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[Tealjaker94]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

By picking Synthesis, you agree with the Reapers' notion that the coexistence of synthetics and organics is impractical or impossible. By picking Control, you save the Reapers... By choosing Refuse, you accept the Reapers fate for you...

Fixed that for you. 

[Volc19]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

You every watch Doctor Who? Well, once we travel out of our galaxy and find new life while Synthesized, we basically become the Cybermen.

By picking Synthesis, you agree with the Reapers' notion that diversity ends up causing a cataclysm of untold proprtions. The new life won't be synthesized, and are therefore a ticking time bomb. I know the Reapers won't be having it, they still have their old goal in their minds. So, either the Reapers start reaping the new life, or you need to build a new Crucible to force Synthesis on them. Delete or Upgrade. We become the green scourge of the Universe.

By picking Destroy, you agree with the Reapers' notion that the coexistence of synthetics and organics is impractical or impossible. By picking Control, you save the Reapers... By choosing Refuse, you accept the Reapers fate for you...

I don't see how Synthesis is any worse than what I just described above.

Destroy goes against the Catalyst's logic, still preserving Synthetics' right to exist in the future by removing the culling of the Reapers.

Control saves the Reapers, but it bends them to Shepard's will. So the Reapers survive (just like in Synthesis, which is wierd because you seem to be defending it, yet you use the same detail as a negative point for Control), yet they are assisting the species of our Galaxy.

Refuse is only feuled by a distain for teh Reapers. No one goes in to refuse thinking "Alright, Reapers, just kill us."

Synthesis turns us into monsters who plauge the Galaxy, Synthesizing or killing all life in their path. Synthesis is much worse.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The thing is that you may pick destroy or control with very high EMS and everything gets rebuilt. Then in about 300 to 500 yrs, which is about the time frame I think will pass before any sequel in the Mass Effect series, technology will, in all likelihood, have developed enough to where a degree of synthesis has been reached anyway, but this is not an everything is the same linked DNA like in the synthesis ending. This is a voluntary thing. People may have cybernetic augments allowing them to network with each other and with machines.

Remember from that point of time onward, their tech is no longer following the paths the reapers desired, but the end results would be indistinguishable except in the animal and plant world.

Synthesis is inevitable. It's just a matter of how it's done.

You would not want my particular Commander Shepard taking the Control ending. She would lead an army that none dare oppose.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 13 juillet 2012 - 04:54 .

[Baa Baa]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The thing is that you may pick destroy or control with very high EMS and everything gets rebuilt. Then in about 300 to 500 yrs, which is about the time frame I think will pass before any sequel in the Mass Effect series, technology will, in all likelihood, have developed enough to where a degree of synthesis has been reached anyway, but this is not an everything is the same linked DNA like in the synthesis ending. This is a voluntary thing. People may have cybernetic augments allowing them to network with each other and with machines.

Remember from that point of time onward, their tech is no longer following the paths the reapers desired, but the end results would be indistinguishable except in the animal and plant world.

Synthesis is inevitable. It's just a matter of how it's done.

You would not want my particular Commander Shepard taking the Control ending.

Then Adam Jensen will come around and ban the use of augmentations, HAPPY ENDING
And you know if Synthesis would ever truely be reached it would suddenly become a trend to just buy augmentations, then right when they're installed say, "I never asked for this.." just for the ****s and giggles.

Modifié par Baa Baa, 13 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .

[Plasma Prestige]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Plasma Prestige wrote...

By picking Synthesis, you agree with the Reapers' notion that the coexistence of synthetics and organics is impractical or impossible. By picking Control, you save the Reapers... By choosing Refuse, you accept the Reapers fate for you...

Fixed that for you. 

If you're not going to defend yourself against valid criticism, then why argue at all? It is indisputable that Destroy goes along with the Reaper's notions just as much as Synthesis does. I never claimed Synthesis doesn't, but pointing it out is entirely irrelevant because every ending goes with the Reaper's notions, except Refusal.

[Plasma Prestige]

Volc19 wrote...

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

You every watch Doctor Who? Well, once we travel out of our galaxy and find new life while Synthesized, we basically become the Cybermen.

By picking Synthesis, you agree with the Reapers' notion that diversity ends up causing a cataclysm of untold proprtions. The new life won't be synthesized, and are therefore a ticking time bomb. I know the Reapers won't be having it, they still have their old goal in their minds. So, either the Reapers start reaping the new life, or you need to build a new Crucible to force Synthesis on them. Delete or Upgrade. We become the green scourge of the Universe.

