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[JudeDismas]

 I was thinking about the Mafe/Templar conflict and I had this really strange idea that might fix it. What if we made Tranquil Mages Templars.Think about it, one of the primary problems with the current Templar order is that their recruits are primarily devout andrastians with gigantic anti-Mage biases. Using Tranquil Mages fixes this problem: Tranquil Mages are free from biases and emotions like greed and pride that cause non-Tranquil to comit horrible acts, and they do exactly what their told. All you need a Mage sympathizing Chantry mother ( I'm sure at least a handful must exist) to give these Tranquil orders and you end up with a much cleaner, much more effcient, and much less hateful order of Templars.

[caradoc2000]

Mages are hardly soldiers which is what templars are expected to be. Also, I think templars are supposed to be a bit more shall we say independent with their thinking.

[dragonflight288]

Alistair: I enjoyed the training, and also the discipline. You need a disciplined mind to use templar abilities.

While it's true that tranquil have unparalleled concentration as they do not have the emotions to get distracted, we honestly don't know how the templar abilities work. Alistair was able to use them without taking his vows (and so he never ingest lyrium. It has been said that lyrium is a must, but I can't ignore something already in the game) and he outright said that lyrium supposedly only amplifies the abilities.

But do you need certain emotions to use them? If you do than a tranquil cannot be a templar.

Want to know something else that templars and mages have in common? A connection to the Fade. All beings who aren't dwarves are connected to the Fade. Spirit warriors are regular blokes who make contact with a Fade Spirit and gain almost magical powers themselves. But that too requires a connection to the fade. Add in that all the templar abilities are pretty much lesser versions of the spells found in the school of spirit...

I think it's safe to say the templars also use magic themselves, but refuse to call it that.

[Daerog]

Well, it does come down to the Fade, which lyrium is a physical manifestation of, supposedly.

Fenris has lyrium all over him, he can explode spirit damage on people, not sure you would tell him he's like a mage, though. I wonder if Fenris' tattooes will be used again down the road.

Anyway, tranquil templars. Can't really see it happening, and I would think they wouldn't react well in the Harrowing Chamber.

[dragonflight288]

In my opinion, tranquility used as a punishment, should only be used in the absolute worst crimes. Using blood magic to control someone against their will, illegally tranquilizing mages, mass murder, or rape. If someone wants to volunteer to be tranquil, whether to avoid the Harrowing OR because they're afraid they may get possessed and don't want to take a chance, that's a completely different issue. Volunteering for something isn't the same as having it forced on you.

[Daerog]

Is it even possible for a non mage to be made tranquil? If a lot of lyrium is used, it might just end up killing a non mage.

I should really read Asunder, keep hearing that tranquility is talked about.

[dragonflight288]

Is it even possible for a non mage to be made tranquil? If a lot of lyrium is used, it might just end up killing a non mage.

I should really read Asunder, keep hearing that tranquility is talked about.

To hear it talked about in the game, tranquility is severing a person's connection to the Fade. Thing is, everyone, mage or otherwise, is connected to the Fade. Everyone goes there every night in their sleep. Dwarves are the only ones not connected to the Fade.

[Urzon]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Is it even possible for a non mage to be made tranquil? If a lot of lyrium is used, it might just end up killing a non mage.

I should really read Asunder, keep hearing that tranquility is talked about.

We can only assume so. Tranquility only cuts off a person's connection to the Fade. We all see it happen to mages however to cut off their magically ability. I sure it could be done to non-mages as well to cut their connection. Though, i wonder if the effect differs slighty, since mages have a stronger connection to the Fade.

There has been a case where a person has been born tranquil. Eiton from Dragon Age Legends.

[mad825]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Sandal is a dwarf, who have no connection to the Fade, but he is like a Tranquil

dwarf can make enchantment, not only mages, and the fact is mages learn to make enchantment from dwarves, making enchantment need a lot of lyrium

Tranquil? Tranquils are apathetic in nature (I.e have no passion, soul). Sandal like a high functioning autistic kid to put it bluntly. Maybe Sandel survived the the Rite of Tranquility.

