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[Sousabird]

the turians had 37 dreadnoughts, the asari had 21, the salarians had 16, and the Alliance had 6 with another under construction. As of 2185, the dreadnought count was 39 turian, 20 asari, 16 salarian, and 8 human. By 2186, humans construct a ninth dreadnought, and the volus have built a single dreadnought of their own.

[Applepie_Svk]

Reapers tactics saying otherwise ...

[D24O]

I agree that the galaxy couldn't win w/ out a superweapon. But the statement you made in the OP is incorrect.

[Peranor]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Eain wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

That line from EDI during the Reaper IFF mission in ME2 seals the deal. A conventional victory would NEVER be possible! Period.

That is all. Nothing more to discuss. It's simply not possible. What we got in the refusal ending was the only realistic outcome.

You are absolutely correct. The writers did everything in their power to resolve the story with a deus ex machina. They made Reapers invincible, made the galaxy's rulers criminally stupid, made Cerberus a sudden empire-strength military that undermined the alliance at every turn, absolutely. At the end there was absolutely no room left for Shepard to use the resources he had gathered and the things he had discovered in the previous two games to conclude this story in a satisfying manner.

Mission accomplished, Bioware writers.

Story undermined.

Nah, it worked great. 

Why do I get the feeling that you would say that even if Bioware had written an ending where Shepard got help from Bozo The Clown to construct a magic popsicle that turned the reapers in to popcorn?

[Sousabird]

So approximately 84 dreadnoughts total but we should really say 83 cause the one on Earth got toasted pretty much instantly

[Applepie_Svk]

anorling wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that you would say that even if Bioware had written an ending where Shepard got help from Bozo The Clown to construct a magic popsicle that turned the reapers in to popcorn?

I Bozo the Clown and this is my favourite quote on BSN...

[David7204]

God damn it, she does say it. ****.

I guess she's just wrong, then.

[GreyLycanTrope]

They seemed susceptible when the fleet attacked them over Earth

[Brovikk Rasputin]

D24O wrote...

I agree that the galaxy couldn't win w/ out a superweapon. But the statement you made in the OP is incorrect.

That's what it says in the game. 

[D24O]

Sousabird wrote...

the turians had 37 dreadnoughts, the asari had 21, the salarians had 16, and the Alliance had 6 with another under construction. As of 2185, the dreadnought count was 39 turian, 20 asari, 16 salarian, and 8 human. By 2186, humans construct a ninth dreadnought, and the volus have built a single dreadnought of their own.

You also have to factor in the Geth and Quarians dreadnought esque ships. That could add a good number to the count if you've made peace. Although IMO still not enough to win, but enough to cause some good damage to the Reaper forces.

[D24O]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

D24O wrote...

I agree that the galaxy couldn't win w/ out a superweapon. But the statement you made in the OP is incorrect.

That's what it says in the game. 

One sentence in 2. But we have the codex in 3, and the cutscenes saying otherwise.

[wantedman dan]

wantedman dan wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Nah, it worked great. 

How so?

[Tealjaker94]

Dreadnought Count
Turians: 39 (Thanix)
Geth: ~30 (can get Thanix)
Asari: 20+DA
Salarians: 16 (Thanix)
Quarians: ~10 (not true dreadnoughts, but have Thanix)
Humans: 9
Volus: 1 (Thanix)
Total: 59 normal, 97 Thanix/DA=~126

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[D24O]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Dreadnought Count
Turians: 39 (Thanix)
Geth: ~30
Asari: 20+DA
Salarians: 16 (Thanix)
Quarians: ~10 (not true dreadnoughts)
Humans: 9
Volus: 1
Total: 60 normal, 56 Thanix/DA, 10 liveships

Liveships have Thanix weaponry as well. 

Modifié par D24O, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .

[legion999]

OP please pay attention to what is said in the third game before running your mouth.

Thank you.

Modifié par legion999, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .

[TookYoCookies]

Rasputin we get it, you would lose conventionally.

While many others would win conventionally.

[wantedman dan]

Pardon the OP for not arguing his position. He is simply too wrapped up in excusing Bioware for their usage of poor literary tropes.

[Tealjaker94]

D24O wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Dreadnought Count
Turians: 39 (Thanix)
Geth: ~30
Asari: 20+DA
Salarians: 16 (Thanix)
Quarians: ~10 (not true dreadnoughts)
Humans: 9
Volus: 1
Total: 60 normal, 56 Thanix/DA, 10 liveships

Didn;t the liveships have Thanix cannons as well? I though they were spread quite liberally throughout the Quarian fleet?

Yes, but I still wouldn't put them up with the turians/salarians. I mean, is it even possible to miss a liveship? Whatever I'll edit to give us the best chance. We still can't win.

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:21 .

[legion999]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

D24O wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...
Dreadnought Count
Turians: 39 (Thanix)
Geth: ~30
Asari: 20+DA
Salarians: 16 (Thanix)
Quarians: ~10 (not true dreadnoughts)
Humans: 9
Volus: 1
Total: 60 normal, 56 Thanix/DA, 10 liveships

Didn;t the liveships have Thanix cannons as well? I though they were spread quite liberally throughout the Quarian fleet?

Yes, but I still wouldn't put them up with the turians/salarians. I mean, is it even possible to miss a liveship?

If you're a stormtrooper yes.

[Naerivar]

I find it amusing that EDI, a damned AI, would make such an error in language use.

Obviously a shield is not impervious to anything. Anything that exhibits a force on a shield will decrease its strength. If you would bombard Sovereign with a googol flies at the same time, I'm sure his shields would have collapsed as well.

So what she would have meant, was that a Reaper's shields can shrug off the fire of a dreadnought. Of course, the firepower of four dreadnoughts is different. We can't just assume that 4 x 0 = 0 because of the shield regeneration rate (which is physically a rather weird thing if you think about the nature of shields). But even if that wasn't the case. 4 times the power does not always mean 4 times the result.

TookYoCookies wrote...

Rasputin we get it, you would lose conventionally.

While many others would win conventionally.

I give you my internet!

Modifié par Naerivar, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:25 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

TookYoCookies wrote...

Rasputin we get it, you would lose conventionally.

While many others would win conventionally.

Uhm no. Beating the Reapers conventionally isn't possible. 

[D24O]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Yes, but I still wouldn't put them up with the turians/salarians. I mean, is it even possible to miss a liveship? Whatever I'll edit to give us the best chance. We still can't win.

Oh, I know that. But I know that Thanix weaponry is spread pretty liberally throughout our navies. Even the Blue suns had control of resources to make Dreadnought scale Thanix weaponry. So while we can't win, we would do a number.

[Taco Del Marr]

I wished the fact that the Reapers had to fly in from dark space using FTL would factor in, since Vigil told us the Reapers would not want to wastefully expend energy like this, and the whole point of taking the Citadel to avoid fighting a united galaxy. And what is the point of ME 1 hence the whole reason for ME 1, ME 2, and the Arrival DLC if the Reapers can use FTL reach the glaxy and still murder everyone with minimal losses.

[o Ventus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

TookYoCookies wrote...

Rasputin we get it, you would lose conventionally.

While many others would win conventionally.

Uhm no. Beating the Reapers conventionally isn't possible. 

Have you attempted it yet?

[AlexMBrennan]

Retcon? Plothole? EDI OOC & holding the idiot ball?