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[BennyHartless]

I could really care less about achievement glitches.

[Taiko Roshi]

So let me get this straight they are holding back the DLC for the patch? What does the DLC have to do with patching the game? I'm not getting this DLC, all I want is a ****ing patch to fix the game how hard can it be. Even Borderlands has been patched three times since release FFS!!!!

[BennyHartless]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

So let me get this straight they are holding back the DLC for the patch? What does the DLC have to do with patching the game? I'm not getting this DLC, all I want is a ****ing patch to fix the game how hard can it be. Even Borderlands has been patched three times since release FFS!!!!

You're leaving out the part where you're probably going to have to buy the dlc to get the patch.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Heartlocker wrote...

Buy a DLC to get a patch. They are idiots, thinking there aren't many games pushed out the end of the year as well. Don't patch, keep the game broken and hide the patch in the DLC. I just move on.

Plenty of games to play and plenty to come 2010 spring.

Goodbye BioWare & EA. ;3

They actually hid a patch that gets rid of the Dog companion from having warrior skills in the Warden's Keep DLC.

(Something PC players complained about. That console players get extra talents on dog)

So instead of putting a patch in that fixes bugs, they hid a nerf inside a DLC.

Methinks they don't like console players much.

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 20 décembre 2009 - 04:52 .

[Crimzon Nutcase]

For one you more than likely DO NOT need to buy the DLC to get the patch case in point, Fallout 3. You didn't have to buy DLC to get a patch, it was auto-updated. Second, you wanna **** about a long development time or response time? Move on over to the Ubisoft Rainbow Six Vegas 2 boards, and enjoy whatever if any response you get from Ubi. Also for those complaining about storage and referencing to Oblivion, 100% different company. However, what does it matter about the nationality of the companies? NOTHING, because money is the language and enforcer. One last thing, they said that it would take longer for cert from sony/microsoft if they were to release it as a normal patch which is why they're releasing it along with the release of the DLC so that it has a shorter cert time. Wanna make it go faster? Get off your ass, go to college get a degree and then get a job there if they want your whiny ass.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

For one you more than likely DO NOT need to buy the DLC to get the patch case in point, Fallout 3. You didn't have to buy DLC to get a patch, it was auto-updated. Second, you wanna **** about a long development time or response time? Move on over to the Ubisoft Rainbow Six Vegas 2 boards, and enjoy whatever if any response you get from Ubi. Also for those complaining about storage and referencing to Oblivion, 100% different company. However, what does it matter about the nationality of the companies? NOTHING, because money is the language and enforcer. One last thing, they said that it would take longer for cert from sony/microsoft if they were to release it as a normal patch which is why they're releasing it along with the release of the DLC so that it has a shorter cert time. Wanna make it go faster? Get off your ass, go to college get a degree and then get a job there if they want your whiny ass.

When a consumer, especially a console consumer, buys a product he assumes that his game will work perfectly well and be QA tested well enough to get rid of the majority of bugs, especially game-breaking bugs.

Maybe I've been spoiled by Blizzard games and think that companies can actually do this and make really good money.

And I've already been to college, got my degree and I'm not working in the game making industry, but if I did I'd probably try to work for Blizzard, seeing as they actually release games that are very well tested.

Why should a consumer be forced to pay for a patch if he doesn't want the extra content that comes with it? The game shouldn't have been broken to begin with unless it's some kind of ploy by EA to extort more money out of us if we want a game that isn't broken.

Oh and learn to press enter more often, easier to read Mr.CollegeGraduate.

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 20 décembre 2009 - 05:12 .

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Nokturnal Lex wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

For one you more than likely DO NOT need to buy the DLC to get the patch case in point, Fallout 3. You didn't have to buy DLC to get a patch, it was auto-updated. Second, you wanna **** about a long development time or response time? Move on over to the Ubisoft Rainbow Six Vegas 2 boards, and enjoy whatever if any response you get from Ubi. Also for those complaining about storage and referencing to Oblivion, 100% different company. However, what does it matter about the nationality of the companies? NOTHING, because money is the language and enforcer. One last thing, they said that it would take longer for cert from sony/microsoft if they were to release it as a normal patch which is why they're releasing it along with the release of the DLC so that it has a shorter cert time. Wanna make it go faster? Get off your ass, go to college get a degree and then get a job there if they want your whiny ass.

