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A thread of appreciation. Because Bioware needs to hear from real gamers

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#51
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:56

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Legacy_QuEsT wrote...

sleepy__head wrote...

The tweens that know nothing about games or a quality experience and **** about this game because of their own inadequacies. Well, they will always be around, and they contribute somewhat to the game sales, but I really hope they don't throw around their trash opinions and ruin quality experiences for the real gamers.


Advice for you :

If you want people to take your opinions seriously instead of treating them as the ranting of a child, do not belittle those that you don't agree with as having "trash opinions".  Do not label yourself a "real gamer" while pretend others are somehow lesser.  Do not bait and flame with ad hominen arguements such as talking about other peoples 'inadequacies".

I don't even KNOW what your opinion is, but whatever you were trying to say, I no longer care and you have lost all credibility because of the arrogance and obviously hateful spite against those that you don't agree with.  You are clearly not here to conduct a genuine discussion, but here to bait and flame.


double standards: winning arguments since.. never?


The definition of "arrogance" on Merriam-Webster Online dictionary - http://www.merriam-w...onary/ARROGANCE :

"an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions"

Case in point (Quoted from your original post) :

- "I really hope they don't throw around their trash opinions"
- "don't listen to idiot criticisms from game noobs."
- "The tweens that know nothing about games or a quality experience and **** about this game because of their own inadequacies."

If you are able to tell us how those 3 statements of yours above is NOT arrogance, then by all means do so.   Otherwise do accept that it is.  And having done that, it follows that when one tells you that you have lost credibility due to that demonstrated arrogance, is not ad hominen, but a statement of fact.

Now that your attempt to change subject has been thoroughly thwarted, allow me to kindly shine the light back on the fact that your rant in your original post might have made others take you more seriously had you not fill it with all the assumptions, vitriol, name calling, profanity and yes, arrogance too.

You started a thread with a pretense of a discussion, but your attitude and the hate in it clearly demonstrated that a genuine discussion was the last thing you were looking for.  So DON'T be surprised when people call you out if you do that.  Next time, try a little less profanity, a little less flame and more politeness and *maybe* people would take you more seriously.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 02:05

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I am a super-real gamer. The game is awesome but appreciation does not influence society as much as dollar signs. If we want more games like this, we need to buy 3 extra copies of the game and put it into the best selling games of all time. That is only way to defeat the mass noobs. A real gamer does not want a guitar game or something to play with his dad on christmas. A real gamer sits in is basement through the holidays and yells at his mom to heat up his hot pockets!

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 02:39

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OneBadAssMother wrote...

Well we will all eventually get old and naggy mate, trust me on this. But if we want to stay young and pleasant - we have to fight off that demon within us hehe so to speak =)

Yes I know about EA acquiring Bioware, which at the start was rather a scare. But Bioware produced ME and now DA:O while under EA. So I do not believe EA has undermined Bioware's artistic flair as of yet. Either then the ingame salesman in DA, there's really nothing to remind me of EA involvement in Bioware. EA has let Bioware develop how they wish to develop - a most wise decision, and enough freakin' award-winning titles testament to that fact.

As for your anti-noob or real-gamer comments... my wife for example, is a noob, she didn't have a clue about how to play ME and JE, instead she just directed movies while I worked the camera so to speak. Then came DA:O, and her characters tend to end up 10x better then my own - since she is a "noob" and not a "real gamer", how is that possible? Not to mention how is it possible she loves this game so much that I have trouble kicking her off MY comp? lol

It's just different audiences, a lot of folk like games where they can just shoot em up, blow them up, then get back to whatever they were doing after they vented out their life frustrations on a game. But I doubt Bioware will change just to entertain THAT particular audience. They tend to be a proud and stubborn folk, remember JE? They pretty much just said, "enough of rules", we'll make what we want. That game was almost utterly flawless.

DA is already in the top sales for PC so far. So why should they worry?


seems like i was a bit wrong with my statement. It's been a while...

I was upset that MMOS hit the market with everquest and supressed single player RPGS like Baldurs Gate because they couldn't compete with the $$$. I think Black Isle got bought out or something like that (confused it with Bioware because they produced Baldurs Gate 2gether?). Anyway, I don't exactly know the whole history. I was not too impressed with NeverWinter Nights 2 but I never got to play NVN because that was around the time I quit gaming for college.

In any case, I agree with you that NVN series was not as good as BG series. I'm not so sure I wanted to say that publicly tho b/c it is just an opinion.

I probably would have liked NVN @ the time it was released but trying to play it years l8r when graphics had improved significantly does not work for most games.

