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#26
Striker93175

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1337haxwtg wrote...

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This is getting real old...


They copy & pasted the gun from single-player, without taking into account multiplayer enemies being buffed to god-hood. It's not the end of the ******* world! Give BioWare some time to buff the gun for multiplayer.


This was not completely intentional, BioWare are still only human unfortunately.



Do you people ever stop whining like little kids? Jesus Christ!


Adding URs at all is worth complaining over. I doubt most people will ever max ONE ultra rare, let alone all of them. It adds needless frustration to the game.

The gun's balance should have been tweaked even before releasing it on MP; not thrown in at laughable levels, taking up valuable UR drops, just to collect dust until a buff comes along.

I also never insulted BioWare.


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Incorrect.  Working on others too :)

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Best thread title I've seen on BSN?

Yes.

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Bahroo3

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What I don't understand is why we get these terrabad URs but other weapons that could be in that tier (Krysae, Reegar, Claymore) are just rare quality.

Modifié par Bahroo3, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:49 .


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spudspot wrote...

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The particle rifle is a nice weapon. You just need to know how to use it.


Could you then please specify how to use it properly? I've only seen it in game once, used by a player I've been playing with for quite some time, so I know what to expect (and that is quite a lot). Let's just say it was a disaster. 

I mean I don't want to be too quick with my judgement here, but almost everything I've seen, read or heard about it so far indicates this gun is nowhere near being an N7. 

 

You need to fire for about 50 rounds for the weapon to start doing maximun damage. And it doesn't take that long to reach 50. Specially with the ammo extension mod, which gives you a 180 clip size.

After that is reached, at least in silver, things will go down quickly. The only downside, however, is that you need to hold the fire. A lot of people think that's being exposed to fire for too long, but the solution to that is quite simple: Be aware of your surrounding, take cover, and keep your distance.

The weapon has perfect accuracy, so holding the beam in one spot is a piece of cake.

Do not let the clip reach zero. the reloading animation is VERY crippling, it's better to let it recharge when you're nearing single digits. I have no problems doing this, it comes instinctively to me, but maybe not everybody can do it.

If fast moving small enemies get close to you, like Nemesis and husks, use your powers to stagger them and keep your distance. It's hard to keep the beam on them for long, since they are so small.

I have only tried it on silver so far, with human and turian soldiers, Krogan sentinel, and human dna male quarian engineers. The weapon is a bit heavy, but I was still able to use powers consistently.

I would record a video or something, if I had a camera and a tripod. But I don't have them, so unless you want to add me on xbox and invite me to a match, I won't be able to show how I use the weapon.

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Now show/find the numbers of it's high-power mode, please.

It having crappy DPS means ****-all when you're using the numbers for the weak setting, which it isn't meant to be used in. The only multiplayer footage I've seen of it so far was the Bronze-game Soldier I was just with, who repeatedly tapped the fire button so it never got the chance to reach fullpower, and if anyone else uses it like that... don't expect great results lol (at least he fired it straight up at one point, it looked awesome like a beacon).

But thank you for finding/posting some actual numbers to back up that it sucks, instead of claiming you have it on another account and it stinks compared to your Harrier X.

From the wiki:

■The Particle Rifle's initial DPS is very low, but goes up dramatically after 50 units of energy (half the initial clip size) has been consumed. This property makes it well-suited for long, sustained fire against targets and can do very high amounts of damage in a short time. Pre-charging the weapon behind obstacles can be useful on higher difficulties, where you might get killed while your weapon is charging to full power. Using active powers will interrupt the charge, however, as well as depleting ammo reserve. This strategy is best used with a thermal clip capacity mod.


Now we just need the numbers on what they call a "dramatic rise".

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My gamertag is "Nssun", by the way, in case somebody *does* want to see it in action.

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Leisure Muffin

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The lowest DPS in the game? On an Ultra Rare? What goes through their heads sometimes... Is this some sort of payback for the stink that was made about the Krysae being OP?

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@ Nissum, I can use a Saber to 1 shot enemies with a head shot, without having to charge this craptastic thing. Even if it had a 3x charged multiplier, I would be better off with any given hitscan weapon.

@ Striker, you are one player that is a forum-user (typically more active players). You don't represent the majority, who will never make it to a level X UR.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:51 .


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1337haxwtg wrote...

@ Nissum, I can use a Saber to 1 shot enemies with a head shot, without having to charge this craptastic thing.


Use the Saber then and quit whining.

Just because you don't know how to use it AND don't want to learn, doesn't mean the weapon is crap.

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No. It IS crap. What special trick is there to using it? Every gun is the same. You shoot, you deal damage; end of story. This one takes time to build up, just to deal sub-par damage. There is no special skill to master that makes it a decent gun.

There is nothing anyone can say or do to make the numbers lie. There is no trick to using the gun. It is inferior to any other UR on the table.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:55 .


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KentGoldings

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A crappy assault rilfle? That never happens.

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Nissun wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

@ Nissum, I can use a Saber to 1 shot enemies with a head shot, without having to charge this craptastic thing.


Use the Saber then and quit whining.

Just because you don't know how to use it AND don't want to learn, doesn't mean the weapon is crap.


Please show me how to headshot a phantom with this gun...

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Nissun wrote...