With the topic on hand, Tranquils are emotionless therefore they remain in a logical, passive and objective state. There's better luck in asking them to woo. Even psychopaths have emotions.

Modifié par mad825, 13 juillet 2012 - 02:03 .

[dragonflight288]

Sadal is a half-dwarf. He's the closest a dwarf comes to being a mage. Isn't quite right in the head, but a lot of fun to be around.

[Gervaise]

A tranquil templar might be even more frightening than an ordinary one. The tranquil generally have no motivation of their own but when given a motivation, as in an order from someone they consider a superior, they are very focussed (obsessive) in their drive to complete their mission. Pharamond was totally focussed on his experiment to reverse tranquility and this overrode any possible danger to the settlement he was in. He may have warned the other inhabitants of the danger but he had no sense of apprehension or fear himself to temper his ac tions.
Ordinary templars can be sadistic bastards but they can also be sympathetic, noble individuals who try to do what is best for everyone and may even exercise their own judgement if they consider a mage would pose no real threat if left free (Templars Carver allowing Malcolm Hawke his freedom). So far as the templar hierarchy is concerned an effective templar should leave emotion out of their decisions but even they might feel that an individual devoid of emotion might create more problems than they solve. After all if the prime directive is to capture/kill an apostate mage, might not the tranquil templar be rather too ruthless in carrying out their orders, killing anyone who appeared to get in the way?

[Lazy Jer]

Tranquil mages can't cast spells anymore. They wouldn't be very usefull.

[dragonflight288]

Gervaise wrote...

A tranquil templar might be even more frightening than an ordinary one. The tranquil generally have no motivation of their own but when given a motivation, as in an order from someone they consider a superior, they are very focussed (obsessive) in their drive to complete their mission. Pharamond was totally focussed on his experiment to reverse tranquility and this overrode any possible danger to the settlement he was in. He may have warned the other inhabitants of the danger but he had no sense of apprehension or fear himself to temper his ac tions.
Ordinary templars can be sadistic bastards but they can also be sympathetic, noble individuals who try to do what is best for everyone and may even exercise their own judgement if they consider a mage would pose no real threat if left free (Templars Carver allowing Malcolm Hawke his freedom). So far as the templar hierarchy is concerned an effective templar should leave emotion out of their decisions but even they might feel that an individual devoid of emotion might create more problems than they solve. After all if the prime directive is to capture/kill an apostate mage, might not the tranquil templar be rather too ruthless in carrying out their orders, killing anyone who appeared to get in the way?

But if you give a tranquil templar an order not to harm anyone not directly involved with the mage criminal in question, and to follow the laws the Chantry keep, protect mages from the world, and protect the world from mages, no illegal tranquilizations, no killing apprentices who run away, and you'll have an ideal templar who is obsessive about doing their job properly.

[MisterJB]

Acting solely on logic can lead people to scary places.
Do you recall the Tranquil who tought it best if Alrik's solution had been implanted because that way, all mages would be at peace?

[dragonflight288]

Yeah. I was mostly being sarcastic. Maybe I should've added an emoticon to show it. I also remember VAL in Space Odyssey who, acting strictly through logic, decided the entire crew on the spaceship needed to die.

[ShadowLordXII]

Here's an idea, how about the possibility of templars being made tranquil if they overstep their bounds?

[dragonflight288]

I've suggested that. Some people shot that idea down saying we don't know if templars can be made tranquil the way mages can.

[Fallstar]

The rite of tranquility severs your bond to the fade.

In all non dwarves, this bond to the fade is where your emotions come from. So anyone's bond to the fade can be severed, and anyone can be made tranquil.

Since that same bond to the fade is where mages derive their mana from, it just so happens that by removing someone's personality you also prevent them from using magic.

So it could happen to a non mage (eg a Templar), there's just no real reason for it to have happened yet.