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[LiarasShield]

Yeah the catalyst forced his creators to become the first reaper he rebelled against his creators and his reapers are synthetic and they take over the geth and at least the geth want peace with the quarians the reapers just want to destroy us so that we won't make machines that will destroy us this does not make any sense at all

And Calling people idiots because they have different views or feelings then you is more then messed up you believe the catalyst is right alot of others do not

Modifié par LiarasShield, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:56 .

[Mazebook]

OP...you will have alot of explaining to do with these people...
they are quite stubborn ... and stuck in their way of thinking...don´t expect to make any progress...

good luck...and i agree fully...

[Ice Eyes]

You're right OP but it's not the Catalyst's logic that is the problem. It's this whole deus ex machina, narrative incoherency going on that more befits the post-modern genre.

[o Ventus]

maaaze wrote...

OP...you will have alot of explaining to do with these people...
they are quite stubborn ... and stuck in their way of thinking...don´t expect to make any progress...

good luck...and i agree fully...

He won't make any progress because he's arguing a point that is objectively wrong and illogical.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I was going to make a point about fallacy but Taboo beat me to it. The Catalyst is the definition of the phrase self fulfilling fallacy.

And his research is faulty, he presents his finding as fact based off finding from the experiences of once species, his creators, and their experiences with synthetics. So we only have one group of synthetics and one group of organics to account for this study. This is a very small study group as far as the galaxy is concerned. The only other occurrences of synthetics/organic conflict that we know of for sure was in some way a result of the Reapers and by extension the Catalyst's interference.

Excluding the original Geth-Quarian conflict of course though that resolved itself without either species being wiped out.

So no his thesis is not well research or has it be vetted by anyone other than himself. If he did present his conclusion as resulted solely from his finding he'd be laughed out of the scientific community because he didn't double check his experiment.

Remember those guys a few years ago who discovered how to make cold fusion work? Or the guys who jumped the gun and thought neutrinos moved faster than light? Same deal.

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

OP...you will have alot of explaining to do with these people...
they are quite stubborn ... and stuck in their way of thinking...don´t expect to make any progress...

good luck...and i agree fully...

He won't make any progress because he's arguing a point that is objectively wrong and illogical.

Then he will have to find a new...solution.

Without variables.

Bahahahaha.

[LiarasShield]

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

[o Ventus]

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

[Baronesa]

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

Those who don't require oxygen to live, of course

[ediskrad327]

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

he does....for some reason

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

I don't support him as much as I've learned I've had to learn to live with.

Joker had a quote about this in ME2.

"He's like the kid in Comp Sci who starts fires and you just want to punch him but he's special."

He is absolutely unecessary to the narrative.

[Reorte]

The Catalyst has very little evidence to support its position. It created the Reapers on the evidence of, what, one species having an issue with synthetics? Then it wiped out all others before they could get anywhere near capable of destroying all organic life (which is many orders of magnitude different from destroying a few advanced civilisations - we're talking down to every single microbe), and that's without even addressing the motivation question.

[LiarasShield]

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

Yeah haven't you seen a buch of them already but yes I think we can finally agree on something to me the catalyst destroys the signifigance of the reapers and harbinger and the reapers never need a reason for doing what they do espically if the reason or the telling of that reason is poorly done and honestly I was hopeing more for harbinger being the most advanced reaper leading the reapers or being the catalyst himself instead of star child *Facepalms

Modifié par LiarasShield, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:10 .

[AresKeith]

that brat shatters everything in ME2

[LiarasShield]

This is how I feel about star brat

[Xellith]

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bgroberts wrote...

..snip

He aserts absolubtes.  Absolubtes which cannot be proven at any time without organics already being wiped out by synthetics COMPLETELY at least once.  Which would lead to either 1.  No organics anymore.  Or 2.  The life we currently have arose of the same natural causes that caused life in the first place.

You cannot talk in absolubtes when your "data" you have compiled for a billion years still does not back up your claim because the thing you are ABSOLUBTELY certain will happen has not happened yet.  /facepalm.

If he would have said "we believe that in time organics would be destroyed by synthetics".  THEN his argument might have had at least a LITTLE weight.  His outright assertion is totally bogus.

[Mazebook]

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

i am closing in determining your actual age. 

[o Ventus]

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

i am closing in determining your actual age. 

Be my guest.

Any more pointless information you want to tell me?

[Taboo]

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

i am closing in determining your actual age. 

I have an idea of his actual age and he's shown far more competence in both language and critical thinking than most people on this forum.

[Grimwick]

nhsknudsen wrote...

All I read is "I believe myself above most of you, so my opinion is the one that matters!"

Agreed.

He doesn't have anything new to add in the OP.

This has been discussed before and has shown to not help the SC's appeal to probability.

[essarr71]

Bg.. my biggest gripe with your reasoning is that you claim the Catalyst is the authority on the subject, having dealing with it for a billion years.

The problem is its point of view is just as narrow as Shepard's. In its cycle synthetics eventually concluded that organics had to be removed for their own good. It doesn't mention waiting until the last moment to Reap galaxies after that; its solution is to remove organics well before a Singularity event. We know it claims it tried alternatives to Reaping, but we aren't sure of the hows/whens. It could very well be referencing race 0. Lacking any proof, it could claim anything.

Furthermore, its logic of preserving these races is thrown completely out the airlock. Only races he deems worthy are Reaperized - the rest are discarded or allowed more time to grow before harvesting. This isn't the work of an environmentalist.. he's a farmer, tending to his crops in a daily routine, removing weeds and pests, and cultivating his crop at the best time, making way for the next harvest season.

Between his lack of proof and lack of compassion - even a computer's compassion - I find it difficult to agree with a single word it says.

[Mazebook]

Taboo-XX wrote...

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

i am closing in determining your actual age. 

I have an idea of his actual age and he's shown far more competence in both language and critical thinking than most people on this forum.

as evident in his comment...and they call me delusional......but i have to stop this pointless bickering...it is not productive...i should just ignore these idiotic statements...and move on...see ya.

[Grimwick]

bgroberts wrote...

Arguing anything from Shepard's point-of-view against the Catalyst is committing the type of academic sin that should get you an “R” from any self-respecting professor or instructor. The Catalyst has been at this for 20,000+ cycles for at or above 1 billions years. His sample size and sources are so enormously vast beyond any cycle's experience that Shepard's indication of the Geth or EDI are of no consequence. You are holding up an exception to the aggregate, and also an exception with no guarantees of continuity.

By the way, OP, I'd just like to point out that this is the worst thought argument I have seen for a while.

Are you saying that when the SC actually started his solution he had this evidence? Impossible. His was the first cycle and this doesn't justify his logic in the slightest.

[Grimwick]

maaaze wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

maaaze wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I can easily see this thread becoming a war between catalyst supporters and anti catalyst supporters O-o

StarJar Binks has supporters?

i am closing in determining your actual age. 

I have an idea of his actual age and he's shown far more competence in both language and critical thinking than most people on this forum.

as evident in his comment...and they call me delusional......but i have to stop this pointless bickering...it is not productive...i should just ignore these idiotic statements...and move on...see ya.

You should also stop using ellipses.