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[vixvicco]

IT is finally dead!

[Brovikk Rasputin]

warlock22 wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each player’s take on it.

And ultimately, our opinion on what is “really” happening is no more accurate than what a player believes when playing it. The interpretation of the story is a player choice, and like other choices in the game we don’t like to trample on it by definitively stating what is “canon”.

... so then if it is so enjoyable, then why is most of the fan base still upset? Most of us wanted canon endings, that what we were lead to believe that we were going to get. They way I see it from what I've read and seen, you were either to lazy and/or pressed for time to give us true endings. Hell you got moved the writer who wrote ME1 and ME2 to SWTOR, thats probobly why this happend, you didn't follow up on what he had planned from the begining and so we got this...

"Most of the fans" are not upset. Stop saying that.

[VoodooDrackus]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Mesina...

You're arguing an absurd extreme of absolutes, an impossible standard considering the medium of a pre-programmed game. All pre-designed stories, by their nature, are only going to allow a spectrum of choice within an advancing plot. An RPG video game is not, and has never been, about absolute freedom of choice. That does not mean that there can only be a single interpretation of the events that do occur, and you know this: an interpretation isn't just an event that occurs, but the context around it. They 'why' for your motivation, or what you believe the implications will be.

You're better than this.

OK, could you explain to me how Thane and Legion being able to survive would deny advancement of the plot in same way?

It wouldn't. Of course, writing Thane and Legion out of the plot entirely wouldn't deny the advancement of the plot in any way either, because there are nigh-infinite alternative permutations you could choose to follow.

Yes, it wouldn't effect the advancement of the plot per se but it would lessen the value of the meaning of the plot.
Legion is showing you that he is willing to sacrifice himself so that his species can evolve.
Thane's death either leaves you an emotional wreck, touches you deeply as you recite his last rites, or you just shrug your shoulders because it means nothing to you. In any case if he is alive at the time you meet Kai Leng, he steps in to fight him so that another can live. Again a message to the player, that has an effect on them if they so let it.

Personally, I would argue that without those deaths the game would have a lot less meaning to me. They helped plot out my Shepard's ending decision.

[Sousabird]

Game is fine,
I would rather have a bleach chugging contest then have IT be real.

[Sousabird]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each player’s take on it.

And ultimately, our opinion on what is “really” happening is no more accurate than what a player believes when playing it. The interpretation of the story is a player choice, and like other choices in the game we don’t like to trample on it by definitively stating what is “canon”.

... so then if it is so enjoyable, then why is most of the fan base still upset? Most of us wanted canon endings, that what we were lead to believe that we were going to get. They way I see it from what I've read and seen, you were either to lazy and/or pressed for time to give us true endings. Hell you got moved the writer who wrote ME1 and ME2 to SWTOR, thats probobly why this happend, you didn't follow up on what he had planned from the begining and so we got this...

"Most of the fans" are not upset. Stop saying that.

Lol have to agree with you there

[ArtGerhardt]

My thoughts of IT when about to make one of the three choices with EC installed:

IT is probably dead! ****. I'm gonna shoot Starbrat cause i'm angry.

SO BE IT.

[Applepie_Svk]

Novate wrote...


They also promised 16 different endings, no 3 button endings and Rachni was gonna play a big part at the end. Guess what, it all went bye bye

IGN PR crap...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each player’s take on it. 

And ultimately, our opinion on what is “really” happening is no more accurate than what a player believes when playing it. The interpretation of the story is a player choice, and like other choices in the game we don’t like to trample on it by definitively stating what is “canon”.

... so then if it is so enjoyable, then why is most of the fan base still upset? Most of us wanted canon endings, that what we were lead to believe that we were going to get. They way I see it from what I've read and seen, you were either to lazy and/or pressed for time to give us true endings. Hell you got moved the writer who wrote ME1 and ME2 to SWTOR, thats probobly why this happend, you didn't follow up on what he had planned from the begining and so we got this...

"Most of the fans" are not upset. Stop saying that.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 12 juillet 2012 - 06:00 .

[tyrvas]

Christoffee wrote...

tyrvas wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each player’s take on it.

......

Exactly!!! Some people don't seem to understand this.

Then I would like to know your interpretation of ME3's story. It's just that I don't know who created The Reapers.

Starchild just says that we wouldn't know them. Oh, okay then! I'll ask again via DLC.

What a great way to end the trilogy, with a big fat question mark.

Casper and the Reapers got blown to bits in my world.
The 1st true reaper & the ones that followed (as we know them) where created by Casper.

