35 réponses à ce sujet

[Maclimes]

(Note: To avoid the whole him/her debacle, I'll just refer to the Warden as "him").

The Warden (or Orlesian Warden Commander, if your Warden martyred himself) left because there's some sort of important business related to the darkspawn, archdemon, or whatnot that requires his personal attentions. Something relating to the Architect or some other event from Awakening would be preferable.

The Warden appears in DA3 as a quest-giver for a side mission, related to his own important mission. He needs your help gathering some information or something similar. It should be unrelated to the Mage/Templar war, so we don't have to worry about which side the Warden picks (He has bigger fish to fry).

He would have few spoken lines, so that they could record a variety of voice actors, basing it on the "Voice" option we picked in DA:O.

If your Warden had a Love Interest, the Warden would briefly mention how much they love that person, but important duties called him away, and he hopes to one day reunite with their love. Have a brief mention of what the LI is up to. ("Glad to see Leliana is following her destiny", "Morrigan and the baby are safe, that's all you need to know", "My husband, King Alistair, will keep the peace while I am away", etc etc.)

Then continue on with quest. After the quest is complete, the Warden thanks you and leaves to continue their own quest.

At the end of the game, if you assisted the Warden, you get an epilogue slide mentioned that the Warden is doing whatever it is he's doing, and also mention a reunion with his Love Interest. (If Leliana is in DA3, and she was the Warden's LI, it could also be mentioned on her epilogue slide).

***

I also feel that Hawke should appear in a similar capacity. Would be easier and involve far more dialogue (perhaps a longer quest chain), since there are less worries about number of voice actors needed.

***

Anyway, that's my thought. Opinions?

Modifié par Maclimes, 12 juillet 2012 - 04:37 .

[wsandista]

No

[DarkDragon777]

No.

[brushyourteeth]

Ugh. People on this forum have gotten so dang prickly! This is seriously not a terrible idea. It just won't happen because of all the problems of importing our Warden's physical presets for what amounts to simply one side quest, especially given that there are issues with the other two races and the elves have been visually retconned to the Void and back. I also get the feeling that the devs are a little tired of the Warden since they've had to listen to how superior he/she was to Hawke for the last year.

I really wouldn't mind hearing news of the Warden (or Orlesian Warden Commander) through rumors or documents we find in DAIII though. That shouldn't be unrealistic, either for the lore or for the programming.

[ashwind]

While I can understand why some want to see the Warden or Hawke back in future DA series.

I think it maybe good for Bioware to start anew and drop all the baggage. Time spent on working on savefile import parameters of DAO-DA2 can be spent polishing the new game.

[PinkDiamondstl]

God no...

[Melca36]

ashwind wrote...

While I can understand why some want to see the Warden or Hawke back in future DA series.

I think it maybe good for Bioware to start anew and drop all the baggage. Time spent on working on savefile import parameters of DAO-DA2 can be spent polishing the new game.

Um...Sorry but some of us want to see our choices from BOTh games. They could easily do an intercative comic like they did for ME2 as well.

[Cultist]

Anything but that.

[Jerrybnsn]

Melca36 wrote...

ashwind wrote...

While I can understand why some want to see the Warden or Hawke back in future DA series.

I think it maybe good for Bioware to start anew and drop all the baggage. Time spent on working on savefile import parameters of DAO-DA2 can be spent polishing the new game.

Um...Sorry but some of us want to see our choices from BOTh games. They could easily do an intercative comic like they did for ME2 as well.

I don't know.  Nothings says "Sequel" quite like dropping all characters and storylines from the previous game. Call it a new sequel or "Neequel".

[mopotter]

No thank you.

I would not mind hearing about my Warden and Hawkes choices from someone in the bar or someone I'm talking to about a job mentions the Warden is oh I don't know, rebuilding the group with her partner or the x-warden and King are doing a great job ruling the country. Did you hear Hawke and Anders were helping fleeing mages or did you hear that Hawke person is helping the templars clean up Kirkwall. But I do not want to see either of them.
Something would be off, whether it's how they look or the information they have.

I'd like to see DA3 stand on it's own.

[Jerrybnsn]

mopotter wrote...

No thank you.

I'd like to see DA3 stand on it's own.

I agree.  Mass Effect also could have been a better series if they wouldn't have kept bringing back certain protagonists (I was done with Shepard's story after ME1), companions (really? Garrus in all three games?) and dragging out story lines.  I don't want to see my decisions from one game to the next, just prologue them.  DA2 blew ME2 out of the water with its new characters and its stand alone game decisions.  Let's hope that Bioware keeps the Dragon Age series pure from actually making their sequels becoming sequels.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 13 juillet 2012 - 04:44 .

