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[corporal doody]

Baa Baa wrote...

I don't care if it's real or not. What I care about is the fact that BioWare pussed out and didn't confirm it nor deny it. I actually was hoping they would flat out deny it in the EC, that way most of the speculations would die. But of course, they love them speculations.
EDIT: And this whole "IT is dead" trend that keeps going is useless. We'll never know whether or not BioWare was ever intending on such an ending. There's a lot of evidence to support and go against IT so I don't even see the point in trying to **** on anyone elses parade. Let the Indoctrination Theorists enjoy they're interpretation and we can enjoy ours.

WHAT? first.....why would they need to confirm or deny a FANFIC?!!

second....EC says it DIDNT HAPPEN!

[Fuzzfro]

IT theory was cool, but a longshot to begin with.
Anyone who still thinks IT is true is kidding themselves, extended cut is the last major change we will ever see to the endings.

[Ghost Pepper Tears]

Baa Baa wrote...

I don't care if it's real or not. What I care about is the fact that BioWare pussed out and didn't confirm it nor deny it. I actually was hoping they would flat out deny it in the EC, that way most of the speculations would die. But of course, they love them speculations.
EDIT: And this whole "IT is dead" trend that keeps going is useless. We'll never know whether or not BioWare was ever intending on such an ending. There's a lot of evidence to support and go against IT so I don't even see the point in trying to **** on anyone elses parade. Let the Indoctrination Theorists enjoy they're interpretation and we can enjoy ours.

Agreed.

Instead of arguing who is right regarding various aspects of a work of fiction (my theme for tonight) how about we engage in creative and critical discussions about our interpretations of the ME universe, it's endings and the moments that made us feel.

I have my faith in humanity...

[Lax0r]

Ghost Pepper Tears wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

I don't care if it's real or not. What I care about is the fact that BioWare pussed out and didn't confirm it nor deny it. I actually was hoping they would flat out deny it in the EC, that way most of the speculations would die. But of course, they love them speculations.
EDIT: And this whole "IT is dead" trend that keeps going is useless. We'll never know whether or not BioWare was ever intending on such an ending. There's a lot of evidence to support and go against IT so I don't even see the point in trying to **** on anyone elses parade. Let the Indoctrination Theorists enjoy they're interpretation and we can enjoy ours.

Agreed.

Instead of arguing who is right regarding various aspects of a work of fiction (my theme for tonight) how about we engage in creative and critical discussions about our interpretations of the ME universe, it's endings and the moments that made us feel.

I have my faith in humanity...

So you're trying to say that the end doesn't have to make sense and can contradict ME1&2 lore?

Mass Effect is not poetry!

In poetry there is room for interpretation. It is even desirable to have room for interpretation in poetry but this is not poetry. It's a continuing story.

You're free to argue abouth what happens, when you choose Control, Destroy or Synthesis, but when the character offering this choice contradicts previous lore then I have a problem with that.

Modifié par Lax0r, 12 juillet 2012 - 06:13 .

[DasGota]

I don't mind IT being used as a headcanon. You're more than entitled to craft your post-game story however you please.

It's the people who vehemently defend it as "fact", determined that this is "what actually happened", and are still waiting for further DLC to expand upon the truth... well... That just ain't happening, and it gets exhausting to listen too.

[Vespervin]

Xemnas07 wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

What does Skyrim have to do with this?

im using it as a comparison of success, Skyrim was realeased over 6 months ago, and is STILL $60 bucks, while ME3 is $30. Are you kidding me? Games that are 2 years old are still 30!! BW could have made an even MORE successful game in my opinion (and imo, pre-ending the game was THE best game ive ever played) than Skyrim, but because they got lazy and let EA rush them out the door, and just plain dropped the ball, they failed

BioWare "let EA rush them"? It wasn't BioWares choice.

[OzBoss]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

IT was bad. I'm glad Bioware didn't use it.

[Errationatus]

Skyrim sucks. 

Ahhh...  that felt good.

Skyrim is an unbelievably boring, glitch-riddled piece of sh!t. I know this because I played it.  Or tried to play it before I had to stop because my brain was threatening to deliberately cause the failure of a few major organs if I didn't stop making it stupid with this crappy-ass oversized expansion of the Medieval Sims.

The main storyline, if all the extraneous fvckwittery is skipped, lasts about four hours. Five if you stop and steal a horse, which you can then ride straight-up cliff faces in ways you could never manage in the Mako.  Stuff the more ardent of players of this knobbery wouldn't condescend to do in real life has suddenly become "innovative gameplay."

"Skyrim?  What's that?"

"It's a game where you can walk or run for three hours while bears and wolves and spiders attack you every three seconds!  Why there's even a quest that requires you to cut wood!"

"Are you kidding me?!  Give me that controller - move, scum!  Cutting wood?  I'm so there!"

There's some assclown on the 'Tube - "MajorJunkSmacker" or some sh!t - that has something like 200 gameplay videos of about 20 minutes each of Skyrim and the first 130 of them are of his character catching butterflies, collecting berries and making hide bracers.  He's hasn't even gone to the Thalomar Embassy yet. 