In any case, I think it was black isle that got bought out is what I was saying. I don't exactly know all the details or what happened.

Bioware does fantastic work though. 

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 02:48

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If you quit gaming for college, you are not a "real gamer". Real gamers quit college for gaming.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 02:54

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Wild Maiden wrote...

If you quit gaming for college, you are not a "real gamer". Real gamers quit college for gaming.


quitting gaming for college just means i was too broke to own a computer to play games on for a certain time period. college tuition is expensive.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 03:05

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Wild Maiden wrote...

If you quit gaming for college, you are not a "real gamer". Real gamers quit college for gaming.


Thank you that was one of the more stupid comments I have had the pleasure to read on this board.  
I feel enlightened that anyone would even be dumb enough to have that mind-set,once again thank you.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 03:08

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Well Legacy, it's obvious we're both fans. But personally, I would tune it down a bit myself ;)



Thank you that was one of the more stupid comments I have had the pleasure to read on this board.

I feel enlightened that anyone would even be dumb enough to have that mind-set,once again thank you.




Well this forum can be more entertaining then solitaire... or work.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 03:16

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Legacy_QuEsT wrote...

I would like to point out that I have been a gamer for almost 20 years and Bioware has always delivered quality and top notch entertainment with genius over and over again.

There are soo many reasons this game is awesome and I am looking forward to the KOTOR mmo with anticipation.


The tweens that know nothing about games or a quality experience and **** about this game because of their own inadequacies. Well, they will always be around, and they contribute somewhat to the game sales, but I really hope they don't throw around their trash opinions and ruin quality experiences for the real gamers.


thx, that's what I had to say. Bioware is awesome, keep delivering awesome experiences, and don't listen to idiot criticisms from game noobs.


I've been gaming longer then 20 years, am I a real gamer??  I never got a letter in the mail or anything letting me know.  Although DA is a very good game...I would hardly call it genius. 

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 03:23

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LdyShayna wrote...

I enjoyed Dragon Age, but I am (alas) not a "Real Gamer". I lost my membership years ago. It was sad.


was alcohol or pastries involved???...it's always one of the two...always:unsure:

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 08:39

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StrangeCat Productions wrote...

Wild Maiden wrote...

If you quit gaming for college, you are not a "real gamer". Real gamers quit college for gaming.


Thank you that was one of the more stupid comments I have had the pleasure to read on this board.  
I feel enlightened that anyone would even be dumb enough to have that mind-set,once again thank you.

Have you ever heard of a joke?  You need to lighten up a bit... 

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 08:42

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ok short and precise so that even you may understand it: you can't see how high a stat will be increased by a skill when you're leveling. It's completely useless to know that AFTER you've made a decision. i knew that you can see most of the skill improvements in the stat. screen but first that was not my point and second thanks for really trying to understand what i wrote.
A unofficial wiki has nothing to do with what a game offers that's just stupid.

There is a difficulty option? Really? hmm strange i can't put it higher than nightmare maybe i'am just too dumb
Most people are complaining that the game is too hard? Yea most people are buying brittney spears so whats that an argument for?

I noticed the blood and gore @ the first preview and for me it's pretty clear which gamers they tried to interest with their trailers....tweenys

Modifié par Xeper84, 17 décembre 2009 - 08:44 .

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 08:49

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you can easily see how high a skill increases something by looking @ your stat page b4 u put a point in it and then after. if u need to see what a skill does that u toggle on and off, view the char stat page b4 and after u turn it on.





if u haven't noticed there is a toolbar above this message that lists "games" under that drop down menu there is your game listed if u registered it. when u mouse over it wikis are listed there. if u can't be bothered to use the resources provided than why is that anyones fault but your own.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 08:52

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I noticed the blood and gore @ the first preview and for me it's pretty clear which gamers they tried to interest with their trailers....tweenys




Yeah, I found the marketting campaign a bit... meh

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 09:03

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ok and than i'll write it down to see it the next time i'am thinking about putting a point on that skill.
Or i load and save about 10 times to compare that skill with some others...
And i still can't see why my warrior missed on a particular swing
you still have no clue.

is it really so hard to understand that using a wiki and write down the skill improvements or just minimizing to the desktop all the time to see a accurate skill description that should be in the game is NO argument for me?

Modifié par Xeper84, 17 décembre 2009 - 09:05 .