[Maclimes]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

mopotter wrote...

No thank you.

I'd like to see DA3 stand on it's own.

I agree.  Mass Effect also could have been a better series if they wouldn't have kept bringing back certain protagonists (I was done with Shepard's story after ME1), companions (really? Garrus in all three games?) and dragging out story lines.  I don't want to see my decisions from one game to the next, just prologue them.  DA2 blew ME2 out of the water with its new characters and its stand alone game decisions.  Let's hope that Bioware keeps the Dragon Age series pure from actually making their sequels becoming sequels.

People like to be reminded of how it all fits together, including the decisions they made. On the other hand, if you rely to heavily on the characters, then you blur the lines between games, and lose innovation.

That's why I suggest cameos. A brief sort of "Hello, remember me?" without being the focus of the game. I, too, was sick of seeing the same characters over and over and over and over in the ME series. But there's a difference between companion character and brief cameo. I thought the level of interaction with Ashley/Kaiden in ME2 was appropriate to what I want (not perfect, per se, but close enough). A brief reminder of days gone by, but keep it brief.

[Jerrybnsn]

Maclimes wrote...



That's why I suggest cameos. A brief sort of "Hello, remember me?" without being the focus of the game. I, too, was sick of seeing the same characters over and over and over and over in the ME series..................................................... A brief reminder of days gone by, but keep it brief.

And that's why DA2 is considered the best of Bioware's games.  They had the cameos, but kept them to a very minimum of game interaction and gave them drastic looking appearances.  And even when they had a returning character (from an expansion) they changed his personality, looks and even hired a different voice actor so that we wouldn't be subjecated with stale characters.  The Mass Effect world was just too consistent for people who play games to enjoy.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 13 juillet 2012 - 04:59 .

[philippe willaume]

Melca36 wrote...

ashwind wrote...

While I can understand why some want to see the Warden or Hawke back in future DA series.

I think it maybe good for Bioware to start anew and drop all the baggage. Time spent on working on savefile import parameters of DAO-DA2 can be spent polishing the new game.

Um...Sorry but some of us want to see our choices from BOTh games. They could easily do an intercative comic like they did for ME2 as well.

Indeed we do

[coles4971]

Why would the warden talk to the DA3 protagonist about their LI? As well as that, why would the warden need the DA3 protagonist to gather some information for them to do with the wardens, aren't the wardens very secretive anyway?

[Maclimes]

coles4971 wrote...

Why would the warden talk to the DA3 protagonist about their LI? As well as that, why would the warden need the DA3 protagonist to gather some information for them to do with the wardens, aren't the wardens very secretive anyway?

As for the LI, that's just fan service. I know a lot of people are very concerned about their Wardens and what they are up to. I'm not nearly as attached, personally, but I think it would be neat to see.

As for the gather information thing, that was just an example. Although, let's assume the protagonist is a Seeker. Then the Warden needs some sort of information from the Seekers' archive, and can't get in. The Seeker could get in and do it. Just as an example. I'm not advocating that one minute aspect, however. I'm sure a professional game writer could come up with a better excuse.

[TonberryFeye]

There's only one way I want to see the Warden involved in DA3.

I want him stood between an entire army of Templars / Mages (based on who you supported in DA2) and Morrigan + OGB, and I want him to utter one line: "I am the Hero of Ferelden. What can you possibly do against me?"

And then I want Hawke to step up, challenge him, and get raped. Literally, raped. I want Hawke's disciples to see their hero degraded in the most base and degenerative way possible, and then they should watch Hawke die.

Then all shall be right with Dragon Age, irrespective of any other game content.

[Maclimes]

TonberryFeye wrote...

There's only one way I want to see the Warden involved in DA3.

I want him stood between an entire army of Templars / Mages (based on who you supported in DA2) and Morrigan + OGB, and I want him to utter one line: "I am the Hero of Ferelden. What can you possibly do against me?"

And then I want Hawke to step up, challenge him, and get raped. Literally, raped. I want Hawke's disciples to see their hero degraded in the most base and degenerative way possible, and then they should watch Hawke die.

Then all shall be right with Dragon Age, irrespective of any other game content.

See, this is what I was trying to avoid. I was trying to find a middle ground between "NO MORE WARDEN EVER" and "ALL WARDEN, ALL THE TIME".

[rapscallioness]

TonberryFeye wrote...