Scintillating stuff, lemme tellja.

ME3 blows that game away in every respect, even with its flaws. It uses more than five voice actors, and you don't have to grind away to get enough coin to get that cool weapon - the "Horrendous Sword of Pubescence" that - by the time you actually do have enough coin - you will have found a better one -"The Vicious Club of Turgidity" - in the lame cave of lameness after you killed the standard giant RPG spider.

Hell, I'd rather play Diablo III...  oh, wait...  the recycled Diablo II 12 years in the making and they still can't get their servers to stay up consistently?

Nevermind. 

Yeah... soooo much better than ME3.  Idiots really need to stop comparing the two, because it's not only stupid, it's stupidly stupid stupidity.

/rant

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 12 juillet 2012 - 06:46 .

[Ghost Pepper Tears]

Lax0r wrote...

snip

So you're trying to say that the end doesn't have to make sense and can contradict ME1&2 lore?

Mass Effect is not poetry!

In poetry there is room for interpretation. It is even desirable to have room for interpretation in poetry but this is not poetry. It's a continuing story.

You're free to argue abouth what happens, when you choose Control, Destroy or Synthesis, but when the character offering this choice contradicts previous lore then I have a problem with that.

Literally, it's not poetry, no. But it can be interpreted as poetry, though.

I also still feel the ending is out of touch with the rest of the ME universe (ME 1 and 2.) While the CE gave it the ol' college try, it still felt patchwork instead of the brilliance exhibited in the previous sections. I guess I'm just weary and losing interest in defending or refuting to such a passionate degree.

Apathy has been hanging out on my couch for the last couple of weeks and I'm not sure how to convince him (it?) it's time to go.

I leave with the indefatigable wisdom of The Fixx "Why don't they do what they say, say what they mean, one thing leads to another."

PS if this makes no sense, it is because I'm way past my bedtime, which can be worse than drunk texting.

Modifié par Ghost Pepper Tears, 12 juillet 2012 - 06:52 .

[D00m580]

So now a company fails by not implementing a fanfic spawned by fantasies of people with too much free time on their hands? Mkay.

[Aviditie]

I love catching butterflies! And I live roaming around a synthetic world discovering it and it's people indefinitely.

I don't love endings that have huge plot holes, that make me feel like what ive decided to that point never really mattered, and that retroactively ruin past games to the point they are unplayable. Maybe ME3's ending didn't do that to everyone. I came on here to see if the EC helped that feeling. It seems to have assuaged it for some people. I wasn't and am not suffering for lack of closure. I'm suffering from SC-induced disbelief of the ending. I guess I wondered if the EC helped that at all for people.

Otherwise, I'm better off collecting moss and catching butterflies. ;-) though I'm more of an Assassin's Creed fan, ultimately.

[Bill Casey]

corporal doody wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...



Deckard is a replicant, Quaid is still in Rekall, and Shepard is fighting indoctrination...

DISAGREE

WHAT??!!!

UM...........whah?

You have every right to disagree,  but you should know you disagree with Ridley Scott.
www.youtube.com/watch
Not that his interpretation of his own work is any more valid than yours.

Total Recall
Paul Verhoeven even points out the part where Quaid receives a lobotomy, and outright says most of the film is in Quaid's head. Again, this is just the interpretation of the director that didn't come out until years later.

Whah ain't no country I ever heard of, do they speak English in whah?



My interpretation is that you're wrong and you should feel bad...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:30 .

[SpamBot2000]

IanPolaris wrote...

BrysonC wrote...

Why do people want the Indoctrination Theory? That would be even less satisfying than what we have now, IMO.

Ultimately I think the big appeal of IT is that it gives Bioware a second chance to give as a REAL second ending that actually is consistant with the themes and lore of the universe. 

For what it's worth, I don't think Bioware is humble enough or willing enough to take the artistic "out" that IT is offering them and it's a damn shame.  While I now think IT is false based on what I am seeing now, I also think it was almost true.  That is I strongly suspect that Shepard was supposed to either have been indoctrinated or had to fight it off at some point in the game, and Bioware couldn't make it work....but they didn't remove all the clues leading up to it.  JIMHO.

-Polaris

Was gonna do a wall of text, but this sums it up nicely.

[Kyuhyun]

Xemnas07 wrote...

But IT is dead. BW was obviously not the geniuses we gave them credit for, and they couldnt pull of the biggest, most intelligent and awe inspiring mind warp in gaming history. So please, stop. EC puts it to rest. BW failed, and made a perfect 10 game that could compete with Skyrim into an average 8 game that is now only worth $30 4 months after release, while Skyrim is STILL $60. We were grasping at straws trying to save our favorite game and trilogy, but face it; it was just bad writing and the inconsistencies and plot holes are just that; inconsistencies and plot holes.

its 20$ on amazon

[corporal doody]

Bill Casey wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...



Deckard is a replicant, Quaid is still in Rekall, and Shepard is fighting indoctrination...

