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[DirtyPhoenix]

Vigilant111 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

No she doesn't, neither do the Geth. When in London Shepard asks if she is afraid EDI says she doesn't understand the meaning of the question. She still uses words like probability and nonfunctionality. She says "I feel alive" only because she has being given freedom to choose her future, something she doesnt say to renegade shep cuz renshep doesnt grant her such freedom.
 
Feeling alive is not the same thing as being alive, same as feeling dead is not the same as being dead.The Geth, too, reply like AIs (platformprime 3245-reporting to designated allies/shepard.complying.. bla bla bla). Compare it to how other organics reply to you. Hence the Geth and EDI both fail the Turing test. They maybe taking baby steps towards synthesis, but it is nothing like the end product. How many times have you seen EDI smile or hug someone? Or any AI for that matter. The Geth, prior to reaper upgrades, were networked AIs, post-upgrade they are individual AIs like EDI. They are a people. Apart from saying I inplace of We, we see no tangible emotions displayed by the geth. Legion displayed that much emotion in the geth dreadnought or back in ME2.

And EDI loving Joker?? Come on! Does it seem like a normal relationship to you? She "detected" that Joker was attached to her and found it appropriate to reciprocate the feeling. Was it not for Shepard she would have injected him with godknows what chemicals. Some love that is! Renshep can snub her at that point and she accepts that she was not designed for every eventuality.

And as for adopting other's technology for your use, desperate times requires desperate measures. Faced with the choices Shepard had to pick the one which sounded the best to his/her mind, or watch over the death of his cycle. Legion, had he chose not to upload those reaper codes, would have ensured the death of his species. No one does that, except probably those who select Refusal. I had no big problem with such a change of character, happens in long drawn out stories. ME3 teaches us a new thing, that faced with desperate situation, people might act uncharacteristically.

Who are you to dictate what a normal relationship is?

I am sorry but synthetics have better things to do in life than inheriting human weaknesses

Desperate times about WHAT?! we are desperate about the reapers! not some imaginary synthetics in the future that might kill us all!

I was giving my opinion, problem? And who are you to decide what synthetics should do or what human weaknesses are?

Anyways, we are desperate about the reapers. I never said we are desperate about synthetics did I? So if in the said desperate situation Shepard accepts one of the options handed by his enemy he is only being human, and smart. When the alternative is galactic annihilation.

[Vigilant111]

pirate1802 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

No she doesn't, neither do the Geth. When in London Shepard asks if she is afraid EDI says she doesn't understand the meaning of the question. She still uses words like probability and nonfunctionality. She says "I feel alive" only because she has being given freedom to choose her future, something she doesnt say to renegade shep cuz renshep doesnt grant her such freedom.
 
Feeling alive is not the same thing as being alive, same as feeling dead is not the same as being dead.The Geth, too, reply like AIs (platformprime 3245-reporting to designated allies/shepard.complying.. bla bla bla). Compare it to how other organics reply to you. Hence the Geth and EDI both fail the Turing test. They maybe taking baby steps towards synthesis, but it is nothing like the end product. How many times have you seen EDI smile or hug someone? Or any AI for that matter. The Geth, prior to reaper upgrades, were networked AIs, post-upgrade they are individual AIs like EDI. They are a people. Apart from saying I inplace of We, we see no tangible emotions displayed by the geth. Legion displayed that much emotion in the geth dreadnought or back in ME2.

And EDI loving Joker?? Come on! Does it seem like a normal relationship to you? She "detected" that Joker was attached to her and found it appropriate to reciprocate the feeling. Was it not for Shepard she would have injected him with godknows what chemicals. Some love that is! Renshep can snub her at that point and she accepts that she was not designed for every eventuality.

And as for adopting other's technology for your use, desperate times requires desperate measures. Faced with the choices Shepard had to pick the one which sounded the best to his/her mind, or watch over the death of his cycle. Legion, had he chose not to upload those reaper codes, would have ensured the death of his species. No one does that, except probably those who select Refusal. I had no big problem with such a change of character, happens in long drawn out stories. ME3 teaches us a new thing, that faced with desperate situation, people might act uncharacteristically.

Who are you to dictate what a normal relationship is?

I am sorry but synthetics have better things to do in life than inheriting human weaknesses

Desperate times about WHAT?! we are desperate about the reapers! not some imaginary synthetics in the future that might kill us all!

I was giving my opinion, problem? And who are you to decide what synthetics should do or what human weaknesses are?

Anyways, we are desperate about the reapers. I never said we are desperate about synthetics did I? So if in the said desperate situation Shepard accepts one of the options handed by his enemy he is only being human, and smart. When the alternative is galactic annihilation.

