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[Dauphin2]

Actually the outfits weren't nearly risque enough.

[darkmax1974]

to the OP, you do have to remember that in reality, in those days and age, female warriors were an extreme rarity. Few armorer would even bother to make leather armor for the female form, much less in plates.

[Tatooine92]

I *like* the current female armor. I especially like the splintmail, and there's that one set called "Effort"... Ooh, I did so like that one. It was a little bulky, but it looked badass.



The one I didn't like was one of the leather armors on my dwarven commoner girl. It was too short, but it was easily fixed... by finding/buying another set of armor! Haha! I win.

[darkshadow136]

wait for the modders they will make the good stuff. The modding community will get the great armor out before bioware does.

[gotthammer]

http://files.blogter...a Mal Doran.png  -> leather!

[darkshadow136]

gotthammer wrote...

http://files.blogter...a Mal Doran.png  -> leather!

Oh yeah get morrigan over here. Dang that Claudia Black is not only hot to look at but that voice.

[sarahbau]

darkmax1974 wrote...

to the OP, you do have to remember that in reality, in those days and age, female warriors were an extreme rarity. Few armorer would even bother to make leather armor for the female form, much less in plates.

And they wouldn't need to. Despite what fantasy games tell us, armor isn't really form-fitting. Leather armor would probably have straps to make it fit multiple sizes of people, and there's no reason to build a bra into it. Breasts don't need to be defined in armor. They already make stuff for elves and dwarves. A female human could probably wear elven male armor.

[Darpaek]

gotthammer wrote...

http://files.blogter...a Mal Doran.png  -> leather!

DA2 FTW!!!!!!

[Luxus]

Yes.

[Sarevok Anchev]

darkmax1974 wrote...

to the OP, you do have to remember that in reality, in those days and age, female warriors were an extreme rarity. Few armorer would even bother to make leather armor for the female form, much less in plates.

Thats why im asking for a redesign of female armors. Thats the point
I always have the picture of Rowan in my head, that appeared because of David Gaiders narration.

[SweetiePea]

Why am I not surprised that this topic has all of the pre-pubescent boys in lather?



I absolutely loathe and detest that leather armor for females in this game. At least when I played a warrior, the heavy armor looked like it was meant to protect her. I can't stand how my rogue looks like she ought to be standing on a street corner rather than running around fighting darkspawn. If guys need something to drool over, there's plenty of pr0n on the Internet. As a long-time female gamer, I'd prefer to see something that looks serious on my character.



I can also suggest an alternative. If developers insist on having female characters mince about in glorified French maid costumes, how about they at least give us ladies male characters who run around in heavy plate loincloths? At least level the playing field, would you?



I guess there is a bright side, though. My PC could run around in a getup like Morrigan's.

[darkmax1974]

hmm... you didn't get my meaning.



DAO has quite an impressive female adventuring presence, reality has very very few.



Commercially speaking, when you have very few people asking for it, armor/merchants will certainly try not to carry items these few people need. Thus, paying a premium for them.



In DAO, female adventurers are common enough that the armorers can provide cheap protection that fits the female body better.



Armors are always made as close to the body as possible for several reasons: warmth, mobility and dexterity. Think about it, how well can you dodge a sword strike in a wooden barrel? You can't gadget the size of the armor properly and certainly movement and dexterity is severely reduced.



Also, have to remind you that taking a few hits to plate armor can incur extremely costly repairs. Leather ones must be mended expertly or the integrity of the armor will fail.

[1Parmenides]

Hey, no one can complain about a leather catsuit, like Mass Effect's asari commando suit.  Realistic protection and aesthetics. 

Modifié par 1Parmenides, 16 décembre 2009 - 10:03 .

[darkmax1974]

that's a futuristic setting.

[Fraevar]

I would welcome some new armors.

/signed

[Sarevok Anchev]

darkmax1974 wrote...

hmm... you didn't get my meaning.

DAO has quite an impressive female adventuring presence, reality has very very few.

Commercially speaking, when you have very few people asking for it, armor/merchants will certainly try not to carry items these few people need. Thus, paying a premium for them.

In DAO, female adventurers are common enough that the armorers can provide cheap protection that fits the female body better.

