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[robertthebard]

Grimwick wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The game is not the shortest, ME1 is.
.
That said, ME3 deserves its 93 on Metacritic and is a GOTY contender, because it's a fantastic game with a lot of great in it, granted, some bad too.

i agree..

pre-EC i would say ME3 was a 8-8.5/10. The ending was bad but the technical flaws were forgivable.

post-EC i would say 9-9.5/10

One of the best video game experiences i have ever had.  The story was FAR FAR FAR superior to most videogame stories...if you wanna call them that...cuz most games see the story as secondary to the gameplay.

and i love the dis about bad writing......cuz everyone who buys a videogame wants Hemmingway or Jules Verne or sumthin....i guess

You really feel ME3 is one of the best video game experiences you've ever had...after playing Mass Effect 2?

For me there's no comparison whatsoever, I don't even put ME3 in the same league as ME2. ME2 was infinitely better in every way except combat mechanics (which were improved in each subsequent game)

This. The only improvements were sound, music and combat.

I mean it wasn't hard to beat ME2's story but ME3 still failed to do it imo.

ME2 is just so far ahead of ME3.

Are you really presumptuous enough to tell somebody else what they're really feeling, or to believe that your opinion trumps everyone else's opinion?

[Grimwick]

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The game is not the shortest, ME1 is.
.
That said, ME3 deserves its 93 on Metacritic and is a GOTY contender, because it's a fantastic game with a lot of great in it, granted, some bad too.

i agree..

pre-EC i would say ME3 was a 8-8.5/10. The ending was bad but the technical flaws were forgivable.

post-EC i would say 9-9.5/10

One of the best video game experiences i have ever had.  The story was FAR FAR FAR superior to most videogame stories...if you wanna call them that...cuz most games see the story as secondary to the gameplay.

and i love the dis about bad writing......cuz everyone who buys a videogame wants Hemmingway or Jules Verne or sumthin....i guess

You really feel ME3 is one of the best video game experiences you've ever had...after playing Mass Effect 2?

For me there's no comparison whatsoever, I don't even put ME3 in the same league as ME2. ME2 was infinitely better in every way except combat mechanics (which were improved in each subsequent game)

This. The only improvements were sound, music and combat.

I mean it wasn't hard to beat ME2's story but ME3 still failed to do it imo.

ME2 is just so far ahead of ME3.

Are you really presumptuous enough to tell somebody else what they're really feeling, or to believe that your opinion trumps everyone else's opinion?

Did you see some very special letters? You know? The letters that indicate it was solely my opinion.

Let me point them out to you.

Yeah, so shut up and stop flaming people's opinions for no reason please.

[Ridwan]

Marauder Shieldz wrote...

I agree with the OP. Its nowhere near perfect. ME1 and ME2 were near perfect. Mass Effect 3 is not, for simple reasons people can't seem to see.

I don't think ME 1 is near perfect to be honest. I'll give it a 8/10. Poor combat and the clunky inventory, reduces the overall score it would've gotten. However due to it being a real original game I'd give it a solid 8/10. Mass Effect 2 is the only game from the series that deserves a 9/10.

Modifié par M25105, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:54 .

[corporal doody]

Grimwick wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The game is not the shortest, ME1 is.
.
That said, ME3 deserves its 93 on Metacritic and is a GOTY contender, because it's a fantastic game with a lot of great in it, granted, some bad too.

i agree..

pre-EC i would say ME3 was a 8-8.5/10. The ending was bad but the technical flaws were forgivable.

post-EC i would say 9-9.5/10

One of the best video game experiences i have ever had.  The story was FAR FAR FAR superior to most videogame stories...if you wanna call them that...cuz most games see the story as secondary to the gameplay.

and i love the dis about bad writing......cuz everyone who buys a videogame wants Hemmingway or Jules Verne or sumthin....i guess

You really feel ME3 is one of the best video game experiences you've ever had...after playing Mass Effect 2?

For me there's no comparison whatsoever, I don't even put ME3 in the same league as ME2. ME2 was infinitely better in every way except combat mechanics (which were improved in each subsequent game)

This. The only improvements were sound, music and combat.