[Daverid]

Typical PR Bullspit by BioWare ... Seriously grow some balls and just tell your fanbase already ..

IS IT TRUE/FALSE??

It's not fking hard honestly. When you (BioWare) throw around Artistic Integrity every 10 seconds as to the reason WHY you didn't change your ending, and only EXTENDED it with Clarity and Closure (I had a smirk writing that as even the "Clarity and Closure" is laughable), you CLEARLY had a Vision as to what the Ending were going to be and what effect they would have.

You even went as far to show us slides of what happens to the world after the decision was made, and WENT FURTHER and gave A Big middle finger to a decent portion of your fanbase by adding Refuse ... Yet you can't just man up and say, "IT is true/false".

Personally I don't believe in it anymore and will permanently stay away from all future BioWare products ... But you've got a portion of the fanbase who still believe in IT, and when all the DLC's come out and there's no IT in any of it, you will lose them as customers anyway, so may as well break their Hopes now and get it over and done with :S

I hope you don't take pre-picked questions at Comic-Con.. And I hope you get fking ripped apart by some fans, you deserve it. It will be the last time I'll ever have anything to do with BioWare again, I hope I get to at least watch you Squirm before I say goodbye, you deserve it over and over.

[BDelacroix]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

sci-fy.

Oh no, did that rotten channel name change make this the official spelling now?

[Paranoidal nemesis]

I don't want any endings changed, and I don't want any more clarity. I want to see post ending dlc unique to each ending, mass effect is kinda dead anyways.

[Ithurael]

Even Clevernoob "called it" stating that he believes that IT is more or less dead. Odds are right now he is still a bit emotional from everything.

It is interesting...he seems to talk himself into believing that the IT is real

Then he starts to relent

Then he gets cynical and begins to say that "Bioware f*cked up"

Then he gets sad and ends


almost like the stages of grief
Denial,anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance

LOL

[Broham]

noobcannon wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

is now only worth $30 4 months after release, while Skyrim is STILL $60.

it's still 60 on origin

Even EA chooses Refusal in the end...

Denial can be a powerful thing

[darkiddd]

TullyAckland wrote...

The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each player’s take on it.

And ultimately, our opinion on what is “really” happening is no more accurate than what a player believes when playing it. The interpretation of the story is a player choice, and like other choices in the game we don’t like to trample on it by definitively stating what is “canon”.

Yet you still say on Twitter that if you refuse the catalyst failed logic product of bad writting and a few joints then the next cycle will use the crucible. Wonderful


Not that I mind. As you said we can interpret our own story and for me the next cycle never uses the crucible. 

[Binary_Helix 1]

BP93 wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

But IT is dead. BW was obviously not the geniuses we gave them credit for, and they couldnt pull of the biggest, most intelligent and awe inspiring mind warp in gaming history. So please, stop. EC puts it to rest. BW failed, and made a perfect 10 game that could compete with Skyrim into an average 8 game that is now only worth $30 4 months after release, while Skyrim is STILL $60. We were grasping at straws trying to save our favorite game and trilogy, but face it; it was just bad writing and the inconsistencies and plot holes are just that; inconsistencies and plot holes.

This is the part that pisses me off. I went into Gamestop the other day and saw a brand new copy of ME3 for 25 bucks. Like WTF?! I paid almost 70 bucks for mine with the Javik DLC included. What's the point of buying a brand new game anymore if you can just wait a few months and get it for more than 50% off? Ridiculous.

I know you have to buy the stupid online pass nowadays for EA games but that's the kind of **** that makes buying used games a damn bargain. How does a game sell for 60 bucks and then turns right around just a few months later and sell for 25?

Communists. <_<

Agreed.

I feel totally ripped off by ME3 both as a fan and as a consumer.

[wantedman dan]

TullyAckland wrote...

The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each player’s take on it.

And ultimately, our opinion on what is “really” happening is no more accurate than what a player believes when playing it. The interpretation of the story is a player choice, and like other choices in the game we don’t like to trample on it by definitively stating what is “canon”.

That's why the catalyst tried its hardest to influence us to synthesis, right?

[JamieCOTC]

TullyAckland wrote...

The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each player’s take on it.

And ultimately, our opinion on what is “really” happening is no more accurate than what a player believes when playing it. The interpretation of the story is a player choice, and like other choices in the game we don’t like to trample on it by definitively stating what is “canon”.

Good. Now my Shepard can come back from Synthesis.

[Baa Baa]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Novate wrote...


They also promised 16 different endings, no 3 button endings and Rachni was gonna play a big part at the end. Guess what, it all went bye bye

IGN PR crap...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each player’s take on it. 