Armors are always made as close to the body as possible for several reasons: warmth, mobility and dexterity. Think about it, how well can you dodge a sword strike in a wooden barrel? You can't gadget the size of the armor properly and certainly movement and dexterity is severely reduced.

Also, have to remind you that taking a few hits to plate armor can incur extremely costly repairs. Leather ones must be mended expertly or the integrity of the armor will fail.

Aye. Still:
Let me slit your stomach while wearing such a "Leather armor". Lets talk afterwards in your bowels over "fitting protection"

Like you said: Warmth.... *coughcough*Did someone say Nephritis?

[jackkel dragon]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

darkmax1974 wrote...

hmm... you didn't get my meaning.

DAO has quite an impressive female adventuring presence, reality has very very few.

Commercially speaking, when you have very few people asking for it, armor/merchants will certainly try not to carry items these few people need. Thus, paying a premium for them.

In DAO, female adventurers are common enough that the armorers can provide cheap protection that fits the female body better.

Armors are always made as close to the body as possible for several reasons: warmth, mobility and dexterity. Think about it, how well can you dodge a sword strike in a wooden barrel? You can't gadget the size of the armor properly and certainly movement and dexterity is severely reduced.

Also, have to remind you that taking a few hits to plate armor can incur extremely costly repairs. Leather ones must be mended expertly or the integrity of the armor will fail.

Aye. Still:
Let me slit your stomach while wearing such a "Leather armor". Lets talk afterwards in your bowels over "fitting protection"

Like you said: Warmth.... *coughcough*Did someone say Nephritis?

Someone better make at least ONE model for full leather armor for female characters. If someone's going to kill you, do you think they're going to hit the armored part or the unprotected part?

Besides, female characters in armor can still look good. (Loghain's leiutenant) There are bandits in DA that look like badasses (wearing leather armor,) then girls wearing the same armor that look like they're going to a party.

[gotthammer]

SweetiePea wrote...

I can also suggest an alternative. If developers insist on having female characters mince about in glorified French maid costumes, how about they at least give us ladies male characters who run around in heavy plate loincloths? At least level the playing field, would you?

I won't mind. I mean, we still have fiestas here where the native attire is basically that, a loincloth (sash and loincloth, I think. I forget...the 'bahag', I think). Not that I'd wear one, mind... (damn...I think I just hurt my brains w/ that image)

[Tamyn]

More important to me than the low neckline on female leather armor is the complete lack of a spinal curve on every single female elf/human leather armor. Viewing the model from the side is so gross. Her back/spine goes almost straight down from her shoulder blades to her butt.

Every other armor and clothing, even the female dwarven leather armor, properly gives the model a natural curve in the back, which goes well with the curve of the stomach in the front. But the elf/human armor just has a curving stomach and a straight back, which makes it look like she has a back brace inserted under her skin. This is especially disturbing in the bare midriff Dalish armor.

[Laurelinde]

SweetiePea wrote...

Why am I not surprised that this topic has all of the pre-pubescent boys in lather?

I absolutely loathe and detest that leather armor for females in this game. At least when I played a warrior, the heavy armor looked like it was meant to protect her. I can't stand how my rogue looks like she ought to be standing on a street corner rather than running around fighting darkspawn. If guys need something to drool over, there's plenty of pr0n on the Internet. As a long-time female gamer, I'd prefer to see something that looks serious on my character.

I can also suggest an alternative. If developers insist on having female characters mince about in glorified French maid costumes, how about they at least give us ladies male characters who run around in heavy plate loincloths? At least level the playing field, would you?

I guess there is a bright side, though. My PC could run around in a getup like Morrigan's.

Well said!  The armour in DA wasn't worse than a lot of what you see in a lot of 'traditional' fantasy art, but come on, we are trying to play as warriors, not Barbie dolls, and our Grey Wardens aren't meant to be simply 'eye candy' any more than yours.  Sure, we want our characters to look good and badass, but it shouldn't be any more sexualised for women than for men - we live in an age of equality now people, let's try to act like it.

[Sarevok Anchev]

Laurelinde wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

Why am I not surprised that this topic has all of the pre-pubescent boys in lather?

I absolutely loathe and detest that leather armor for females in this game. At least when I played a warrior, the heavy armor looked like it was meant to protect her. I can't stand how my rogue looks like she ought to be standing on a street corner rather than running around fighting darkspawn. If guys need something to drool over, there's plenty of pr0n on the Internet. As a long-time female gamer, I'd prefer to see something that looks serious on my character.