I mean it wasn't hard to beat ME2's story but ME3 still failed to do it imo.

ME2 is just so far ahead of ME3.

Are you really presumptuous enough to tell somebody else what they're really feeling, or to believe that your opinion trumps everyone else's opinion?

Did you see some very special letters? You know? The letters that indicate it was solely my opinion.

Let me point them out to you.

Yeah, so shut up and stop flaming people's opinions for no reason please.

this is the internet....where , unfortunately, if it aint my opinion...IT IS WRONG. 

since it is on the BSN...IT IS EVEN WRONGERERERERERERRRR:sick:

Modifié par corporal doody, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .

[robertthebard]

Grimwick wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The game is not the shortest, ME1 is.
.
That said, ME3 deserves its 93 on Metacritic and is a GOTY contender, because it's a fantastic game with a lot of great in it, granted, some bad too.

i agree..

pre-EC i would say ME3 was a 8-8.5/10. The ending was bad but the technical flaws were forgivable.

post-EC i would say 9-9.5/10

One of the best video game experiences i have ever had.  The story was FAR FAR FAR superior to most videogame stories...if you wanna call them that...cuz most games see the story as secondary to the gameplay.

and i love the dis about bad writing......cuz everyone who buys a videogame wants Hemmingway or Jules Verne or sumthin....i guess

You really feel ME3 is one of the best video game experiences you've ever had...after playing Mass Effect 2?

For me there's no comparison whatsoever, I don't even put ME3 in the same league as ME2. ME2 was infinitely better in every way except combat mechanics (which were improved in each subsequent game)

This. The only improvements were sound, music and combat.

I mean it wasn't hard to beat ME2's story but ME3 still failed to do it imo.

ME2 is just so far ahead of ME3.

Are you really presumptuous enough to tell somebody else what they're really feeling, or to believe that your opinion trumps everyone else's opinion?

Did you see some very special letters? You know? The letters that indicate it was solely my opinion.

Let me point them out to you.

Yeah, so shut up and stop flaming people's opinions for no reason please.

What I see is you agreeing with somebody else that's telling somebody else how they should feel, and then you responding to that defensively, which tells me that you have something you need to defend.  However, Alistair called, he wants his kleenex box back.

[Xeranx]

robertthebard wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Some of the comments here makes me think people have confused Mass Effect for a dating sim.

I'm coming away with a far different impression; that people don't know when to let go.  There's a point where criticism becomes more like whining, and I believe we're well past that point now.

"But if we don't keep complaining, BioWare won't know we're unhappy!!!1111!!1eleven".  I'm sure that's what my grandson felt when he threw his temper tantrum in WalMart because he couldn't get the toy he wanted too.  Of course, he was 9 or 10 at the time.  The most amusing part is, people telling other people they couldn't possibly enjoy one game over another, or come away feeling good about it, and all because that somebody didn't.

On a more inquisitive note, does anyone that feels the necessity to come into any thread about the game and berate it really feel like they are going to make BioWare completely redo the game, or are they just trying to up their post counts?

Conversely, what do you say about people who berate others for not liking what they like?

[corporal doody]

Xeranx wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Some of the comments here makes me think people have confused Mass Effect for a dating sim.

I'm coming away with a far different impression; that people don't know when to let go.  There's a point where criticism becomes more like whining, and I believe we're well past that point now.

"But if we don't keep complaining, BioWare won't know we're unhappy!!!1111!!1eleven".  I'm sure that's what my grandson felt when he threw his temper tantrum in WalMart because he couldn't get the toy he wanted too.  Of course, he was 9 or 10 at the time.  The most amusing part is, people telling other people they couldn't possibly enjoy one game over another, or come away feeling good about it, and all because that somebody didn't.

On a more inquisitive note, does anyone that feels the necessity to come into any thread about the game and berate it really feel like they are going to make BioWare completely redo the game, or are they just trying to up their post counts?

Conversely, what do you say about people who berate others for not liking what they like?