By picking Destroy, you agree with the Reapers' notion that the coexistence of synthetics and organics is impractical or impossible. By picking Control, you save the Reapers... By choosing Refuse, you accept the Reapers fate for you...

I don't see how Synthesis is any worse than what I just described above.

Destroy goes against the Catalyst's logic, still preserving Synthetics' right to exist in the future by removing the culling of the Reapers.

Control saves the Reapers, but it bends them to Shepard's will. So the Reapers survive (just like in Synthesis, which is wierd because you seem to be defending it, yet you use the same detail as a negative point for Control), yet they are assisting the species of our Galaxy.

Refuse is only feuled by a distain for teh Reapers. No one goes in to refuse thinking "Alright, Reapers, just kill us."

Synthesis turns us into monsters who plauge the Galaxy, Synthesizing or killing all life in their path. Synthesis is much worse.

How does Synthesis turn us into "monsters"? Don't interject your biases in such a way to distort the facts. It is pretty clear that from EDI's narration that the galaxy is much better off with synthesis. 

Your justification for control is foolish. Do you honestly think Shepard was special? The Reapers probably told TIM he was special too, and even TIM said that he wanted to control the Reapers to protect humanity, but that's not how it ended, was it?

You do make a good point about Destroy, so I will give you that. However, I think the Catalyst's logic is sound. The fact that there is peace doesn't mean there won't be conflict, potentially species-threatening conflict due to a technological singularity. While the Reapers are a bad solution, no solution is also a bad solution.

[Volc19]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

You every watch Doctor Who? Well, once we travel out of our galaxy and find new life while Synthesized, we basically become the Cybermen.

By picking Synthesis, you agree with the Reapers' notion that diversity ends up causing a cataclysm of untold proprtions. The new life won't be synthesized, and are therefore a ticking time bomb. I know the Reapers won't be having it, they still have their old goal in their minds. So, either the Reapers start reaping the new life, or you need to build a new Crucible to force Synthesis on them. Delete or Upgrade. We become the green scourge of the Universe.

By picking Destroy, you agree with the Reapers' notion that the coexistence of synthetics and organics is impractical or impossible. By picking Control, you save the Reapers... By choosing Refuse, you accept the Reapers fate for you...

I don't see how Synthesis is any worse than what I just described above.

Destroy goes against the Catalyst's logic, still preserving Synthetics' right to exist in the future by removing the culling of the Reapers.

Control saves the Reapers, but it bends them to Shepard's will. So the Reapers survive (just like in Synthesis, which is wierd because you seem to be defending it, yet you use the same detail as a negative point for Control), yet they are assisting the species of our Galaxy.

Refuse is only feuled by a distain for teh Reapers. No one goes in to refuse thinking "Alright, Reapers, just kill us."

Synthesis turns us into monsters who plauge the Galaxy, Synthesizing or killing all life in their path. Synthesis is much worse.

How does Synthesis turn us into "monsters"? Don't interject your biases in such a way to distort the facts. It is pretty clear that from EDI's narration that the galaxy is much better off with synthesis. 

Your justification for control is foolish. Do you honestly think Shepard was special? The Reapers probably told TIM he was special too, and even TIM said that he wanted to control the Reapers to protect humanity, but that's not how it ended, was it?

You do make a good point about Destroy, so I will give you that. However, I think the Catalyst's logic is sound. The fact that there is peace doesn't mean there won't be conflict, potentially species-threatening conflict due to a technological singularity. While the Reapers are a bad solution, no solution is also a bad solution.

-Synthesis!Galaxy starts traveling outward
-Finds new life
-New life has a divide between Synthetic and Organic
-Reapers exist to make sure such a divide is regulated so everyone doesn't die
-Reapers will try to cull this new life
-Everyone can either let them Reap, try to stop the Reapers with force, or Synthesize the new life
-Delete or Upgrade are the only two outcomes for all life in their path
-Cybermen, Borg, Antispirals, Daleks, Reapers, ect...
-Monsters

[Jadebaby]

legion999 wrote...

Everything.

/thread..

[Icesong]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Icesong wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Icesong wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

 Fortunately, this doubt disappeared as the Catalyst informed me that this wasn‘t a forced advancement.  

People aren't a collective. Unless you're part of a race that's a collective, then okay. Consent is needed for it to not be forced. Even if it's something positive. 

having peace doesnt mean people become a collective...

I was trying to say that each individual would have to decide for themselves to be synthesized for it not to be a "forced advancement".