And ultimately, our opinion on what is “really” happening is no more accurate than what a player believes when playing it. The interpretation of the story is a player choice, and like other choices in the game we don’t like to trample on it by definitively stating what is “canon”.

... so then if it is so enjoyable, then why is most of the fan base still upset? Most of us wanted canon endings, that what we were lead to believe that we were going to get. They way I see it from what I've read and seen, you were either to lazy and/or pressed for time to give us true endings. Hell you got moved the writer who wrote ME1 and ME2 to SWTOR, thats probobly why this happend, you didn't follow up on what he had planned from the begining and so we got this...

"Most of the fans" are not upset. Stop saying that.

Agreed

Modifié par Baa Baa, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:51 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

He was being facetious.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .

[KevShep]

arial wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

arial wrote...

..this is not gonna end well...

eh, as long as they just stop, accept the terrible writing, and move on so that we can JUST FREAKING enjoy all the perfection that this trilogy is PRE-ENDING

I agree with you man, people are complaining to much and we should all just sit back and enjoy the great game, sure its not perfect, but its still a great game.

its just... The pro IT people never let these kinda threads last very long

Game devs have a responsibility to there fans. Most people do... NOT... like the endings(however most people are only ok with it).

I wanted to be more then "ok" with a great series end and was not givin that. It would have been great with an indoctrination attempt on shep as it would have made it an emotional impact on us. I always thought that my Shep would at some point come face to face with an indoctrination attempt and the fact that he did not kind of brakes the game.

Modifié par KevShep, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:32 .

[cyclopsgd]

mass effect 3 wouldn't be my favorite game in the trilogy even with a good ending.

[Mechler]

So we can interpret ME3 anyway we want? Well Bioware sure goes with a very odd definition for 'story' since Karpyshyn went to do his personal stuff.. But since I'm here..
1. I hate IT and am very happy Bioware didn't canonize it. A crappy ending is better than a cliffhanger that closes nothing. At least this way the ending was shipped with the end of the story. Doing the opposite would have ben a dick move.
2. Skyrim AKA Better than ME3 Nr 1. :Skyrim didn't spend much time on my hardrive. I had like no motivation to do anything and like leveling up 8 levels at once and spending all of it on combat skills apparently made me a weaker fighter. Honestly I enjoyed Diablo 2 or Dark Forces 2 far more. Oh and Even Pre-EC Mass Effect 3. And SInce I can interpret KAsumi's sidequest anyway...
3. Witcher 2 AKA Better thna ME3 Nr 2.: People tend to pull witcher 2 out of their asses when they want to cite a game which takes decisions very seriously. News flash: It begins with disregarding all and every decisions you made in Witcher 1. Romanced Shani? Sorry. Saved Ada? Sorry. And so on. ME3 did an excerllent job with using seemingly unimportant ME1 sidequests(Conrad).

[KevShep]

Mechler wrote...

So we can interpret ME3 anyway we want? Well Bioware sure goes with a very odd definition for 'story' since Karpyshyn went to do his personal stuff.. But since I'm here..
1. I hate IT and am very happy Bioware didn't canonize it. A crappy ending is better than a cliffhanger that closes nothing. At least this way the ending was shipped with the end of the story. Doing the opposite would have ben a dick move.
2. Skyrim AKA Better than ME3 Nr 1. :Skyrim didn't spend much time on my hardrive. I had like no motivation to do anything and like leveling up 8 levels at once and spending all of it on combat skills apparently made me a weaker fighter. Honestly I enjoyed Diablo 2 or Dark Forces 2 far more. Oh and Even Pre-EC Mass Effect 3. And SInce I can interpret KAsumi's sidequest anyway...
3. Witcher 2 AKA Better thna ME3 Nr 2.: People tend to pull witcher 2 out of their asses when they want to cite a game which takes decisions very seriously. News flash: It begins with disregarding all and every decisions you made in Witcher 1. Romanced Shani? Sorry. Saved Ada? Sorry. And so on. ME3 did an excerllent job with using seemingly unimportant ME1 sidequests(Conrad).

The game would have NOT ended with a cliffhanger had the IT been true. A new DLC could then finish the game and give a new meaning to the word "immersion" in the way that we play games by actually indoctrinating the player throught by taking to heart the catalyst's logic.

Modifié par KevShep, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:47 .

[Merchant2006]

IT was a nice T.

A nice. Theory.

But post-EC the IT is a load of codswallop. And then people made a Mark II thread. I mean, just let it die already. Morons.