When a consumer, especially a console consumer, buys a product he assumes that his game will work perfectly well and be QA tested well enough to get rid of the majority of bugs, especially game-breaking bugs.

Maybe I've been spoiled by Blizzard games and think that companies can actually do this and make really good money.

And I've already been to college, got my degree and I'm not working in the game making industry, but if I did I'd probably try to work for Blizzard, seeing as they actually release games that are very well tested.

Why should a consumer be forced to pay for a patch if he doesn't want the extra content that comes with it? The game shouldn't have been broken to begin with unless it's some kind of ploy by EA to extort more money out of us if we want a game that isn't broken.

Oh and learn to press enter more often, easier to read Mr.CollegeGraduate.

For one it's been said multiple times, you do not need to purchase the DLC to get the patch as microsoft allows the patch to instantly update after it's added to the server. You have to wait however until Ostagar is released as the patch is available the same day. Before you ask for the source I have lost the link, but if I find it again I'll post it.

Here is this enough space for you? Or would you rather me just throw you into a black hole so you have the most space ever? I never said I was a college graduate, you took what I said incorrectly. I said that if you wanted the patch build to be sped up that you should go to college for a degree in game design. That way you knew the complexities that the company is working with. It's not like FPS games where it's a quick fix. You have trial and error with this, sometimes when you fix something it makes it worse, or creates other flaws that are even more complicated to repair. 

Also Lex I did not aim this towards you it was mainly aimed at the OP and the other consistant whiners. As I also agree with some of your other posts, such as how I'd hate for Bioware to punish us because of Grog's post. But that's why they have Forum Admins, because they aren't the designers they're just enforcers of the rules and regs on the chatter board.

[Cuthlan]

Nokturnal Lex wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

For one you more than likely DO NOT need to buy the DLC to get the patch case in point, Fallout 3. You didn't have to buy DLC to get a patch, it was auto-updated. Second, you wanna **** about a long development time or response time? Move on over to the Ubisoft Rainbow Six Vegas 2 boards, and enjoy whatever if any response you get from Ubi. Also for those complaining about storage and referencing to Oblivion, 100% different company. However, what does it matter about the nationality of the companies? NOTHING, because money is the language and enforcer. One last thing, they said that it would take longer for cert from sony/microsoft if they were to release it as a normal patch which is why they're releasing it along with the release of the DLC so that it has a shorter cert time. Wanna make it go faster? Get off your ass, go to college get a degree and then get a job there if they want your whiny ass.

When a consumer, especially a console consumer, buys a product he assumes that his game will work perfectly well and be QA tested well enough to get rid of the majority of bugs, especially game-breaking bugs.

Maybe I've been spoiled by Blizzard games and think that companies can actually do this and make really good money.

And I've already been to college, got my degree and I'm not working in the game making industry, but if I did I'd probably try to work for Blizzard, seeing as they actually release games that are very well tested.

Why should a consumer be forced to pay for a patch if he doesn't want the extra content that comes with it? The game shouldn't have been broken to begin with unless it's some kind of ploy by EA to extort more money out of us if we want a game that isn't broken.

Oh and learn to press enter more often, easier to read Mr.CollegeGraduate.

Waaaait a second. Did you just say Blizzard games haven't had game-breaking bugs? That their QA track record is better than Bioware's?

Somehow "lol" just doesn't seem to fully encompass how hilarious that thought is.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Lemme guess you're referring to WoW.

That's an MMO find me an MMO without bugs and problems and I'll give ya a prize.