But then surely all the endings, except maybe control are bad.

Well, you know, all the endings are bad.

I wasn't saying synthesis is bad because it's forced though; just addressing the idea that it wasn't.

[daaaav]

Rojahar wrote...

daaaav wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

What actual harm results from the non-consensual synthesis, exactly? There's lack of consent for somebody in every ending. I fail to see what makes synthesis' non-consent the worst.

For me it's that a fundamental change is required for two groups of folks to get along.

How does that NOT rub you the wrong way?

I'm asking "How does genocide and mind rape not rub you the wrong way?"  How is synthesis so fundamentally worse than any other ending?

They're all bad... I don't understand why Bioware decided to do this. It's not an uplifting intellectual problem, it's a quagmire. Which atrocity would you rather commit??

"Gee thanks Biwoare.. I might just go back to working at the salt mine...It will make me feel better"

[Ieldra]

lx_theo wrote...
What's so wrong with it is that some people go to the ends of the Earth to assume the worst possible outcome from it based on what wasn't directly explained to their face.

Some like to ignore what was directly explained to their face, as well.

Synthesis is a very good ending. If it's the best I'll leave to everyone's individual opinion, but those people creep the hell out of me.

EDIT: At least that's in regards to the people who pronounce Synthesis as like some ultimate evil. There are plenty of people who just don't like it in contrast to the others, which is completely reasonable.

Yes. If people say "I don't want to make such a big change", or "I don't like the utopian vibes I get from it", ok, I understand that, but to invent invisible horrors just because you think for some inexplicable reason that Synthesis absolutely must be bad, that's insane.

Heh....just read that post above saying Synthesis turns us into monsters.....q.e.d. What the hell is wrong with these people?

[daaaav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
What's so wrong with it is that some people go to the ends of the Earth to assume the worst possible outcome from it based on what wasn't directly explained to their face.

Some like to ignore what was directly explained to their face, as well.

Synthesis is a very good ending. If it's the best I'll leave to everyone's individual opinion, but those people creep the hell out of me.

EDIT: At least that's in regards to the people who pronounce Synthesis as like some ultimate evil. There are plenty of people who just don't like it in contrast to the others, which is completely reasonable.

Yes. If people say "I don't want to make such a big change", or "I don't like the utopian vibes I get from it", ok, I understand that, but to invent invisible horrors just because you think for some inexplicable reason that Synthesis absolutely must be bad, that's insane.

Heh....just read that post above saying Synthesis turns us into monsters.....q.e.d. What the hell is wrong with these people?

Ieldra2, I'm not invventing any horrors. my problem with synthesis is simple.

I have a problem with the idea that two groups of folk can't accept each other without FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING both parties. Especially after showing time, time and time again that they CAN get along.

[noobcannon]

[Apple Lantern]

My default Shepard chose this as he wasn't willing to sacrifice the Geth/EDI, send everyone pretty much back to the stone age, and have them starve to death. He also isn't a hypocrite that would attempt to control the Reapers after he'd just gotten TIM to shoot himself while saying Control is a terrible idea. Synthesis, although he wasn't sure how it would work, was what he perceived as the best option to save the most lives. So he picked it.

Then, my alternate Shepard was hell-bent on tearing the Reapers apart after everything they'd done, especially after Anderson died. So, he shot the pipe.

Really, it's all up to perspective. Even after having Synthesis explained, I still find it as one of the best, if not the best, option to use. Okay, we're all Hybrids. But, we've got Reapers with a non-existant purpose that will now help us out with rebuilding.

[spirosz]

Ieldra2 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
What's so wrong with it is that some people go to the ends of the Earth to assume the worst possible outcome from it based on what wasn't directly explained to their face.

Some like to ignore what was directly explained to their face, as well.

Synthesis is a very good ending. If it's the best I'll leave to everyone's individual opinion, but those people creep the hell out of me.

EDIT: At least that's in regards to the people who pronounce Synthesis as like some ultimate evil. There are plenty of people who just don't like it in contrast to the others, which is completely reasonable.

Yes. If people say "I don't want to make such a big change", or "I don't like the utopian vibes I get from it", ok, I understand that, but to invent invisible horrors just because you think for some inexplicable reason that Synthesis absolutely must be bad, that's insane.

Heh....just read that post above saying Synthesis turns us into monsters.....q.e.d. What the hell is wrong with these people?

Why doesn't it show Javik becoming angry? Did Synthesis rearrange his beliefs?  

