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A thread of appreciation. Because Bioware needs to hear from real gamers

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:01

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Few87 wrote...

Well if you think jack black can "own music noobs" then you prob have no idea what you are talking about in relation to games :) Also i was initially overwhelmed by DA, but now i feel it is a little less than it should have been. And im not some tweeny gamer whatever that means, i have played games for many years and know what im talking about. these new people to games as i think you mean may have genuine good ideas anyway. If you keep people from the past then all that happens is stagnation, so in many ways your opinion and mine counts for less than theirs..


... u know what. if you are that retarded not to read my response to the other guy about this same issue, than i'm not even going to recognize your post.

just so u know though, tweens that hardly know anything about games but play WoW or Counter-Strike are worth 0 compared to somebody like me that has been playing games for almost 20 years and know a diamond from a pile-o-poo. Games like DAO take key elements from lore in fantasy series and many many other fantasy/sci-fi elements, that some tween that has been watching new-age cartoons with the experience of WoW and counter-strike is despisable.

Just like in any genre "for example music", you have the people that are music gurus and then u have your pimply tween that has listened to a few records and doesn't  know what he's talking about.

never tell me that they are worth more than me. I am worth more than every 1 of those kinds in the whole world, get out of my genre trash.

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:12

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yea @ Few same feeling here.



-There are a lot of dialogues but the different answer options will not resolve in different reactions (@ least 95% of the time)

-besides 2 or 3 possibilities you can't change a little thing in the Storyline

-The whole Charakter development has not the depth Baldurs Gate had and you're not knowing exactly what happens in combat or why you are making that damage

-same for all the skills you have no idea how high a skill increases something

-everything in the DA:O World feels "borrowed" from different fantasy Books or games that became more and more popular in the last years.

some examples:



Elfes =their behavior, their circumstances = The Witcher

Magic and Demons that come from a "parallel dimension" = Warhammer universe

Hunloks and everything around the darkspawn= Lord of the rings



It's a good game but it can't even compete with BG @ least for me

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:16

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Xeper84 wrote...

yea @ Few same feeling here.

-There are a lot of dialogues but the different answer options will not resolve in different reactions (@ least 95% of the time)
-besides 2 or 3 possibilities you can't change a little thing in the Storyline
-The whole Charakter development has not the depth Baldurs Gate had and you're not knowing exactly what happens in combat or why you are making that damage
-same for all the skills you have no idea how high a skill increases something
-everything in the DA:O World feels "borrowed" from different fantasy Books or games that became more and more popular in the last years.
some examples:

Elfes =their behavior, their circumstances = The Witcher
Magic and Demons that come from a "parallel dimension" = Warhammer universe
Hunloks and everything around the darkspawn= Lord of the rings

It's a good game but it can't even compete with BG @ least for me


exactly! I think the guy that made this thread seems a little bit into himself and may just need to get over himself a little bit

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:21

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Good Job! five years is a long time but don't worry the Devs of Guild Wars 2 have you beat with Six Years of Development time!!!!

Keep on working on new material for DAO!

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:21

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Xeper84 wrote...

yea @ Few same feeling here.

-There are a lot of dialogues but the different answer options will not resolve in different reactions (@ least 95% of the time)
-besides 2 or 3 possibilities you can't change a little thing in the Storyline
-The whole Charakter development has not the depth Baldurs Gate had and you're not knowing exactly what happens in combat or why you are making that damage
-same for all the skills you have no idea how high a skill increases something
-everything in the DA:O World feels "borrowed" from different fantasy Books or games that became more and more popular in the last years.
some examples:

Elfes =their behavior, their circumstances = The Witcher
Magic and Demons that come from a "parallel dimension" = Warhammer universe
Hunloks and everything around the darkspawn= Lord of the rings

It's a good game but it can't even compete with BG @ least for me



fyi:
- this is a story based game. DUH, there is going to be a story! You're not supposed to be able to change everything in the story but the amount of variety they have in the game is astounding compared to any other RPG to-date. The sheer amount of cutscene options is astounding.
- I don't know what you're talking about. I'm on my fourth run through DAO and have read plenty of wikis and am still finding new things to enjoy.
- your complaint about not knowing dmg numbers or what anything does is invalid. Like I stated in my first post on this thread, your inadequacies are being blamed on Bioware: all that information is clearly stated on this site. http://dragonage.wikia.com


- As for the "everything seems borrowed" comment. You SIR, are a bafoon. People play games like DAO in order to see first hand graphical representations of LOOOOONG series of fleshed out fantasy/sci fi elements and depictions.

If I was like, ooo ya, I'm going to make A STAR WARS GAME, with VULCANS, but the VULCANS look like big bugs with spidery tenticles! ya! errrr no? o/c a fantasy game is going to have fantasy elements in it. duh

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:26

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Bioware must be feeling proud right around now to have attained the slavering praise of their target demographic. Or something.