I can also suggest an alternative. If developers insist on having female characters mince about in glorified French maid costumes, how about they at least give us ladies male characters who run around in heavy plate loincloths? At least level the playing field, would you?

I guess there is a bright side, though. My PC could run around in a getup like Morrigan's.

Well said!  The armour in DA wasn't worse than a lot of what you see in a lot of 'traditional' fantasy art, but come on, we are trying to play as warriors, not Barbie dolls, and our Grey Wardens aren't meant to be simply 'eye candy' any more than yours.  Sure, we want our characters to look good and badass, but it shouldn't be any more sexualised for women than for men - we live in an age of equality now people, let's try to act like it.

Yes!
WE WANT TOPLESS ARMORS ALSO FOR OUR MALE CHARACTERS. You are right Maam!

[TheGreenLion]

Laurelinde wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

Why am I not surprised that this topic has all of the pre-pubescent boys in lather?

I absolutely loathe and detest that leather armor for females in this game. At least when I played a warrior, the heavy armor looked like it was meant to protect her. I can't stand how my rogue looks like she ought to be standing on a street corner rather than running around fighting darkspawn. If guys need something to drool over, there's plenty of pr0n on the Internet. As a long-time female gamer, I'd prefer to see something that looks serious on my character.

I can also suggest an alternative. If developers insist on having female characters mince about in glorified French maid costumes, how about they at least give us ladies male characters who run around in heavy plate loincloths? At least level the playing field, would you?

I guess there is a bright side, though. My PC could run around in a getup like Morrigan's.

Well said!  The armour in DA wasn't worse than a lot of what you see in a lot of 'traditional' fantasy art, but come on, we are trying to play as warriors, not Barbie dolls, and our Grey Wardens aren't meant to be simply 'eye candy' any more than yours.  Sure, we want our characters to look good and badass, but it shouldn't be any more sexualised for women than for men - we live in an age of equality now people, let's try to act like it.

Males still get the skirt with their leather armor, the only change is the torso which realistically shouldn't be low cut as it is. They're all Roman/Greek inspired from the looks of it, so the style changes what's going on with the neck area and I suppose could be seen as "too much, all my leather armor looks sexy instead of useful". Generally speaking, women didn't have a fighting role back then so mostly armor design was universal unless you had the coin to get armor made for you (like a tailor would measure you for clothing.) which some people had. The trend we have is the want for distinction between Male/Female armor.

Aesthetically if you slap on the armor designed for a male on a female, sized appropriately of course, it would be different because the body shape is different. Unless you had rigid armor, it isn't sposed to bend/flex much. My reasoning is that you have to keep the armor on the person. In cinching down the armor, it will conform to your body somewhat if not very well...nobody likes floppy armor. 

Rigid armor doesn't really flex so generally the massive plate is correct, the heavy I'm sure you don't like because of the "sculpted" chestplate eh? Medium armor covers you like leather ought to, but is not the same cultural design. Sure they could do away with the Dalish midriff and the low cut studded armor but every other visual aspect is shared by male models. That being said, if they had picked a more midieval design for their leathers too, we wouldn't be here arguing over this. Instead, we'd all be arguing about something sensible like, "why are there no actual straight chainmail suits...totally devoid of leather and plates?"

Modifié par TheGreenLion, 17 décembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[Tessey]

Glad to see some other female gamers and their input, and thank you to those respectable male gamers as well (does not include all of the posts on here, obviously!) Females are playing video games in increasing numbers, and I would love to see the creators consider our input. The majority of the female characters running around half naked on video games are male players. So, not sure exactly why some of you are turned on by scantily clad female toons which are played by males. Female players are looking for something more positive to make our gaming experience even more enjoyable.

[OneBadAssMother]

Actually I found the female armors in this game rather good, not unrealistically revealing yet presentable. There's really no point in showing off skin in the midst of battle.... but then again.



Robin Williams said himself, that "God gave us men both a d--k and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time". Which means wearing something like a chainmail bikini should pin a -20 attack -50 mental resistance penalties on male opponents! xD

[1Parmenides]

darkmax1974 wrote...

that's a futuristic setting.

futuristic what?  materials?  no need for that.