Starcraft, Warcraft 3, Warcraft 2, Diablo 1 and 2 were all well tested. Playing single player had no game-breaking bugs or problems for what I can remember and everything was a lot better balanced then in DA:O.

As far as cheating goes in those games though, that would be the player bases problem.

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 20 décembre 2009 - 06:28 .

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Nokturnal Lex wrote...

Lemme guess you're referring to WoW.

That's an MMO find me an MMO without bugs and problems and I'll give ya a prize.

Starcraft, Warcraft 3, Warcraft 2, Diablo 1 and 2 were all well tested. Playing single player had no game-breaking bugs or problems for what I can remember and everything was a lot better balanced then in DA:O.

As far as cheating goes in those games though, that would be the player bases problem.

These games were also based on already well established engines that they knew the ins and outs of. Sadly though you didn't respond to my last post. That saddens me. 

[Cuthlan]

Actually, I wasn't refering to WoW. I was refering to the Diablo series as it is the Blizzard game I've played the most (and I played the crap out of both). There were a LOT of bugs in both games, from crash bugs to multiple minor bugs that could be exploited. Google up the old school patch notes if you can't remember them.



I enjoyed both games thoroughly, but I haven't forgotten the bugs.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

These games were also based on already well established engines that they knew the ins and outs of. Sadly though you didn't respond to my last post. That saddens me. 

My bad I didn't see your post, was replying to the guy dissing Blizzard, and yea I hate WoW played it till I figured out the only challenging part of the game was finding enough players who weren't morons so you could do the "actually" easy end-game fights.

Anyway, yea i already read that they'd release the patch prior to the Return to Ostigar DLC but I was basically saying if they did do something like make you buy the DLC to get a patch it'd be EA trying to milk us for our money.

Still though, there has been no response from anyone on fixes for the 360 the only thing that has been stated is fixing the Achievements (Which i couldn't give 2 ****s less about) and I can't believe they hid a nerf in the Warden's Keep DLC but they didn't fix a damn thing.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Cuthlan wrote...

Actually, I wasn't refering to WoW. I was refering to the Diablo series as it is the Blizzard game I've played the most (and I played the crap out of both). There were a LOT of bugs in both games, from crash bugs to multiple minor bugs that could be exploited. Google up the old school patch notes if you can't remember them.

I enjoyed both games thoroughly, but I haven't forgotten the bugs.

I myself preferred Starcraft and Warcraft (minus WoW) series to the diablo series, required more strategy and custom maps allowed users to create any game they wanted. (Been so long since I've played the Diablo series, if I ever tried to play Diablo 2 again i'd die of boredom seeing as I've played every class + spec I can think of)

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 20 décembre 2009 - 06:40 .

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Nokturnal Lex wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

These games were also based on already well established engines that they knew the ins and outs of. Sadly though you didn't respond to my last post. That saddens me. 

My bad I didn't see your post, was replying to the guy dissing Blizzard, and yea I hate WoW played it till I figured out the only challenging part of the game was finding enough players who weren't morons so you could do the "actually" easy end-game fights.

Anyway, yea i already read that they'd release the patch prior to the Return to Ostigar DLC but I was basically saying if they did do something like make you buy the DLC to get a patch it'd be EA trying to milk us for our money.

Still though, there has been no response from anyone on fixes for the 360 the only thing that has been stated is fixing the Achievements (Which i couldn't give 2 ****s less about) and I can't believe they hid a nerf in the Warden's Keep DLC but they didn't fix a damn thing.

Oh well yeah if they made you purchase the dlc just for a freakin patch then yeah it would be bull cookies, but never the less I'm buying the DLC, lol. I haven't finished the game because I wanna do all that I can before hand. I was one of the victims of the Achievement glitch, but I've already been rest assured my nerd credits will be awarded back to me. There are more than just the Achievements being fixed, and they announced it in another post but I can't find it for the life of me. As far as WoW, I'm a guild wars kinda guy.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

Oh well yeah if they made you purchase the dlc just for a freakin patch then yeah it would be bull cookies, but never the less I'm buying the DLC, lol. I haven't finished the game because I wanna do all that I can before hand. I was one of the victims of the Achievement glitch, but I've already been rest assured my nerd credits will be awarded back to me. There are more than just the Achievements being fixed, and they announced it in another post but I can't find it for the life of me. As far as WoW, I'm a guild wars kinda guy.