DISAGREE

WHAT??!!!

UM...........whah?

You have every right to disagree,  but you should know you disagree with Ridley Scott.
www.youtube.com/watch
Not that his interpretation of his own work is any more valid than yours.

Total Recall
Paul Verhoeven even points out the part where Quaid receives a lobotomy, and outright says most of the film is in Quaid's head. Again, this is just the interpretation of the director.

Whah ain't no country I ever heard of, do they speak English in whah?

My interpretation is that you're wrong and you should feel bad...

in regards to Blade Runner.....
It is one of the major beefs i have with the director's cut...or was it the extended cut...or was it the extended director's cut.....The newer cut without Harrison Ford's voiceover....  the twist is weak.....and it differs from the book that influenced the movie.

in regards to Total Recall....
I own the director's cut...but havent watched it.....BUT.....the theatrical release says otherwise....so um..im gonna by that. AND IF it aint in the director's cut...IT IS BS that you have to go to another media to get answers!

WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO.

Modifié par corporal doody, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:33 .

[Bill Casey]

IanPolaris wrote...

Ultimately I think the big appeal of IT is that it gives Bioware a second chance to give as a REAL second ending that actually is consistant with the themes and lore of the universe.

I disagree...
The appeal of IT lies within its own brilliancy...

[corporal doody]

Bill Casey wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Ultimately I think the big appeal of IT is that it gives Bioware a second chance to give as a REAL second ending that actually is consistant with the themes and lore of the universe.

I disagree...
The appeal of IT lies within its own brilliancy...

the biggest beef i have with IT.....once you think it is there...whether it is or not...to you it is. You tell yourself YUP...that is what it is...then you see other stuff that "supports" what you see....whether it is there or not...then you dig and dig and dig and dig.

Perception is 9/10 the truth

tis why i love PROFILING.

Modifié par corporal doody, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:42 .

[Facemelter91]

This thread is full of opinions and in my opinion stfu. Whether you want people to believe in IT or not there still going to believe in IT. B**ching about it and outright stating "IT is bad" as if it was some fact just makes you look like a complete ass. "How dare they have their own interpretation of a game that was PURPOSEFULLY left open to interpretation". Its as if BioWare purposefully kept from disproving IT. O wait THEY DID. "We can not deny nor confirm the Indoctrination theory".

Seriously I haven't seen an IT thread with the exception of the mega thread on the front page for quite some time and then the tools that continue to say "UHHH it was disproven!!" are the ones that keep bringing it up.Take your own advice and shut the hell up about it.

[Lax0r]

Ghost Pepper Tears wrote...
Snip
I leave with the indefatigable wisdom of The Fixx "Why don't they do what they say, say what they mean, one thing leads to another."

Puts it quite well, I guess.

The problem is we have no clear statement from BioWare. If the EC would have debunked the IT, we could at least all move on.

It's like a person, who dissapears for several years. The odds that he/she is dead are high, but as long as you don't find the body, you can't start griefing because you always hope that he/she lives.

[Binary_Helix 1]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

BSN never gonna give IT up,
Never gonna let IT down,
Never gonna run around and,
Desert IT.

LOL

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:01 .

[The Angry One]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

BSN never gonna give IT up,
Never gonna let IT down,
Never gonna run around and,
Desert IT.

Never gonna make IT cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell an IT lie and,
Oo oO THIS HURTS YOU. Oo oO

[ZackG312]

OzBoss wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

IT was bad. I'm glad Bioware didn't use it.

so you happy with a push a button to win ending

wow so deep

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

The Angry One wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

BSN never gonna give IT up,
Never gonna let IT down,
Never gonna run around and,
Desert IT.

Never gonna make IT cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell an IT lie and,
Oo oO THIS HURTS YOU. Oo oO

We've known IT for so long,
Your art's been aching, but 
You're too entitled to say it, 
Inside, we both know what's going on,
We bought the game, but I guess we're not going to play it.

I just want to clarify how I'm feeling, 
Gotta make you, understand! (Our endings.)

[hexediter]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

IT was bad. I'm glad Bioware didn't use it.

This. I don't see why people look past the fact that IT would have been just as bad or worse than original endings.

I've let go of IT, but you have to have a pretty active imagination to think that IT could somehow be worse then what we got when the game shipped.  Having the player being indoctrinated would be considered brilliant by some and hated by others, but it certainly wouldn't have been incoherent crap that we got which is so much worse.  At least they polished the turd, I'll give them credit for that, but what could have been still stings.

[GenericEnemy]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

BSN never gonna give IT up,
Never gonna let IT down,
Never gonna run around and,
Desert IT.

Never gonna make IT cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell an IT lie and,
Oo oO THIS HURTS YOU. Oo oO

We've known IT for so long,
Your art's been aching, but 
You're too entitled to say it, 
Inside, we both know what's going on,
We bought the game, but I guess we're not going to play it.

I just want to clarify how I'm feeling, 
Gotta make you, understand! (Our endings.)

So much win.