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:27

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Lobsang1979 wrote...

Bioware must be feeling proud right around now to have attained the slavering praise of their target demographic. Or something.


haha, so true, stagnatiiiioooon

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:30

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Cheers Bioware.

i've played all their games and i have to say this is by far one of my favorites, right behind NWN.

Cheers to a true and american game developing company that continues to produce quality products.

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:33

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Lobsang1979 wrote...

Bioware must be feeling proud right around now to have attained the slavering praise of their target demographic. Or something.


no, I mean, why make planes for people that ride in them, why not make a plane that can go underwater to so that sumbarine fans can get into it (course they'll complain about the flying parts if that ever happens)

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:49

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it's funny because before i read your post i thought that they've made a lot of admissions for those "tweenys".
like:
less skills
a more like WOW based fight ruleset (aggro no strange skills like the good old disarm talent)
not very hard especially after 1.02
some real cool blood effects

Those different borrowed parts just destroy a huge part of the atmosphere. I'am just thinking something like "yea you know that from xyz"

To the Story:
yea but it's not even possible to change it just a little and there are really no surprises in it.

and on the Dragon age wiki is nothing stated to the exact boni a talent gives for example Bravery:
"The warrior's unwavering courage grants bonuses to damage, physical resistance, and mental resistance, as well as a bonus to critical chance that increases proportionally to the number of enemies above two that the warrior is engaging. " That's exactly the same text you can read ingame no information to the exact damage or physical resistance...
It's beautiful that i can read the basic rules of their fight engine but i want it all !! and ingame. I also want to know why my warrior missed and stuff like that.

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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 11:50

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Legacy_QuEsT wrote...
just so u know though, tweens that hardly know anything about games but play WoW or Counter-Strike are worth 0 compared to somebody like me that has been playing games for almost 20 years and know a diamond from a pile-o-poo.


I'm pretty sure you both pay the same amount when buying a game.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:28

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Xeper84 wrote...

it's funny because before i read your post i thought that they've made a lot of admissions for those "tweenys".
like:
less skills
a more like WOW based fight ruleset (aggro no strange skills like the good old disarm talent)
not very hard especially after 1.02
some real cool blood effects

Those different borrowed parts just destroy a huge part of the atmosphere. I'am just thinking something like "yea you know that from xyz"

To the Story:
yea but it's not even possible to change it just a little and there are really no surprises in it.

and on the Dragon age wiki is nothing stated to the exact boni a talent gives for example Bravery:
"The warrior's unwavering courage grants bonuses to damage, physical resistance, and mental resistance, as well as a bonus to critical chance that increases proportionally to the number of enemies above two that the warrior is engaging. " That's exactly the same text you can read ingame no information to the exact damage or physical resistance...
It's beautiful that i can read the basic rules of their fight engine but i want it all !! and ingame. I also want to know why my warrior missed and stuff like that.


u know what dude. ur not that smart. I mean, all u have to do is activate a skill in game and go to your character gui page and look at the stats and then deactivate it and look at the stats. That's soooo hard. wow amazing. i just solved your poblem with basic elementary intelligence.

and seriously, there are a lot of stats listed in that wiki but not everything is listed. so stop complaining. Using what is on that site fills in most of the gaps. do u have any more questions? Maybe I can personally answer any of your dmg/% questions.

your complaints dont' even make sense. most of the people on this board are complaining that this game is too hard, your complaining it's too ez. and bioware is trying to get it into your thick skulls that there is a difficulty option. golly.

as for blood, good, awesome, as if you havne't noticed there is blood EVERYWHERE in fact, mostly everything is made of blood, even the dragon in the loading screen or the blood splotches everywhere(guess u were just too dense to notice that).

as for the skills, i'm not sure what you're complaining about. there are a ton of spells/specializations/attribute use/ectectectect... what more do u possibly want in the first game that is 1 month old that the modding community is just getting their hands on.

u sir. are dumb. reaaaaly dumb. thx

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:33

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I left gaming years ago due to the pains of life, but then while visiting youtube one night and watching ME movies, I decided to try it out. Been pulled from retirement ever since, got so impressed I then grabbed all the Bioware games I missed out on. Furthermore, DA:O has even got my wife into gaming recently.



Now it seems as long as Bioware still exists, then I'll still be gaming. I'm not so sure about the OP's term about "real gamers", etc. But all I know is that I can agree that Bioware is simply genius.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:38

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Legacy Quest: Praising Bioware doesn't grant you licence to be rude to people on their forums.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:41

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Legacy_QuEsT wrote...


The grammatical errors, spelling errors, lack of punctuation… the irony is astounding.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:45

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I liked DA:O it's a nice game, well developed but with some minor flaws that will possibly be adressed (hopefully) on next patches.