There's only one way I want to see the Warden involved in DA3.

I want him stood between an entire army of Templars / Mages (based on who you supported in DA2) and Morrigan + OGB, and I want him to utter one line: "I am the Hero of Ferelden. What can you possibly do against me?"

And then I want Hawke to step up, challenge him, and get raped. Literally, raped. I want Hawke's disciples to see their hero degraded in the most base and degenerative way possible, and then they should watch Hawke die.

Then all shall be right with Dragon Age, irrespective of any other game content.

OoooKaaayyy. That's not creepy......

[Jerrybnsn]

WCRPGs don't appeal to many people as it is, so it's a niche market with little return. Heck, by ME2 they knew they had to ditch the rpg elements. Also, you can't name many games out there that are actual sequels because its very expensive, complicated and time consuming and they get so little in return in sales. The Dragon Age series is better off by continuing the JRPG formula of sequels just being new characters, hero, a familar world---but modified to avoid being stale!!, giving a heavy dose of cinematics for deeper stories, and slapping a number on the end of it. These are the games that people will pay hand over fist for.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 14 juillet 2012 - 10:41 .

[Wulfram]

If I'm not able to play them, they should leave my ex-PCs alone.

[Chipaway111]

Bioware are in a tricky position with the question of the Warden returning or not, because no matter what they do, it will not be to the tastes of many who will (justifiably) say "That's not what my Warden will do"

Hawke is a little easier because of the three definitive personalities and voice.

One more thing, I modded the crap out of my Warden, custom skin, hair, eyes, eyelashes, body shape, hair colour, everything. There is no way I'd be able to make her resemble anything like her Origins appearance.

To actually contribute however, seeing my Warden perhaps very briefly, from the back, example: leading some sort of charge. Or just having questions answered, like, what the heck was of great interest to my Warden? And why did Morrigan have it?

No voice however, to much work, and the cons outweigh the pros in this case, imo.

(They can do whatever the hell they want with Hawke. Really. I would not mind. At all.)

[Jerrybnsn]

Chipaway111 wrote...

I modded the crap out of my Warden, custom skin, hair, eyes, eyelashes, body shape, hair colour, everything. There is no way I'd be able to make her resemble anything like her Origins appearance.

The princible reason for not wanting the returning Warden (or Morrigan for that matter) is the upgrade to their infinity engine that has different features to characters.  God of War is an excellent example in upgrading engines that alter character designs.

Kratos with the Kinectia engine.



Kratos with the Bluepoint engine.

http://t0.gstatic.co...oNfwsIfB6MDAs5a

I rest my case.

[Maclimes]

Chipaway111 wrote...

One more thing, I modded the crap out of my Warden, custom skin, hair, eyes, eyelashes, body shape, hair colour, everything. There is no way I'd be able to make her resemble anything like her Origins appearance.

 

This is a situation in which I simply respond, "Tough". You knew that sequels would import your characters and choices, and you knew that the mods would not carry forward. There's just nothing to be done. 

Chipaway111 wrote... 
To actually contribute however, seeing my Warden perhaps very briefly, from the back, example: leading some sort of charge. Or just having questions answered, like, what the heck was of great interest to my Warden? And why did Morrigan have it?

No voice however, to much work, and the cons outweigh the pros in this case, imo.

Here's another idea, then. And I like it way better than my original post:

A small group of Grey Wardens needs the help from the new protagonist for some reason. (The reason/quest doesn't particularly matter). This would also be a great opportunity to show us a few surviving Grey Wardens from prior play-throughs, depending on their status at the end of the game: Loghain, Alistair, Nathaniel, Oghren, Sigrun, Velanna, Carver, and Bethany (I would list Anders/Justice, but if he survived DA2, I bet he would be looking to help the apostates, not the Grey Wardens). If, at the end of the prior games, those characters were alive and still with the Grey Wardens, they could be at the Grey Warden camp.

The Warden (or Orlesian Warden Commander) could be there as well, at the head of the table as his generals discussed strategy, simply nodding, smiling, or shaking his head at suggestions. After seeing the meeting, the player is quickly ushered out of the room, to speak to the actual quest giver (a new GW for DA3, or perhaps Seneschal Varel).

No voice, no words, no hints of a potentially conflicting personality ... just a presence.

Modifié par Maclimes, 14 juillet 2012 - 01:21 .

[Wulfram]

The face import wouldn't work even without mods. Not well enough, anyway. You don't want your character to end up like Alistair.

And without any hints of personality, what's the point really?