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[adam1986shadow]

 Just completed DAII as a Warrior mage sympathizer however I am wondering now if perhaps Bioware intended for us to play as a Mage for a more fluid story. What's your opinion? I always assumed the Hero of Ferelden to be a Warrior and also the cinematics show Warden as a Warrior and Hawk as a Mage. Perhaps the 3rd hero may be intended as a Rogue

[LobselVith8]

I don't think the Hero of Ferelden was intended to be a warrior - the story responds to all of the possible Origins, and there are reactions for all of them. Dwarven, Dalish, Elven, Mage. Even the different royal boons attest to this. I always felt comfortable going through the story as an elven mage, having different people react to my protagonist being either elven or a mage, and being able to ask for his people to be given their freedom once he became the Hero of Ferelden.

As for Hawke, I never really felt a proper apostate POV was made avaliable for the character. It's pretty much ignored for the most part that a mage Hawke is an illegal mage.

[Dutchess]

Since, as LobselVith8 already said, there are no consequences at all for playing a mage, I don't think Bioware intended Hawke to be one. Otherwise they really should have fleshed it out more. But then again, there's a lot that should have been fleshed out more in this game. Gaider said they had a quest when Hawke was a mage, which involved going to the Fade, but it got cut. So despite Hawke in the trailer appears to be a bloodmage, it's best for your immersion to play a rogue or warrior.

[Maclimes]

I suspect that if there was ever a "canon" story, the Warden is a male Human Noble Warrior, and Hawke is a male mage. But that's just based on promo videos and general impression, by no means is it definitive.

[Murder Knife]

 Didn't they intend Hawke to be a werewolf at first? 

[thats1evildude]

There are some small hints that Hawke is intended to be a mage, but nothing major. If they think I'm going to RP some manskirt-wearing sparklefingers, though, they got another thing comin'.

Ekas wrote...

 Didn't they intend Hawke to be a werewolf at first? 

(sigh) What could have been. 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:04 .

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

The story feels better if he is a mage and carver becomes a Templar. That final confrontation was tense.

[Arthur Cousland]

The mage "struggle" does feel a bit personal as a mage Hawke, rather than watching Bethany be the one hiding from the templars.

As mentioned, mage Hawke never has to worry about being captured and dragged in chains to their imprisonment in the Circle. Hawke has to convince people, like Feynriel, that they are a mage, and many templar npcs seem clueless in their comments.

[Potato Cat]

When creating the Hawke, if you don't want to import the events of DAO, you can choose any of three scenarios with the Male Human Noble being the "default" scenario which, to me, is basically the canon events of DAO, unfortunately. I do think that they intented Hawke to be a mage and the canon will be a mage Hawke, a templar Carver who sided with the mages. The story just seems better that way.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

The mage "struggle" does feel a bit personal as a mage Hawke, rather than watching Bethany be the one hiding from the templars.

As mentioned, mage Hawke never has to worry about being captured and dragged in chains to their imprisonment in the Circle. Hawke has to convince people, like Feynriel, that they are a mage, and many templar npcs seem clueless in their comments.

It also makes the least sense. How is it that Hawke, an apostate mage, is able to roam around Kirkwall without consequence? All fo these other mages are in hiding trying to escape the ever watchful eye of the Templars, but Hawke has no trouble and even goes as far as conversing with high-ranking templars who know Hawke is an apostate mage.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

[LobselVith8]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It makes no sense whatsoever.

Technically, considering that the children of mages belong to the Chantry (as mentioned in the Templars and Chastity thread), neither does Hawke, Carver or Bethany roaming free around Kirkwall. No one looks down on the protagonist for being the progeny of a known apostate. The story pretty much fails on all fronts.

[adam1986shadow]

Nobody seemingly cares that Bethany, Anders or Merrill are blatant mages either untill the story decides so... Seemingly the same as nobody cares if you steal from locked boxes

[Maclimes]

Cullen: Mages aren't people like you and me.
Me, Anders, and Merril (all wearing robes and wielding staffs): ...

[EpicBoot2daFace]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It makes no sense whatsoever.

Technically, considering that the children of mages belong to the Chantry (as mentioned in the Templars and Chastity thread), neither does Hawke, Carver or Bethany roaming free around Kirkwall. No one looks down on the protagonist for being the progeny of a known apostate. The story pretty much fails on all fronts.

I'm not writer, but if I was, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was involved with DA2.

[adam1986shadow]

But the entire story was mage oriented, not to mention I saw just as many if not more mage gear.

[Darth Death]

The DA2 trailer presents Hawke as a mage & the stuff that occurs in legacy shares a similar effect. I don't think BioWare intended it in such a way, but the story does offer the mage background more intensity than the others.

[Elvis_Mazur]

Actually no, the story makes more sense if you are not a mage. Some people will recognize your Hawke as mage (like Fenris), but there are many Templars that will just ignore you, even if you released spells in front of them.

[TonberryFeye]

The fact that the game centres on a Mage-Templar conflict, yet allows an APOSTATE MAGE to wander the city at will, or even become a BLOOD MAGE, proves they never intended Hawke to be a Mage; they simply put the class option in so people wouldn't **** at them.