But i'm getting really worried about the "brainwashing effect" i'm seeing in some people... Could be related to the water supply...





I smell...CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:55

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Praising Bioware doesn't grant you licence to be rude to people on their forums.


you're right.

I guess my defense is that I have played maaany games. And most games are bad. For example, D&D online was horrible - it was an MMO that was made specifically by only having instanced dungeons.

going to worse... talk about Conan MMO. Now, if somebody wants to complain about the lack of stat information, that game was teeerraassh. The majority of the time skills didn't work, the other half of the time their description was in bad English or false. The balance in the game was terrible, the story was decent until level 20 than was bad (real bad).

we walk to even worse. Vangaurd : trash except for an interesting diplomacy gui.
                                           Warhammer Online: amazingly boring on every level. very little customization possible. Also, there was a wealth of information on the boringest stuff.
                                          Lotro: somewhat decent but old.
                                          Guild Wars: snorefest with little interesting story
                                         

almost every MMO or RPG has been sucky. Oblivion was an exception but it's old and DAO is much better than IMO. Fallout 3 was nice but short and more shoot-um-up. NVN series was decent but dated.








So what has there been? Hmmm, there has been BG series, which was great that came out about 10 years ago and is super outdated. Then there is Oblivion/Fallout/ maybe the Kotor series (i could never find a cd that actually worked. Lucas producing flawed software).



Mass effect is decent but dated and not exactly medieval fantasy.




So, DAO is looking like it will be the absolute best RPG series of all time (except for the BG series and possibly the KOTOR series when the mmo comes out) and guess what, BIOWARE produced/IsProducing all those series.

So u ask me why I am being rude to people on the forum? I am not trying to be, I am an opinionated person and I am allowed to be opinionated. My opinion is that people who can't appreciate something good for what it is, should gather more experience in the gaming genre to understand things before they post negative things on forums. Or just simply ask questions if they are having problems with something in the game.


And I personally think that this game is ****ing amazing. Pardon my french. I am a Bioware fanboy because they are the Porches of video game creators. These guys are geniuses and deserve to be complimented for the sheer entertainment I get when I play their games.


                                        

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:03

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Im sure Bioware is already proud of its fanbase. And I doubt Bioware pays attention to unconstructive criticism from teens or the 'just became 17' folk, unless they do have constructive criticism.



You have to realise too that Bioware isn't 100% perfect, I can name one game that actually made me leave gaming for a while -> NWN. The story in that was FAR below the standards set by their previous product BG1 and 2. But then they came back, with KOTOR, with JE, and with ME, now with DA:O, all exceptional quality products. But no company is perfect mate.



In the end though people have their own opinions. When my daughter grows up and I consider her ready to handle the mature contents of the game, I'll let her play it - yet even if she goes up to me and tells me she doesn't like the game - who am I to impose my Bioware-fanaticism onto her, for example.



As for your rudeness as others have mentioned, you can be opinionated yet polite at the same time. Myself, I tend to speak my mind but I never wish to offend anyone nor do I get overly-passionate about it. I guess in a way, I tranquil xP

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:06

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I was with the OP right up until he separated himself with the inflammatory term "real gamer."

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:08

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I enjoyed Dragon Age, but I am (alas) not a "Real Gamer". I lost my membership years ago. It was sad.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:20

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OneBadAssMother wrote...

Im sure Bioware is already proud of its fanbase. And I doubt Bioware pays attention to unconstructive criticism from teens or the 'just became 17' folk, unless they do have constructive criticism.

You have to realise too that Bioware isn't 100% perfect, I can name one game that actually made me leave gaming for a while -> NWN. The story in that was FAR below the standards set by their previous product BG1 and 2. But then they came back, with KOTOR, with JE, and with ME, now with DA:O, all exceptional quality products. But no company is perfect mate.

In the end though people have their own opinions. When my daughter grows up and I consider her ready to handle the mature contents of the game, I'll let her play it - yet even if she goes up to me and tells me she doesn't like the game - who am I to impose my Bioware-fanaticism onto her, for example.

As for your rudeness as others have mentioned, you can be opinionated yet polite at the same time. Myself, I tend to speak my mind but I never wish to offend anyone nor do I get overly-passionate about it. I guess in a way, I tranquil xP


well, I was being polite when I failed to mention that NVN let me down a bit after the BG series. But if u were following the news u would know that Bioware got aquired during that time period and were not their own bosses. NVN series is not their series, they were simply bought out and some of their people were forced into making it.

hence... i don't talk about NVN all that much. Activision/Blizzard who is responsible for the only real QUALITY games besides Bioware purchased Bioware and gave them unlimited resources to make whatever they wanted. Hence, Bioware made DAO and is making KOTORO which will be the best MMO EVER!

some things are not mentioned because they are controversial, but as for being rude, the reason why I am rude sometimes is because the gaming industry was a lot smaller 10 years ago and was much more knowledgable respectable and there was a core of gamers. Nowadays with WoW, everything has expanded to include people that are ignorant, and full of unfounded complaints.

