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[1337haxwtg]

 Thanks to Eckswhyzed...

Damage [17.2-21.4]
ROF [800]
weight [2.0-1.4]
magsize [100]
rechargeratepersecond [0.35f]
recoil [0.0f]
timetoheatup [2.f]

This does not take into account that the effective damage increases as you fire (RoF or damage? to what point?).

The dps at X is 285.33. Even if it DOUBLED in damage after a certain period of time spent firing, it would still suck. I could get better results from most other guns in the game, and with instant gratification to boot. (as a frame of reference, the friggin' Avenger does over 400 dps at X).

Accuracy isn't really a huge benefit because other guns are just as accurate and hit harder. Unlimited ammo isn't all that great unless you are farming FBWGG (the only situation where ammo should ever become a real issue, aside from maybe the Harrier). Neither of these are worthy tradeoffs for horrible damage and medium-high weight.

This is just another PoS slowing down my UR progression. Fun.

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EDIT: The gun charges up to a 4x multiplier after 50 rounds are shot. So...

Dps for the first 3.75 seconds is 285.33
Dps after 3.75 seconds is 1141.32

So the gun is basically a Locust that turns into a Harrier after nearly 4 seconds. That still  sucks because 4 seconds is a long time to get atttacked, and the weapon has a big list of other issues (running ou tof ammo = excruciating cooldown period). Why would I not just use a Harrrier over it, for better DPS on mooks and the same DPS on bosses?

There is a solution. Change the base damage to TWICE what it is now (for 570.66 for the first 3.75 seconds) and reduce the modifier from 4x to 2x. The end result is the same, the buildup period is less excruciating.

This would make the gun preform like a Harrier that requires damage buildup in exchange for unlimited ammo. The Harrier would still be the better choice for small enemies but the PPR would be a viable option for bosses.

I'd also consider reducing the time it takes for the gun to cool down once you hit 0. You shouldn't have to stop shooting at a low number, essentially wasting usable ammo just to let it recharge without crippling you.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .

[Gwyphon]

Well I commend that you actually backed up your "it sucks!" statement. I don't have it myself but the people I have seen using it weren't performing overly well. It will most likely be buffed along with any changes Earth brings.

[Dokteur Kill]

Wow. That's absolute arse.

Unless the charge up mechanism at least triples the per-shot damage, the charge up isn't going to help you at all against gold-level armoured enemies. It's actually so weak that even piercing mod doesn't really do much to help you against armour.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

This is getting real old...


They copy & pasted the gun from single-player, without taking into account multiplayer enemies being buffed to god-hood. It's not the end of the ******* world! Give BioWare some time to buff the gun for multiplayer.


This was not completely intentional, BioWare are still only human unfortunately.



Do you people ever stop whining like little kids? Jesus Christ!

[Gwyphon]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

This is getting real old...


They copy & pasted the gun from single-player, without taking into account multiplayer enemies being buffed to god-hood. It's not the end of the ******* world! Give BioWare some time to buff the gun for multiplayer.


This was not completely intentional, BioWare are still only human unfortunately.



Do you people ever stop whining like little kids? Jesus Christ!

Settle pettle. He is merely raising a point that, if not raised, goes unfixed. And, unlike the other 90% of the community, actually backs it with evidence and numbers.

[1337haxwtg]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

This is getting real old...


They copy & pasted the gun from single-player, without taking into account multiplayer enemies being buffed to god-hood. It's not the end of the ******* world! Give BioWare some time to buff the gun for multiplayer.


This was not completely intentional, BioWare are still only human unfortunately.



Do you people ever stop whining like little kids? Jesus Christ!

Adding URs at all is worth complaining over. I doubt most people will ever max ONE ultra rare, let alone all of them. It adds needless frustration to the game.

The gun's balance should have been tweaked even before releasing it on MP; not thrown in at laughable levels, taking up valuable UR drops, just to collect dust until a buff comes along.

I also never insulted BioWare.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:22 .

[Bahroo3]

Man with DPS like that I will have my first Platinum match finished by next month.

[Deucetipher]

I like your title. Made me laugh

[Killahead]

Will probably be buffed on tuesday. Just got it myself and even on a human or turian soldier it was pretty bad.

[MrFuddyDuddy]

They whine good sir becase they added an UR that does less damage than an Uncommon. My god you must be blind, there buff to this thing will literally have to at least double its base damage right now to even make it someone what usefull, even with a 100% damage buff the damn thing would only hit for 570.66 DPS which is barely any better than a Avenger.