Posts saying...LIKE THIS...and if you dont you suck!!....  tick me off the same as when someone says... I DONT LIKE THIS AND IF YOU LIKE IT YOU SUCK .

how you gonna tell someone their opinion is wrong?  you can disagree...but THEIR OPINION aint wrong... um...but it can be stupid...BUT IT AINT TO THEM.

[robertthebard]

Xeranx wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Some of the comments here makes me think people have confused Mass Effect for a dating sim.

I'm coming away with a far different impression; that people don't know when to let go.  There's a point where criticism becomes more like whining, and I believe we're well past that point now.

"But if we don't keep complaining, BioWare won't know we're unhappy!!!1111!!1eleven".  I'm sure that's what my grandson felt when he threw his temper tantrum in WalMart because he couldn't get the toy he wanted too.  Of course, he was 9 or 10 at the time.  The most amusing part is, people telling other people they couldn't possibly enjoy one game over another, or come away feeling good about it, and all because that somebody didn't.

On a more inquisitive note, does anyone that feels the necessity to come into any thread about the game and berate it really feel like they are going to make BioWare completely redo the game, or are they just trying to up their post counts?

Conversely, what do you say about people who berate others for not liking what they like?

I really don't have a problem with it.  You can check with Atari for confirmation back during the DRM hassles with NWN 2.  I uninstalled and reformatted my harddrive, and then waited almost 10 years to pick up the sequels.  I guess that's where I'm different though, when I'm really unhappy, I just go away.  I don't spend 5 months ranting about it, even though I know it's not going to matter any more.

[fr33stylez]

The nature of video game reviews are the same as they've been for over a decade. I'm shocked people are suddenly bringing this up with ME3 like it's news.

[elegolas1]

Good OP
I agree with your evaluation

I also think it is usefull to review me3 in the context of the series; the lore, gameplay, overarching plot, characters. If me3 were a standalone game, it would be a largely generic third person shooter with RPGs elements and some interesting game mechanics: the occasional dialogue wheel, storyline descisions.
It is in the context of the artistic (forgive me) success of the mass effect series that me3 shines. That is, the resolution of the genophage and quarian-geth conflict, romances etc. This also leads to the greatest flaws of me3, a movement away from what made the series great.

I am only a young gamer, but I have learnt quickly that the reviews of tabloid gaming journalism are nothing but a tool for AAA title advertisement. Maybe I'll start a blog...

Modifié par elegolas1, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:54 .

[Grimwick]

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The game is not the shortest, ME1 is.
.
That said, ME3 deserves its 93 on Metacritic and is a GOTY contender, because it's a fantastic game with a lot of great in it, granted, some bad too.

i agree..

pre-EC i would say ME3 was a 8-8.5/10. The ending was bad but the technical flaws were forgivable.

post-EC i would say 9-9.5/10

One of the best video game experiences i have ever had.  The story was FAR FAR FAR superior to most videogame stories...if you wanna call them that...cuz most games see the story as secondary to the gameplay.

and i love the dis about bad writing......cuz everyone who buys a videogame wants Hemmingway or Jules Verne or sumthin....i guess

You really feel ME3 is one of the best video game experiences you've ever had...after playing Mass Effect 2?

For me there's no comparison whatsoever, I don't even put ME3 in the same league as ME2. ME2 was infinitely better in every way except combat mechanics (which were improved in each subsequent game)

This. The only improvements were sound, music and combat.

I mean it wasn't hard to beat ME2's story but ME3 still failed to do it imo.

ME2 is just so far ahead of ME3.

Are you really presumptuous enough to tell somebody else what they're really feeling, or to believe that your opinion trumps everyone else's opinion?

Did you see some very special letters? You know? The letters that indicate it was solely my opinion.

Let me point them out to you.

Yeah, so shut up and stop flaming people's opinions for no reason please.

What I see is you agreeing with somebody else that's telling somebody else how they should feel, and then you responding to that defensively, which tells me that you have something you need to defend.  However, Alistair called, he wants his kleenex box back.