Damn it, I knew you were gonna say that, I took that sentence out at the same time u posted

Hmm? are we talking about refuse now? I don't know what refuse is about:huh:...so I guess there was misunderstandong along the way, I apologize

Modifié par Vigilant111, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:57 .

[Grimwick]

pirate1802 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

No she doesn't, neither do the Geth. When in London Shepard asks if she is afraid EDI says she doesn't understand the meaning of the question. She still uses words like probability and nonfunctionality. She says "I feel alive" only because she has being given freedom to choose her future, something she doesnt say to renegade shep cuz renshep doesnt grant her such freedom.
 
Feeling alive is not the same thing as being alive, same as feeling dead is not the same as being dead.The Geth, too, reply like AIs (platformprime 3245-reporting to designated allies/shepard.complying.. bla bla bla). Compare it to how other organics reply to you. Hence the Geth and EDI both fail the Turing test. They maybe taking baby steps towards synthesis, but it is nothing like the end product. How many times have you seen EDI smile or hug someone? Or any AI for that matter. The Geth, prior to reaper upgrades, were networked AIs, post-upgrade they are individual AIs like EDI. They are a people. Apart from saying I inplace of We, we see no tangible emotions displayed by the geth. Legion displayed that much emotion in the geth dreadnought or back in ME2.

And EDI loving Joker?? Come on! Does it seem like a normal relationship to you? She "detected" that Joker was attached to her and found it appropriate to reciprocate the feeling. Was it not for Shepard she would have injected him with godknows what chemicals. Some love that is! Renshep can snub her at that point and she accepts that she was not designed for every eventuality.

And as for adopting other's technology for your use, desperate times requires desperate measures. Faced with the choices Shepard had to pick the one which sounded the best to his/her mind, or watch over the death of his cycle. Legion, had he chose not to upload those reaper codes, would have ensured the death of his species. No one does that, except probably those who select Refusal. I had no big problem with such a change of character, happens in long drawn out stories. ME3 teaches us a new thing, that faced with desperate situation, people might act uncharacteristically.

Who are you to dictate what a normal relationship is?

I am sorry but synthetics have better things to do in life than inheriting human weaknesses

Wrong. that is the most stupid decision you could possibly makeDesperate times about WHAT?! we are desperate about the reapers! not some imaginary synthetics in the future that might kill us all!

I was giving my opinion, problem? And who are you to decide what synthetics should do or what human weaknesses are?

Anyways, we are desperate about the reapers. I never said we are desperate about synthetics did I? So if in the said desperate situation Shepard accepts one of the options handed by his enemy he is only being human, and smart. When the alternative is galactic annihilation.

Wrong. That is the most stupid decision you could possibly make. Trusting your enemy?

And don't try to use metaevidence to support your choice. That is a seriously fallacious argument.

[Cypher_CS]

It's not about trusting your enemy, it's about knowing your enemy. Understanding your enemy.

Sun Tzu.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Cypher_CS wrote...

It's not about trusting your enemy, it's about knowing your enemy. Understanding your enemy.

Sun Tzu.

I'll settle for destroying my enemy.

[Vigilant111]

Cypher_CS wrote...

It's not about trusting your enemy, it's about knowing your enemy. Understanding your enemy.

Sun Tzu.

But you cannot understand it! u cannot know it! get it?

Its funny the reapers already lost the war cos they failed to convince the galaxy that it would be defeated by them, first doctrine in Art of War

Yes, and now u say the reapers are not concerned about winning, which in turn makes the Catalyst NOT your enemy, it is now your friend

Modifié par Vigilant111, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:08 .

[b1n0ry]

There's no reason to believe (1) that the Catalyst came up with its solution based on just one cycle; (2) that its creators were the first organics ever; or (3) that the creators may be the first organics to face a techno-singular synthetic race. It's possible its creators have seen countless destruction of organic races before them by the hands of synthetic races. Hell, they could've been battling organic-hungry synthetics from 1000s of years ago. It's possible that the creators took this data into account during the Catalyst's creation. It's also possible that the Catalyst experimented with other solutions after using its first solution--which was to preserve its creators. If you think about it, the Catalyst had a billion years to experiment, so it's probable that it observed organic races, noted how they evolved, and what they created. The outcome was that they all spiraled out of control and gave rise to techno-singular, organic-consuming machines. That is why it imposed order by creating the Citadel, mass relays, etc. After confirming its suspicion, it immediately intervened, cleaned up the mess, and continued on with its original solution.

You may be wondering why create an AI to combat an AI? Well, at the time, it was the only thing that could transcend time and mortality.

Modifié par kRaYzi3, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:16 .