I've been checking Bioware posts for awhile now and haven't seen any thing stated other then fixing achievements. If ya could find something else stated that would be great. And yea Guild Wars was awesome for the time I played it, but I beat it twice when it first came out and got bored (since it was basically a wierd kinda single player MMO) and stopped playing before even the first expansion hit. Was one of the first Me/Mo's on my server and loved it.

Another feature I loved in GW was recruiting NPCs into your party to fill roles so you didn't have to rely on players being online or rely on players not to be morons. Sure they lacked really good AI but they got the job done for the most part.

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 20 décembre 2009 - 06:48 .

[Cuthlan]

Nokturnal Lex wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Actually, I wasn't refering to WoW. I was refering to the Diablo series as it is the Blizzard game I've played the most (and I played the crap out of both). There were a LOT of bugs in both games, from crash bugs to multiple minor bugs that could be exploited. Google up the old school patch notes if you can't remember them.

I enjoyed both games thoroughly, but I haven't forgotten the bugs.

I myself preferred Starcraft and Warcraft (minus WoW) series to the diablo series, required more strategy and custom maps allowed users to create any game they wanted. (Been so long since I've played the Diablo series, if I ever tried to play Diablo 2 again i'd die of boredom seeing as I've played every class + spec I can think of)

I have to wonder if it isn't a problem that has more to do with the times than it does with companies. When the Starcraft and Diablo games were coming out, Bioware was putting out the Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale games. Now, none of them were flawless and all had patches/updates... but they were of a similar, fairly high quality at release.

Now Blizzard is no longer the Blizzard North of old, and Bioware is a part of the EA empire. Is that the reason their games are more bug-ridden now? Or is it because game engines are more complicated than ever and there are so many more variables to try to anticipate that it makes it a lot harder to catch everything in testing? Or are we wearing the proverbial rose-colored glasses when we think about those older games, not remembering just how buggy they were?

I think it's probably a fair mix of all three.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Nokturnal Lex wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

Oh well yeah if they made you purchase the dlc just for a freakin patch then yeah it would be bull cookies, but never the less I'm buying the DLC, lol. I haven't finished the game because I wanna do all that I can before hand. I was one of the victims of the Achievement glitch, but I've already been rest assured my nerd credits will be awarded back to me. There are more than just the Achievements being fixed, and they announced it in another post but I can't find it for the life of me. As far as WoW, I'm a guild wars kinda guy.

I've been checking Bioware posts for awhile now and haven't seen any thing stated other then fixing achievements. If ya could find something else stated that would be great. And yea Guild Wars was awesome for the time I played it, but I beat it twice when it first came out and got bored (since it was basically a wierd kinda single player MMO) and stopped playing before even the first expansion hit. Was one of the first Me/Mo's on my server and loved it.

Another feature I loved in GW was recruiting NPCs into your party to fill roles so you didn't have to rely on players being online or rely on players not to be morons. Sure they lacked really good AI but they got the job done for the most part.

They've made an amazing leap in AI intelligence since the game first released. Now you have Hero henchmen that you can order around and choose the skills and stats for. You can also equip any weapons/offhands you want, and inscribe their armor with whatever runes you want. Eh ehmm enough about that nerdism, lol. If I find that link again which I've been going rampant about, I'll make sure to post it. I'm eagerly awaiting ME2 more than any other game right now, though Splinter Cell: Conviction is really tasty.

[ibender]

I am going to use my first post on this forum to state that the author of the first post in this thread is an idiot.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Cuthlan wrote...