Did you also see the words in the person I quoted? Yeah the 'for me'.

Are you blind or something? Blind people shouldn't try to correct those who can see...

[robertthebard]

Grimwick wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The game is not the shortest, ME1 is.
.
That said, ME3 deserves its 93 on Metacritic and is a GOTY contender, because it's a fantastic game with a lot of great in it, granted, some bad too.

i agree..

pre-EC i would say ME3 was a 8-8.5/10. The ending was bad but the technical flaws were forgivable.

post-EC i would say 9-9.5/10

One of the best video game experiences i have ever had.  The story was FAR FAR FAR superior to most videogame stories...if you wanna call them that...cuz most games see the story as secondary to the gameplay.

and i love the dis about bad writing......cuz everyone who buys a videogame wants Hemmingway or Jules Verne or sumthin....i guess

You really feel ME3 is one of the best video game experiences you've ever had...after playing Mass Effect 2?

For me there's no comparison whatsoever, I don't even put ME3 in the same league as ME2. ME2 was infinitely better in every way except combat mechanics (which were improved in each subsequent game)

This. The only improvements were sound, music and combat.

I mean it wasn't hard to beat ME2's story but ME3 still failed to do it imo.

ME2 is just so far ahead of ME3.

Are you really presumptuous enough to tell somebody else what they're really feeling, or to believe that your opinion trumps everyone else's opinion?

Did you see some very special letters? You know? The letters that indicate it was solely my opinion.

Let me point them out to you.

Yeah, so shut up and stop flaming people's opinions for no reason please.

What I see is you agreeing with somebody else that's telling somebody else how they should feel, and then you responding to that defensively, which tells me that you have something you need to defend.  However, Alistair called, he wants his kleenex box back.

Did you also see the words in the person I quoted? Yeah the 'for me'.

Are you blind or something? Blind people shouldn't try to correct those who can see...

...and yet you still feel the need to protect/defend yourself?  What seems to be the problem?  If you want to drop down a level to personal attacks, I'm sure I can accomodate you, I do, after all, have a black belt in **** talking.  All this banter shows me is that you do indeed feel the need to tell somebody else what they can or can't like, or should or shouldn't feel.  Which is the reason I have yet to break this quote pyramid, I want you to be able to see what it is your defending, while pointing and waving to draw attention away from it.  After all, this all started over the very post you agreed with, where somebody is indeed telling somebody else they shouldn't feel a certain way about a video game.  Now, if you can't see where my reply came from, perhaps I'm not the one that's blind, eh?

[Grimwick]

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The game is not the shortest, ME1 is.
.
That said, ME3 deserves its 93 on Metacritic and is a GOTY contender, because it's a fantastic game with a lot of great in it, granted, some bad too.

i agree..

pre-EC i would say ME3 was a 8-8.5/10. The ending was bad but the technical flaws were forgivable.

post-EC i would say 9-9.5/10

One of the best video game experiences i have ever had.  The story was FAR FAR FAR superior to most videogame stories...if you wanna call them that...cuz most games see the story as secondary to the gameplay.

and i love the dis about bad writing......cuz everyone who buys a videogame wants Hemmingway or Jules Verne or sumthin....i guess

You really feel ME3 is one of the best video game experiences you've ever had...after playing Mass Effect 2?

For me there's no comparison whatsoever, I don't even put ME3 in the same league as ME2. ME2 was infinitely better in every way except combat mechanics (which were improved in each subsequent game)

This. The only improvements were sound, music and combat.

I mean it wasn't hard to beat ME2's story but ME3 still failed to do it imo.

ME2 is just so far ahead of ME3.

Are you really presumptuous enough to tell somebody else what they're really feeling, or to believe that your opinion trumps everyone else's opinion?

Did you see some very special letters? You know? The letters that indicate it was solely my opinion.

Let me point them out to you.

Yeah, so shut up and stop flaming people's opinions for no reason please.

What I see is you agreeing with somebody else that's telling somebody else how they should feel, and then you responding to that defensively, which tells me that you have something you need to defend.  However, Alistair called, he wants his kleenex box back.