[wsandista]

Yes

[EricHVela]

It seems to be slanted towards a Mage protagonist. Act I, the protagonist has to hide. It seems a bit more dramatic with the tension of the brother bearing the same weight he doesn't want than protecting the sister that favors the protagonist. Act II, the Mage is somewhat untouchable without causing a political ruckus given the Arishok's and Viscount's particular favoritism and not causing enough visible trouble to warrant Meredith to risk intervention. It seems more dramatic to fly in the face of the devout Templars and support the dissedents for personal reasons rather than for Hawke's sister. Act III begins with the "champion" as a symbol that Meredith cannot touch. Yet soon, all bets are off. It seems more dramatic to me with Meredith's bullseye on Hawke's back for Act III.

Just IMHO.

"They simply put the class option in so people wouldn't complain at them." I disagree. For DA2, I think they wrote a story with a specific protagonist first and modified it for the game instead of a series of common plot points with a single story in those places and writing drastically individual stories between them as they had in Origins. The turnaround time for the last DA was too short to receive the same TLC attention that Origins had.

[Sleepdribble]

Faerunner wrote...

Forgive the cynicism, but I think there would be a lot more mage content and a lot less plot armour if the story was written with a mage in mind. The game felt like it made more sense as a fighter than as a mage, considering how the world responded (or failed to respond) to Hawke.

(Kind of like how DA games usually feel more "natural" to play as humans, but "unnatural" or "full of plot armour" to play as other races since the games are usually written with human protagonists in mind.)

I agree, Faerunner.

You need to use too much imagination/head canon/off-screen assumptions to make a Hawke mage 'fit' in Kirkwell. Not to say role-playing doesn't have a place here - it does. I actually prefer mage playthroughs. I like the angst of being misunderstood, of wearing unlikely 'armour' (at least in the begining) and fighting in close quarters in public like my Hawke is some kind of pointy-enchanted-stick-twirling  warrior. It just takes sooo much more effort to find a way to be at peace with identifying as a mage.

But I think it 's also the most emotionally engaging class to play, hands down.  (And I usually find myself siding with the templars in the end for various complicated, heart-wrenching reasons.)

Modifié par Sleepdribble, 18 juillet 2012 - 03:36 .

[DeathScepter]

i do remember that Kirkwall was a center of a massive Blood magic ritual and the Veil between the world and the veil is quite thin. Or Varric is a bull****ter. Both covers any story issues

Storyline wise: Hawke fits potentially as Mage regardless. And Like How The Warden is a Human Noble Potentially due to that Warden Alistar is both king and a warden.

Hawke due to him becoming a Noble within the game, he can protect Bethany Anders and Merril. Also he is good friends with Aveline and Varric. Both Aveline and Varric are in prime postions in protect Hawke's mage friends

[EpicBoot2daFace]

DeathScepter wrote...

i do remember that Kirkwall was a center of a massive Blood magic ritual and the Veil between the world and the veil is quite thin. Or Varric is a bull****ter. Both covers any story issues

Storyline wise: Hawke fits potentially as Mage regardless. And Like How The Warden is a Human Noble Potentially due to that Warden Alistar is both king and a warden.

Hawke due to him becoming a Noble within the game, he can protect Bethany Anders and Merril. Also he is good friends with Aveline and Varric. Both Aveline and Varric are in prime postions in protect Hawke's mage friends

Doesn't matter. Meredith is the power in Kirkwall, and not even Hawke is above her. Which means it makes even less sense for Hawke to be a mage. She knows he is one throughout the game and she does NOTHING about it.

Story = FAIL.

[lewis251]

ReggarBlane wrote...

It seems to be slanted towards a Mage protagonist. Act I, the protagonist has to hide. It seems a bit more dramatic with the tension of the brother bearing the same weight he doesn't want than protecting the sister that favors the protagonist. Act II, the Mage is somewhat untouchable without causing a political ruckus given the Arishok's and Viscount's particular favoritism and not causing enough visible trouble to warrant Meredith to risk intervention. It seems more dramatic to fly in the face of the devout Templars and support the dissedents for personal reasons rather than for Hawke's sister. Act III begins with the "champion" as a symbol that Meredith cannot touch. Yet soon, all bets are off. It seems more dramatic to me with Meredith's bullseye on Hawke's back for Act III.

Petty much this in Act one you where hiding and minus the one scene with Cullen you don't really run into anyone who would arrest you, you're also likey being protected by aveline, Varric and the faction you joined to enter the city.
 
By Act two you are an Noblemen and like reggarBlane said are untouchable with you being able bribe people off, petty sure someone even mentioned something alonge the line of "no-one is going after hawke of hightown without alot of coin backing them" 
Meredith and others where also busy dealing with the Arishok and the kirkwall killer to brother hawke espically with him being the Viscount favourite.

and final in Act three people ARE aware you're an mage but you're also the champion who saved them from the Arishrok, this is also when Meredith really starts paying attention to Hawke but given the champion symbol there would be a riot if she arrested him so waits until there is one and there deaths can be wirtten of as Mage related, causing more people to support the templars

Modifié par lewis251, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:31 .