I would record a video or something, if I had a camera and a tripod. But I don't have them, so unless you want to add me on xbox and invite me to a match, I won't be able to show how I use the weapon.


Show me. I haven't unlocked the damn thing  (I probably won't until I blow like 10 million credits on PSPs on Tuesday) and I want to know what all of the hype is about. <_<

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So funny watching this guy try to defend this PoS, like watching Tyson in his prime fight old woman in a wheelchair. Dude must not step outside of Bronze as the PPR's DPS is under 300, which is 1/3 less than the Avenger which is an Uncommon. I don't have it unlocked and I hope I never get it, unless they somehow buff this thing to do 150-200% more damage than what it currently offers.

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Ashen Earth wrote...

Nissun wrote...

I would record a video or something, if I had a camera and a tripod. But I don't have them, so unless you want to add me on xbox and invite me to a match, I won't be able to show how I use the weapon.


Show me. I haven't unlocked the damn thing  (I probably won't until I blow like 10 million credits on PSPs on Tuesday) and I want to know what all of the hype is about. <_<


I'm online right now if you want to see the piece of crap in action.

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Bahroo3 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

@ Nissum, I can use a Saber to 1 shot enemies with a head shot, without having to charge this craptastic thing.


Use the Saber then and quit whining.

Just because you don't know how to use it AND don't want to learn, doesn't mean the weapon is crap.


Please show me how to headshot a phantom with this gun...


Well, you are going to need to use your powers, and not let her get close. Then it's a matter of how well you can hold fire on her while she jumps around. :)

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There is nothing anyone can say or do to make the numbers lie. There is no trick to using the gun. It is inferior to any other UR on the table.


Come now, we all know nothing can take that title from the Javelin on Gold. Shields/Barriers recharge faster than it can get out two shots.


Please show me how to headshot a phantom with this gun...


Aiming for the head would be a good start.

..... sorry, it was too easy I couldn't resist.


This does not take into account that the effective damage increases as you fire (RoF or damage? to what point?).


It's in the first post people, you do relise we don't have the numbers for the firing-mode the gun is MEANT TO BE USED IN yet. Patience, please.

Modifié par Transairion, 12 juillet 2012 - 01:05 .


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Nissun wrote...

After that is reached, at least in silver, things will go down quickly. 


Well, of course. Everything is good on silver. Now try it on gold. I've topped the scoreboard with it on gold, but that had more to do with lousy team mates than anything. Yes, you can easily land a continous stream of headshots with this weapon. It still takes too long to kill even low tier enemies, leaving you exposed to enemy fire for an unhealthy long period of time.

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Bahroo3 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Nissun wrote...

I would record a video or something, if I had a camera and a tripod. But I don't have them, so unless you want to add me on xbox and invite me to a match, I won't be able to show how I use the weapon.


Show me. I haven't unlocked the damn thing  (I probably won't until I blow like 10 million credits on PSPs on Tuesday) and I want to know what all of the hype is about. <_<


I'm online right now if you want to see the piece of crap in action.


Gamertag?

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I wanna see this thing take out an Atlas on Gold, bare with no amps or passives and it would take something like 140 seconds of continuous fire to solo one, let alone like 5 or 6 in the later waves.

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Ashen Earth wrote...

Nissun wrote...

I would record a video or something, if I had a camera and a tripod. But I don't have them, so unless you want to add me on xbox and invite me to a match, I won't be able to show how I use the weapon.


Show me. I haven't unlocked the damn thing  (I probably won't until I blow like 10 million credits on PSPs on Tuesday) and I want to know what all of the hype is about. <_<


It's basically a Reegar Sniper that does the damage of an N7 Eagle.

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I give up. I'm sick of this "If I can't solo gold with it in five minutes with my eyes closed and a hand tied behind my back, then that weapon is crap!!!!" mentality.

**** this ****.

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Ashen Earth wrote...

Bahroo3 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Nissun wrote...

I would record a video or something, if I had a camera and a tripod. But I don't have them, so unless you want to add me on xbox and invite me to a match, I won't be able to show how I use the weapon.


Show me. I haven't unlocked the damn thing  (I probably won't until I blow like 10 million credits on PSPs on Tuesday) and I want to know what all of the hype is about. <_<


I'm online right now if you want to see the piece of crap in action.


Gamertag?


Same as on here, Bahroo3.

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Killahead wrote...

Nissun wrote...

After that is reached, at least in silver, things will go down quickly. 


Well, of course. Everything is good on silver. Now try it on gold. I've topped the scoreboard with it on gold, but that had more to do with lousy team mates than anything. Yes, you can easily land a continous stream of headshots with this weapon. It still takes too long to kill even low tier enemies, leaving you exposed to enemy fire for an unhealthy long period of time.


Not everything is good on Silver.

The Incisor, and Locust for example are still awful. And if the weapon is good on Silver (Presumably without consumables), what makes you think that it wouldn't be any good on Gold with a bunch of equipment to compensate for increased enemy HP?

Not that I think a UR should need equipment to be effective...

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Nissun wrote...

I give up. I'm sick of this "If I can't solo gold with it in five minutes with my eyes closed and a hand tied behind my back, then that weapon is crap!!!!" mentality.

**** this ****.

Oh hai there mistar strawman argument.