Did you also see the words in the person I quoted? Yeah the 'for me'.

Are you blind or something? Blind people shouldn't try to correct those who can see...

...and yet you still feel the need to protect/defend yourself?  What seems to be the problem?  If you want to drop down a level to personal attacks, I'm sure I can accomodate you, I do, after all, have a black belt in **** talking.  All this banter shows me is that you do indeed feel the need to tell somebody else what they can or can't like, or should or shouldn't feel.  Which is the reason I have yet to break this quote pyramid, I want you to be able to see what it is your defending, while pointing and waving to draw attention away from it.  After all, this all started over the very post you agreed with, where somebody is indeed telling somebody else they shouldn't feel a certain way about a video game.  Now, if you can't see where my reply came from, perhaps I'm not the one that's blind, eh?

You are the one who first threw the word 'presumptuous', not me.

I am defending myself because your initial post was a direct attack on my opinion. I find it hilarious that you insult and berate someone, then ask them why they get defensive. You know, that's what trolls do.

I agreed simply with the post made above mine, where he said 'for me'. If you fail to understand that then you are only arguing with yourself.

[l7986]

Know I am late to the party but auto aim a scoped weapon in this game is the most annoying dam thing ever. dont know how many times in my infiltrator playthrough I would point at a guardian zoom in with my valiant and all of a sudden I am looking at a wall that has a centurian behind it or I am aim at a nemesis on a ledge and the game decides i want to aim at the tropper on the ground.

[LinksOcarina]

M25105 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

I was replaying ME3 and damn, the game is amazing... walking in Menae and seeing Palaven burning in the background, with reapers capital ships walking around, ships crashing... and the music!
.
I'll say it again. ME3 is a superb game. And the funny thing is, I know ME3 could have been much more, it's not the definitive masterpiece I holped for (it is sometimes), but it's a fitting ending to the trilogy.

You are far too easily impressed.  What does seeing Reapers walking about having to do with the actual game? It's a video game not a film.

When games are supposed to be a visual and tacticle experience, both aspects of that are important in making them great. So yeah, visuals do matter just as much as gameplay and controls, and in both accounts Mass Effect does great.

[SNAKEATEN]

M25105 wrote...

First of all, and I really shouldn't specify this, this is my own opinion. If you don't like it, then you don't, end of story.

I'm writing this, cause when you write an opinion piece on BSN it gets flooeded with the usual people who rushes in and posts "Well thanks for speaking for all of us /sarcasm" or some other smart ass comment. Ok? Ok.

Now that I got that out of the way, this will be my first long post on here that's somewhat serious.

If you're like me, then you remember back when it was very hard for a game to get 9/10 or 10/10 scores. But things changed as the gaming industry got bigger and bigger. I'm going to use a local example to show you how it changed.

If you live in Denmark and you play PC games, chances are that you've heard of a magazine called PC Player. I used to buy this magazine a lot. I've bought it when Warcraft 2 came out, maybe even earlier, I can't remember. It used to be a cool magazine and what stood out to me the most, was a review of Fallout. The reviewer liked the game, but didn't think too much of it, so he gave it a 6/10 score. This prompted another reviewer, who was far more in to RPG than the original reviewer, to write a little protest in a small box on the same page. There he explained very briefly why he thought the game was better than that and gave it 8/10. Wow, this seems to be a good magazine, I thought to myself.

Then somewhere along the road, I don't know when exactly, they sold out. Not in an open way, but in a "subtle" way, that many missed out on. They were invited to EA's Westwood's development studios in the U.S. They actually flew them to America, and treated them like royalty. They made a big article about it, writing how awesome it was to see all those big stars that acted in the game and how everything looked so amazing. The game in question? Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun.

Then lo and behold! Some months later, the game came out, but they had the review ready for it. And it was a perfect 10/10. This made many of the readers, myself included, rush out and buy it. Funny enough Starcraft, which was reviewed a few months earlier got 8/10. Many couldn't understand this, but we guessed it was because that PC Player had very high standards. Until C&C: Tiberian Sun, only Half Life and Dungeon Keeper, and Dungeon Keeper 2 got 10/10. The warning signs were there with Dungeon Keeper 2. The only games I agree on is Half-Life and Dungeon Keeper.