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 09:37

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Xeper84 wrote...

ok and than i'll write it down to see it the next time i'am thinking about putting a point on that skill.
Or i load and save about 10 times to compare that skill with some others...
And i still can't see why my warrior missed on a particular swing
you still have no clue.

is it really so hard to understand that using a wiki and write down the skill improvements or just minimizing to the desktop all the time to see a accurate skill description that should be in the game is NO argument for me?


I agree, clear in-game descriptions beat having to get them out of the game. If you don't already have it, I think you'll very much like this sweet mod:

social.bioware.com/project/1117/#details

Be sure to give the little plus at the top-right of the mod's page a click to register your appreciation, and visit this thread to discuss the mod and lay down a thankyou:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/357780

Makes the tooltips/descriptions more like how they should be (specific and accurate), and more like how the developers intended it to be.

Modifié par Statue, 17 décembre 2009 - 09:57 .

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 09:41

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A thread of appreciation. Because Bioware needs to hear from real gamers



LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 09:41

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BOOYA MAN u took the words right out of my mouth



the reason dragon age dosent sell as well as games like MW 2 is cuz little 12 year tarnish the gamer population nowdays and they hate games like dragon age cuz it TAKES TOO MUCH THINKING so they play shooter games to think their cool and say OOOO IM SO AWSOME I KILLED A CIVILIAN

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 10:01

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i have to think about that mod thanks! The only distraction is that i'am playing the german version and i really don't like language mixtures

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 10:12

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Xeper84 wrote...

ok and than i'll write it down to see it the next time i'am thinking about putting a point on that skill.
Or i load and save about 10 times to compare that skill with some others...
And i still can't see why my warrior missed on a particular swing
you still have no clue.

is it really so hard to understand that using a wiki and write down the skill improvements or just minimizing to the desktop all the time to see a accurate skill description that should be in the game is NO argument for me?



dude, Bioware made a char stat page in the game and a description in for every skill and attribute and they have an option to list the dmg a character does when a swing connects.

If you are missing a particular swing it is because the swing is a roll and it there are several skills and attribute numbers that your enemy can have especially bosses that make it possible for them to miss your swing. If you want your swing to connect more than raise the attributes that make it more likely to hit. If u don't know that Dexterity raises attack numbers than u should go read about it on a wiki page. There are skills that raise your attack and wikis list by how much most times or u can just turn it on and check the stat page yourself to find out.

It's really simple. i don't understand what you are having difficulty with. There are soo many variables why u would miss, such as bad attribute location, your attack compared to the enemy dex number, negative spells cast on you that lower your attack, skills that the enemy possesses that allow it to miss more often.

what do u want Bioware to do? List all the skills each enemy boss has and uses? List the dex number for an enemy or if it has a skill that substitutes a different attribute for dex number or what items it is wearing that give it dex? or even the roll that is a random roll to determine your hit??

at some point if u want to find out more information, than go to wikis or just look at your stats page. If you really want all that other information than request somebody to make a mod that shows the numbers. it's not that hard to make a mod that reveals the random roll and enemy stats in game.

but jjust stop complaining. the game is great, it doesn't need to elaborate those exact mathematical numbers. you are expected to go find out that information by looking at your stat page or a wiki if you want to know. they have floating dmg numbers, and a char page with stats and descriptions for all skills. that and wikis and common sense should be good enough. otherwise request a mod to be made - it's that simple.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 10:28

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i want to see every roll, so i can evaluate how high i should improve dex. and strength to have the best compromise between the chance to hit and damage. I want to see the exact percentage a skill improves a certain area BEFORE i'am choosing it. That's all needed to actually THINK about your chars. and if that's not clear: i don't want to read about the best combination. I want to be able to come to the same conclusion on my own with the help a game gives me. but there is no information in DA:O.

That's all stuff nwn1, nwn2 and BG had.

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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 11:06

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I R SIT ON MAH FAT ASS AN PLAY GAMES FOR 20 YEARS I EZ A REAL GAMUR AND U R ALL NOOOOBS I R KNOW TEH BEST OF EVERYTHING AN U R SUCK DIS GAME R SO GR3AT I CAN JUDGE OTHAR PEOPLE OF DEY R GAMUR OR NOT AND DEM TWEENS SUCK CUZ DEY DEFENTLY NOT AS MATUR3 AS I AM NOOOOOOOOOBS.



Jesus Christ playing games for 20 years calling yourself a "real gamer" and telling teens can't be real gamers while showing the maturity of a lil' kid? Yeah...

Counterstrike and WoW as just are real of a game as DA, they also have a box, a manual, a disk and an entrtainment value. Shows how much you know about games.



Peace out you real gamer.
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