Str/Cun, both of the other bow types give you a roughly .5 damage per point of Dex and Str or Cun.



Of course a high Cunning also contributes to your crits which effects your long term DPS, but I think that goes beyond the scope of what you are asking in this post.

[sethroskull79]

No any and all info is important as I am trying to understand the concept of Archery Damage and how it is determined. You can elablorate more if you want.

[Dude1011]

If you want to maximuize your archer damege with the dex hotfix shortbows get 100% damage increase from DEX whice is a very good optioin. I did it with my dalish rouge archer and he works very well. I know people that have solo'd Nightmare diff with just a rouge archer.

[Fleapants]

Regarding bows:
- 1 point of Str adds ½ damage (substitute with Cun if you have Lethality and Cun > Str)
- 1 point of Dex adds ½ damage and 1 attack rating

When making a rogue archer, you can chose to focus your stats around Dex, Cun or a mix.
- Dex heavy builds hits a lot and hits hard. In addition, Rapid Shot benefits greatly from Dex (as seen here), especially when you get Master Archer. You will have to use a lot of talent and skillpoints on Coercion, Lockpicking and Stealing if you plan on using those, compared to a Cun archer.

- Cun archers will hit less, but you will have more talent and skillpoints to play around with (you'll have to waste 2 talent points on melee strikes to get to Lethality though). Should you specialize as a Bard, your Song of Courage will be greatly improved, and it will benefit your other party members as well.

So, focus on Dex if you want to be a damage monster. Focus on Cun if you want to trade damage for utility.

Modifié par Fleapants, 17 décembre 2009 - 03:51 .

[sethroskull79]

So if I go DEX then I don't have to go up the Lethality tree. It seems that way.

[Fleapants]

sethroskull79 wrote...

So if I go DEX then I don't have to go up the Lethality tree. It seems that way.

Yeah, only go for Lethality if you have talent points to spare. You'll need a Cunning of 30 to open all locks with 4 points in the lockpicking tree, so your Cun should be higher than your Str (by about 10 points) making Lethality a minor damage increase.
Completing the Archery tree and getting the Ranger pets and filling the Stealth tree should give you much more bang for the buck.

[Siven80]

good points from Fleapants but for one error. Dex only gives 0.5 to attack rating instead of the full 1 point it states ingame.

Also if you have a bow with rapid aim on it, using the rapid shot ability doesnt increase attack speed but will still removed the chance for your attacks to crit. So once your bow has rapid aim, drop rapid shot.

[Fleapants]

Siven80 wrote...

good points from Fleapants but for one error. Dex only gives 0.5 to attack rating instead of the full 1 point it states ingame.
Also if you have a bow with rapid aim on it, using the rapid shot ability doesnt increase attack speed but will still removed the chance for your attacks to crit. So once your bow has rapid aim, drop rapid shot.

Ah well. That'll teach me to trust the wiki

If the blurb from The Missing Manual about Rapid Shot + Master Archer is correct and there's no haste cap, then you can go above 100% haste when your Dex is high enough. I doubt that Master Archer works with the trait on bows, so Rapid Shot might still be worth having activated on Dex-heavy archers.
I'll try to test it out later.

[Siven80]

From what ive seen only one source of haste (whether rapid shot, rapid aim or haste spell) works at any one time.

Hopefully its a bug, but atm i and others have seen no difference havimg more than 1 of the above on at the same time. (hopes its a bug)

[sethroskull79]

I love a challenge but not knowing exactly what stats to invest in is frustrating. I wish I knew how damage was calculated. Lets say I got a longbow with 9.5 damage 30 dex and 30 Str. With a +4 to damage. What should my damage be?

[Fleapants]

sethroskull79 wrote...

I love a challenge but not knowing exactly what stats to invest in is frustrating. I wish I knew how damage was calculated. Lets say I got a longbow with 9.5 damage 30 dex and 30 Str. With a +4 to damage. What should my damage be?

You will get 10 points of damage from both Str and Dex (the first 10 points in each stat doesn't increase anything).
Your bow in itself does a minimum of 9.5 damage, but it's damage range is 1.5 so it's actual damage, before stats, is from 9.5 to 14.25.
Thus, your damage should be 33.5 (9.5 + 10 + 10 + 4) to 38.25 (14.25 + 10 + 10 +4) - as I understand the formulas ^^

Note that you'll do the same base damage whether you pump Dex or Str/Cun. Dex will give you a better chance to hit, while Cun will give you "other stuff".
Your Dex archer will be more self-sufficient and won't improve your group much. A Cun archer needs a bit of help from your group members to be able to hit stuff all the time (Heroic Offense, Rally etc etc) but in turn provides a very nice group buff (you should go really bard if you go Cun ).
So, your choice in what style to pick really depends on who you'll bring along in your group and how you'll develop them.

[sethroskull79]

So to get crits I would have to activate Aim, and other things to enhance the chance of Crits.

[Loc'n'lol]

sethroskull79 wrote...

So to get crits I would have to activate Aim, and other things to enhance the chance of Crits.

Aim multiplies your crit chance by 1. That is to say t doesn't actually affect it.
To get random ranged crits your best chance is song of courage IMO.

[sethroskull79]

What About stealth. Thought that the first attck out of stealth is a crit

[arrrasdgaehjskmszkm]

Yep, but only the first.. and if you love criticals, the only way to improve is aim (slows fire ratio as hell) bard song ( fantastic with high cun) an equipment ( specs as assasin dont improve ranged crit only melee crit).

When playing an archer, normally crits are not the problem, i found the armor penetration very low if you dont pup up cun. Or so it seems to me. So normally i let str on 20 and spend points on dex and cun. Much more on dex if you are not duelist because you are going to miss much ( well, too much for my liking, at last)

[sethroskull79]

Yeah I am thinking about Bard/Ranger with heavy Dex/Cun. Sprinkle in some Str and Willpower. Can't wait. Still wish I knew more about the dynamics of Bow Damage.

[Fleapants]

You will want to spend 4 point in Stealth so you can get a guaranteed crit every 10 seconds (and so you can let your tank regain control of any nasties you peel of him). There's a belt and a hat that increases ranged crit by 7% in total. The best bow you can get gives another 3%. Let Morrigan learn Death Hex if you need more crit than that ^^

You don't have to worry too much about armor penetration, as Shattering Shot /w Master Archer will reduce armor by 30. That's more than most enemies in the game have - so be sure to use that before you use Arrow of Slaying.

[sethroskull79]

Thanks. I think I got a good idea of what I want to do now. Thanks to all for any advise given.