Well, it turned out that Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun was a very forgetable game. I didn't complete it. I wasn't impressed as I played and began to think "This game sucks". I couldn't understand how this game got 10/10. Neither could many others, and whenever the topic is brought up on their website, they're quick to lock the threads due to the fact it's old news. The game didn't deserve anything other than maybe a 6/10.

It woke me up however, and made me understand that gone are the days of honest reviewers. You can still find a few honest reviewers, but it's not like there is a whole lot of them. These days, you gotta check youtube to see an honest review, like that Totalbiscuit or Halibut guy.

So the whole 75 perfect reviews for Mass Effect 3 is a joke. If you want to give the game an honest score, like in the old days, it would get a 7/10. A good game, that's fun, but certainly not perfect.
Here's a quick summary of Mass Effect 3.

The good stuff.

• Excellent combat system, the cover and cover movement works very well.
• Lots of different weapons with the ability to customise them.
• Melee can be very handy in certain situations.
• Skill tree is easy to work around.
• Enemies seem to work together and they mix up well.
• Insanity is hard, but still doable for an experienced gamer.
• Multiplayer is pretty ok.
• Return of well loved characters.
• No scanning of planets.
• Sound and music are top notch.
• Health and healing system flows well with the combat.
• Pretty cool choices during the game, like the cure of the genophage, siding with the Geth or not.

Bad stuff.

• The game is WAY TOO SHORT! It's the shortest of all three games, even if you do every single side-mission.
• Multiplayer affects the singleplayer ending if you want the best ending (destroy with Shepard alive). Which is a terrible idea to force those that care only about playing singleplayer to play multiplayer.
• Extremely linear, there is only one way and that's forward, every other path you see is an illusion.
• Wasted potential of certain levels. The ones where you walk around with the flash lights on your gun turned on in the complete dark. Now that would've been awesome to fight in.
• Squad mates still being stupid in combat. It's OK for Vega to be stupid and rush in, since he's tough and can handle it, but why on earth does Liara and EDI do the same thing? You have to constantly control them and park them in the back where they are safe.
• Sprites and funny head movements, shows that the game didn't get enough time to get polished. It's very annoying to see Shepard look like the girl from the exorcist.
• Lack of boss battles.
• The game expects you to know things that's in the novels.
• Journal system incredible inefficient.
• Pandering to IGN.
• Introduction of the universally hated spacebrat. If you like this character you should read a good book for a change, something other than Dragonlance or cheap sci-fi novels.
• The ending leaves you disappointed, which affects the replay value of the game.
• Day one DLC that's already on the disk, and it's not something or someone that's useless or of zero importance, but a freaking Prothean.

While I agree with the argument that game reviews probably aren't as in-depth as they should be, a lot of the "flaws" with ME3 you brought up are almost completely subjective. I get why things like the journal and wonky AI would be a problem, but "Pandering to IGN"? Seriously? How is that even an argument?

And about the game being "too short" and "extremely linear", again, subjective. Maybe you think it is a problem. Others? Not so much. 

Javik was partially on-disc... so were Zaeed and Kasumi in ME2 yet no one batted an eyelid. Tell me why a full DLC pack would require 600+ MB of hard drive space if it were already on the disc(s)... I think that has been said to death already.

Conclusion.

Based on what we've experienced Mass Effect 3 is a 7/10 game. Meaning it's a good game, it's fun, but it has too many flaws to get 8/10 and higher. It's main saving grace is the amazing sound and the combat system.

Before the drones rush in and say "How can you give it 7/10. You admitted you had FUN playing it, didn't you?!" Well I also had fun playing Puzzle Quest, Puzzle Agent and Zuma's Revenge. Are those 10/10 games? No? Then your point is stupid. You're letting yourself get blinded and you ignore the issues infront of you.