Nokturnal Lex wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Actually, I wasn't refering to WoW. I was refering to the Diablo series as it is the Blizzard game I've played the most (and I played the crap out of both). There were a LOT of bugs in both games, from crash bugs to multiple minor bugs that could be exploited. Google up the old school patch notes if you can't remember them.

I enjoyed both games thoroughly, but I haven't forgotten the bugs.

I myself preferred Starcraft and Warcraft (minus WoW) series to the diablo series, required more strategy and custom maps allowed users to create any game they wanted. (Been so long since I've played the Diablo series, if I ever tried to play Diablo 2 again i'd die of boredom seeing as I've played every class + spec I can think of)

I have to wonder if it isn't a problem that has more to do with the times than it does with companies. When the Starcraft and Diablo games were coming out, Bioware was putting out the Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale games. Now, none of them were flawless and all had patches/updates... but they were of a similar, fairly high quality at release.

Now Blizzard is no longer the Blizzard North of old, and Bioware is a part of the EA empire. Is that the reason their games are more bug-ridden now? Or is it because game engines are more complicated than ever and there are so many more variables to try to anticipate that it makes it a lot harder to catch everything in testing? Or are we wearing the proverbial rose-colored glasses when we think about those older games, not remembering just how buggy they were?

I think it's probably a fair mix of all three.

You can test and test and test, but the bugs might not show up until you release it to the masses. When you get millions of people playing compared to the few thousand that might alpha or beta test the game, bugs tend to surface. In the gaming realm you have to be calm and wait for things. It's a difficult and technological world full of annoyances.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Cuthlan wrote...

I have to wonder if it isn't a problem that has more to do with the times than it does with companies. When the Starcraft and Diablo games were coming out, Bioware was putting out the Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale games. Now, none of them were flawless and all had patches/updates... but they were of a similar, fairly high quality at release.

Now Blizzard is no longer the Blizzard North of old, and Bioware is a part of the EA empire. Is that the reason their games are more bug-ridden now? Or is it because game engines are more complicated than ever and there are so many more variables to try to anticipate that it makes it a lot harder to catch everything in testing?.

See I wouldn't be so pissed if I didn't find so many bugs on 1 playthrough, it seems EA forced it out the door so quick they barely fixed any bugs before it was shipped. I mean c'mon the dex dagger problem? Any tester who wore a dagger would've figured that one out.

Sure I'm mad at Bioware for releasing a broken game but I'm pretty sure it's EA's fault.

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 20 décembre 2009 - 06:59 .

[Freezer Burn]

I think im being flooded by all the tears people are shedding because it does not come up to par with their standards. I enjoyed this game very much, and am on my third playthrough at about 100Hrs. Game rocks, IMO it is 100% more enjoyable then Mass Effect ever was. Hell I never even wanted to finish Mass Effect...( Oh ya, **** happens people. Bugs happen, companies try to avoid them, BUT THEY STILL HAPPEN. *Caps for Emphasis* )

[Gracchio]

Nokturnal Lex wrote...

Heartlocker wrote...

Buy a DLC to get a patch. They are idiots, thinking there aren't many games pushed out the end of the year as well. Don't patch, keep the game broken and hide the patch in the DLC. I just move on.

Plenty of games to play and plenty to come 2010 spring.

Goodbye BioWare & EA. ;3

They actually hid a patch that gets rid of the Dog companion from having warrior skills in the Warden's Keep DLC.

(Something PC players complained about. That console players get extra talents on dog)

So instead of putting a patch in that fixes bugs, they hid a nerf inside a DLC.

Methinks they don't like console players much.

Oh yeah, precise striking and less fatigue when wearing heavy armor I had a good laugh.

[Vengence z]

I look at it this way, I spent money on a game that i expect to work. I earn the money i spend on games. I don't have anyone buy them for me.



When I bought my car i expected it to run, not to break down on me the first time i drive it 10 miles, 25,000 miles later no problems. ( Just using auto industry for example know it's not the same thing as gaming).



My point is when i buy something new and spend my hard earned money on it i expect it to work.