[Bahroo3]

Well after seeing how they "buffed' the Eagle, they still do it 10% at a time.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

UR doing less damage than an Avenger. Mhh sounds about right.

[1337haxwtg]

Even the GPR puts this thing to shame.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:27 .

[I_pity_the_fool]

without taking into account multiplayer enemies being buffed to god-hood.

lol

[spudspot]

Well, the reload animation is pretty cool though.

It's funny, a friend of mine had it in SP (doesn't play MP) and told me how broken the gun used to be there. He's not the "I need a challenge, now!" kinda guy but still refrained from using it... 

Bahroo3 wrote...

Man with DPS like that I will have my first Platinum match finished by next month.

 

You mean if you start the match on tuesday, you'll hit wave 11 three weeks later? 

Modifié par spudspot, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:32 .

[RequiemPrime]

1337haxwtg wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

This is getting real old...


They copy & pasted the gun from single-player, without taking into account multiplayer enemies being buffed to god-hood. It's not the end of the ******* world! Give BioWare some time to buff the gun for multiplayer.


This was not completely intentional, BioWare are still only human unfortunately.



Do you people ever stop whining like little kids? Jesus Christ!

Adding URs at all is worth complaining over. I doubt most people will ever max ONE ultra rare, let alone all of them. It adds needless frustration to the game.

The gun's balance should have been tweaked even before releasing it on MP; not thrown in at laughable levels, taking up valuable UR drops, just to collect dust until a buff comes along.

I also never insulted BioWare.

Thank you.  This was the very point of extreme irritation I had on Tuesday.  I've been pateintly waiting to get a hold of the Harrier.  When I found out that they added this to the URs, then on top of it to hear that it is massively substandard weapon, I just knew I was gonna get it before I get the Harrier.  And sure enough that very same day, after two upgrade for the Indra and 1 for the Saber..... this damn thing shows up in a PSP pack. 

Irritated more to the fact that could've been a Harrier instead....but no, the pool gets further diluted  and my chances decereased because of this.......thing.

[BoomDynamite]

Give it Avenger damage and make the weight [1.7 - 1.2]

[Nissun]

The particle rifle is a nice weapon. You just need to know how to use it.

[Bahroo3]

Nissun wrote...

The particle rifle is a nice weapon. You just need to know how to use it.

Let me guess. Throw the gun at the enemy for extra damage?

[spudspot]

Nissun wrote...

The particle rifle is a nice weapon. You just need to know how to use it.

Could you then please specify how to use it properly? I've only seen it in game once, used by a player I've been playing with for quite some time, so I know what to expect (and that is quite a lot). Let's just say it was a disaster. 

I mean I don't want to be too quick with my judgement here, but almost everything I've seen, read or heard about it so far indicates this gun is nowhere near being an UR. 

Modifié par spudspot, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:41 .

[ll Ak Attack ll]

I used it last night and it was completely underwhelming... Quite sad actually, used it on an Infy and cloaked when it was charged and it still was so lousy.

[Killahead]

Nissun wrote...

The particle rifle is a nice weapon. You just need to know how to use it.

You point it at the enemy, shoot, and take a sip of coffee while holding the trigger waiting for the enemy to die. There's no special clue to using this weapon, it is practically impossible to miss with it.

[RequiemPrime]

Bahroo3 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

The particle rifle is a nice weapon. You just need to know how to use it.

Let me guess. Throw the gun at the enemy for extra damage?

I LOL'd hard.  I need to send you a basket of cookies for that. 

[SeaJayX]

Why are they so afraid to make the URs they add actually be powerful.

Indra had a buff, still needs another.
Particle rifle is going to need two.
Harrier could use an extra clip but that's negligible.

They are 1 for 3.

[LandoCalrisian]

Gwyphon wrote...


Settle pettle. He is merely raising a point that, if not raised, goes unfixed. And, unlike the other 90% of the community, actually backs it with evidence and numbers.

Despite what most people around BSN seems to think, all of the balance changes in Multiplayer happen as a result  Bioware checking actual gameplay stats. For the guns, they look at how many people use them, player life expectancy while using them and average damage dealt/score achieved per match while using them.

Having 5000 forum whiners saying sniper rifles and assault rifles are underpowered won't lead to a buff.

After a couple weeks, if the average Particle Rifle soldier is scoring considerably less than the average phaeston soldier, it will be buffed, no matter how many people complain...