Isn't having fun what it's all about, though? 

"Ignoring issues" in the game would depend on whether you actually see them as "issues". Why would you post something like this if you're expecting mostly everyone to say: "OMG, you are so right, I love you"?

[SNascimento]

LinksOcarina wrote...

M25105 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

I was replaying ME3 and damn, the game is amazing... walking in Menae and seeing Palaven burning in the background, with reapers capital ships walking around, ships crashing... and the music!
.
I'll say it again. ME3 is a superb game. And the funny thing is, I know ME3 could have been much more, it's not the definitive masterpiece I holped for (it is sometimes), but it's a fitting ending to the trilogy.

You are far too easily impressed.  What does seeing Reapers walking about having to do with the actual game? It's a video game not a film.

When games are supposed to be a visual and tacticle experience, both aspects of that are important in making them great. So yeah, visuals do matter just as much as gameplay and controls, and in both accounts Mass Effect does great.

.
Indeed, one of my favorites things in ME1 was seeing the vistas of a planet after I was dropped in the Mako... some were really memorable.
.
That said, if people only want to consider gameplay elements like level design and gunplay mechanics, ME3 is the best in the trilogy!

[LinksOcarina]

SNascimento wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

M25105 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

I was replaying ME3 and damn, the game is amazing... walking in Menae and seeing Palaven burning in the background, with reapers capital ships walking around, ships crashing... and the music!
.
I'll say it again. ME3 is a superb game. And the funny thing is, I know ME3 could have been much more, it's not the definitive masterpiece I holped for (it is sometimes), but it's a fitting ending to the trilogy.

You are far too easily impressed.  What does seeing Reapers walking about having to do with the actual game? It's a video game not a film.

When games are supposed to be a visual and tacticle experience, both aspects of that are important in making them great. So yeah, visuals do matter just as much as gameplay and controls, and in both accounts Mass Effect the trilogy does great.

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Indeed, one of my favorites things in ME1 was seeing the vistas of a planet after I was dropped in the Mako... some were really memorable.
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That said, if people only want to consider gameplay elements like level design and gunplay mechanics, ME3 is the best in the trilogy!

Pretty much, which is honestly something you rarely hear, because people believe that the gameplay is abhorrent because its not very RPG-like.

I question how many RPGs people actually play then. At least, modern ones. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 13 juillet 2012 - 03:29 .

[CronoDragoon]

M25105 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

I was replaying ME3 and damn, the game is amazing... walking in Menae and seeing Palaven burning in the background, with reapers capital ships walking around, ships crashing... and the music!
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I'll say it again. ME3 is a superb game. And the funny thing is, I know ME3 could have been much more, it's not the definitive masterpiece I holped for (it is sometimes), but it's a fitting ending to the trilogy.

You are far too easily impressed.  What does seeing Reapers walking about having to do with the actual game? It's a video game not a film.

And yet, I constantly hear people talking about seeing the Citadel for the first time in ME1 or the skylines while exploring planets and such. Visuals do matter. It's a visual medium.

[tomcplotts]

weird example to back up an otherwise valid point.
you do know that tiberian sun, while it split a lot of the fanbase back in 97 or so when it was released, is the favorite title for many of us C&C fans. I think it was Westwood's best game. A 9/10 for that game is not unusual, although neither would a 5/10 be. depends on which part of the series you were into.

bottom line is the explosion of ad revenue in the console era changed entirely the industry of gaming review. they became big media companies as opposed to boutique pages on the internet. most people who did game reviews in the 90s had day jobs. it was a labor of love. I did a few myself between 1996 and 1999.

now it's a captured industry. largely a marketing extension between companies and consumers, not "journalism". gamespot and ign exist to move copies of games and in return get paid significant ad revenue for eyeball hits. that's how the commercial side of the net works. it's a total conflict of interest.