My frustration as a gamer is that companies have changed their policies to produce content that will sell to the most people. The most people unfortunately, are not even what I would consider real gamers. As the industry expands and money is what companies need, it is a breath of fresh air that companies like Bioware produce quality products because they have unlimited funds from Activision with no pressure from mass noobs.


:)

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:24

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The tweens that know nothing about games or a quality experience and **** about this game because of their own inadequacies. Well, they will always be around, and they contribute somewhat to the game sales, but I really hope they don't throw around their trash opinions and ruin quality experiences for the real gamers.


Advice for you :

If you want people to take your opinions seriously instead of treating them as the ranting of a child, do not belittle those that you don't agree with as having "trash opinions".  Do not label yourself a "real gamer" while pretend others are somehow lesser.  Do not bait and flame with ad hominen arguements such as talking about other peoples 'inadequacies".

I don't even KNOW what your opinion is, but whatever you were trying to say, I no longer care and you have lost all credibility because of the arrogance and obviously hateful spite against those that you don't agree with.  You are clearly not here to conduct a genuine discussion, but here to bait and flame.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:26

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sleepy__head wrote...

The tweens that know nothing about games or a quality experience and **** about this game because of their own inadequacies. Well, they will always be around, and they contribute somewhat to the game sales, but I really hope they don't throw around their trash opinions and ruin quality experiences for the real gamers.


Advice for you :

If you want people to take your opinions seriously instead of treating them as the ranting of a child, do not belittle those that you don't agree with as having "trash opinions".  Do not label yourself a "real gamer" while pretend others are somehow lesser.  Do not bait and flame with ad hominen arguements such as talking about other peoples 'inadequacies".

I don't even KNOW what your opinion is, but whatever you were trying to say, I no longer care and you have lost all credibility because of the arrogance and obviously hateful spite against those that you don't agree with.  You are clearly not here to conduct a genuine discussion, but here to bait and flame.


double standards: winning arguments since.. never?

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:35

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Well we will all eventually get old and naggy mate, trust me on this. But if we want to stay young and pleasant - we have to fight off that demon within us hehe so to speak =)



Yes I know about EA acquiring Bioware, which at the start was rather a scare. But Bioware produced ME and now DA:O while under EA. So I do not believe EA has undermined Bioware's artistic flair as of yet. Either then the ingame salesman in DA, there's really nothing to remind me of EA involvement in Bioware. EA has let Bioware develop how they wish to develop - a most wise decision, and enough freakin' award-winning titles testament to that fact.



As for your anti-noob or real-gamer comments... my wife for example, is a noob, she didn't have a clue about how to play ME and JE, instead she just directed movies while I worked the camera so to speak. Then came DA:O, and her characters tend to end up 10x better then my own - since she is a "noob" and not a "real gamer", how is that possible? Not to mention how is it possible she loves this game so much that I have trouble kicking her off MY comp? lol



It's just different audiences, a lot of folk like games where they can just shoot em up, blow them up, then get back to whatever they were doing after they vented out their life frustrations on a game. But I doubt Bioware will change just to entertain THAT particular audience. They tend to be a proud and stubborn folk, remember JE? They pretty much just said, "enough of rules", we'll make what we want. That game was almost utterly flawless.



DA is already in the top sales for PC so far. So why should they worry?

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:46

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I've been gaming on console and then PC for something like 31 years now. I'm not hardcore or super skilled at games, but I've played and modified (starting with Ultima 3) quite a few over the decades.

Before Bioware my favorites were from outfits like Origin Systems (I miss these guys), Brøderbund, Access, Activision, Electronic Arts (before it became notorious), Interplay (Bard's Tale, etc.), SSI, The Logic Factory, Ensemble Studios, and so forth.

When I first played Baldur's Gate I had mixed feelings. Coming from SSI's D&D games I decided BG lacked true turn-based combat, which destroyed my favorite thing about turn-based D&D: precision tactics and strategy. The pause features felt hacked in and I had a hard time adjusting. At any rate, the game slowly grew on me, and then BG2 came out and I was hooked. I've played most of Bioware's PC-based games since then and, for the most part, enjoyed them immensely.

DA:O is a new favorite, and I look forward to future projects based on this new IP. This is also the first time I've purchased books based on a game universe, and I really enjoy reading them. I don't always agree with how Bioware does things, but I've yet to feel like I got burned after buying and playing one of their games (I did feel that way with BG at first, but now it's a favorite.).

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