[LinksOcarina]

tomcplotts wrote...

weird example to back up an otherwise valid point.
you do know that tiberian sun, while it split a lot of the fanbase back in 97 or so when it was released, is the favorite title for many of us C&C fans. I think it was Westwood's best game. A 9/10 for that game is not unusual, although neither would a 5/10 be. depends on which part of the series you were into.

bottom line is the explosion of ad revenue in the console era changed entirely the industry of gaming review. they became big media companies as opposed to boutique pages on the internet. most people who did game reviews in the 90s had day jobs. it was a labor of love. I did a few myself between 1996 and 1999.

now it's a captured industry. largely a marketing extension between companies and consumers, not "journalism". gamespot and ign exist to move copies of games and in return get paid significant ad revenue for eyeball hits. that's how the commercial side of the net works. it's a total conflict of interest.

It's not that black and white dude. For one, the industry was always corporatized, it just became popular in 2000/2001 because of mainstream success and the advent of stronger console systems. The review industry was also like that since the 1990s, EGM, Xpert Gamer, Gamepro, Nintendo Power, and other magazines did that too. So really, this is not a new thing, because since then reviewers have been blamed for biased reviews and review inflation, (which I do want to point out, is slowly going down over the past few years. Other than IGN which everyone knows is BS, and Game Informer, most sites are slowly lowering average game scores to a less inflated number.) 

And honestly, there are still a lot of reviewers out there that do their job for free because they don't get paid. I am one for example, and it kinda sucks because I wouldn't mind making a steady income for my reviews, previews and editorials. But truth be told, very few companies out there pay their reviewers in cash, usually its a volunteer service for incentives, like getting the games for free or trips to comic-con and E3. 

[Eluril]

OK there's a lot of rosy colored assumptions about video games here. People complaining about how games are corporate driven by money and marketing etc. OK that is a fact. Same thing for movies. Same thing for comic books. The truth is you (meaning a mainstream player/viewer) would likely not have heard about it without those big corporate budgets advertising it and providing salaries for the people working on it.

And then as far as video game reviewers go, a good one in my opinion compares the quality of a game he or she is reviewing to the quality of the best games in recent memory that are comparable and states whether or not it lives up to it. A bad reviewer on the other hand pulls assumptions and utopian asperations about what an Platonic ideal "RPG" should be and then gives a game a bad review because it doesn't live up to those ideals.

By any standard ME3 is a great game, great presentation, great polished gameplay minimum technical problems. I think comparing it to games like Red Dead Redemption, Bioshock, and Half life 2 it lives up to the standards of those games as well as in my opinion being a better game than either of the first two ME games (only slightly in the case of ME2, but I will never understand anyone who says they LOVED ME2 and HATED ME3. To me that just doesn't compute.)

[Alamar2078]

By any standard ME3 is a great game

Based on this I'm pretty sure I don't need to read the rest of the post.   I'm pretty sure I have a set of standards that do not make ME3 a great game.  Perhaps with the EC it may be an "ok" game but nowhere near great.

In terms of pure roleplay & the illusion of control of your character and events ME1 is vastly superior.   The gameplay / inventory can't touch the updates we see in ME2 & ME3 but if your standards stress RPG, control of character, etc. then ME1 blows away ME3.

[LinksOcarina]

Alamar2078 wrote...

By any standard ME3 is a great game

Based on this I'm pretty sure I don't need to read the rest of the post.   I'm pretty sure I have a set of standards that do not make ME3 a great game.  Perhaps with the EC it may be an "ok" game but nowhere near great.

In terms of pure roleplay & the illusion of control of your character and events ME1 is vastly superior.   The gameplay / inventory can't touch the updates we see in ME2 & ME3 but if your standards stress RPG, control of character, etc. then ME1 blows away ME3.

The bolded is emphasized for a reason. And other than 2, which did have poor RPG styled gameplay in terms of the combat mechanics, 3 had mechanics that were on par, if not superior to the crunchyness of Mass Effect.

[Jadebaby]

I agree OP. That is fair.

Anyone who gives it a 10/10 either hasn't played any Bioware games before, or hasn't played any other game than a Bioware game, if you kno what I mean.

Anyone who gives it a 1/10, is just a hater and can be as easily dismissed as the former's score.