[MegaSovereign]

Random Jerkface wrote...

This is soooo full of win.

[Ieldra]

daaaav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
If people say "I don't want to make such a big change", or "I don't like the utopian vibes I get from it", ok, I understand that, but to invent invisible horrors just because you think for some inexplicable reason that Synthesis absolutely must be bad, that's insane.

Heh....just read that post above saying Synthesis turns us into monsters.....q.e.d. What the hell is wrong with these people?

Ieldra2, I'm not invventing any horrors. my problem with synthesis is simple.

I have a problem with the idea that two groups of folk can't accept each other without FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING both parties. Especially after showing time, time and time again that they CAN get along.

That's not a problem specific to Synthesis, but one with the whole ending setup. I can understand the Catalyst's logic in itself, the problem description makes sense for me and I can accept it as a premise, but yes, it feels like we spent three games proving the Catalyst wrong and succeeding, only to be told we've got it all wrong in the end. It's not a logic failure, but a storytelling failure.

As for the changes made, they give you new options but don't make you any less you than before, and they give synthetics that understanding they've always wanted. Everyone wins.

[MetioricTest]

Ok I was bored so here we go: Why I don't like the Synthesis ending in overly long and badly written story form. Guess it makes it fan-fiction.

Cut me some slack because I literally just made this up on the spot since it's more fun than ranting... So much so
that I actually called the guy "James" and only realized after I'd finished that I had to change it to Harry because of the Squadmate lol

Laura desperately clung to her brother's arm as she ran deeper into the woods, it was the only way she could keep up. The ruins of London far  behind her were now just a memory. "I'm tiiiiiiired! Can't we stop for a while? We've been running for hours!" Harry felt Laura tugging on his  arm, trying to slow him down. "No, not yet. We're almost there, okay? We  can stop once we're safe." Laura reluctantly pressed onwards as branches, twigs and leaves brushed against her and torn her clothes as she  went, leaving her envious of Harry's armor despite it's flimsiness. Obstacles were utterly unavoidable as it was bearely possible to see anything in the
darkness.

"Agggh! I thought uncle Douglas was going to bring us a skycar?" Laura said indignantly after a branch ripped a cut into her shoulder. Harry  grimaced and almost stopped running for a moment as he remembered what  happened, watching the Reaper effortlessly destroy the car with a devastating red beam. He'd seen it so many times before, that instant obliteration, the immense heat, glorious buildings brought down to piles of rubble in seconds, large powerful armies and the strongest of  armored vehicles reduced to a metallic/fleshy pulp on the floor. But this was different to all that somehow, Harry had lost so many friends and  family already that he realized in that moment he couldn't afford to  lose Laura. People had sacrificed so much to protect their loved ones and it was all worthless, they all failed. Millions across the Earth all failed, no matter the plans, the strength, the  resources... Nobody had  escape the Reapers undamaged. He had to protect her, had to protect something successfully, somebody had to.

"Douglas is... Let's just say we won't see him for a while okay? Think of this as exercise." Harry tried to keep his voice upbeat. He failed. Laura had already seen too much. So much  death and destruction over months of hiding in fear. It was too much for even her young mind to  simply dismiss. There was silence again for a while as they pressed on until Laura's pains made her speak up again. "I don't get why we have to go to the woods anyway. I don't see how that's safe." Harry wondered  how to reply, she was right really. Nowhere was safe. "The Reapers focus on areas with high populations. Like cities. There's a small house here in the middle of nowhere. The Reapers should leave it alone and some  friends will take care of you once you're there."

Laura couldn't help but pick up on the last sentence. "You're not  staying with me!?" Laura said with surprise and alarm. Harry sighed  heavily and for the first time in hours stopped running so he could look at Laura directly eye to eye. "I can't. Listen to me. A lot is happening back in London. That's why you had to leave. The reapers are in force and almost the entire resistance has converged to fight them. It's happening right now. I need to get back to them." Laura couldn't believe her ears and couldn't help but shout "Who cares!? What difference does one human make anyway! And you've already left them! You've been running away  from your post all day!" the noise echoed around the empty woods like it was taunting them. Harry sighed deeply again, feeling conflicted but  determined. "Yes I did. To make sure you were safe. Not because I was afraid. The Reapers have to be defeated and we all will have to pitch in to do it every single one of us. For me that means I have to fight. For you that means you have to survive." Harry tried to state his words  with purpose but they weren't working on Laura who just became  increasingly angry and scared. "But they don't need you! You can ju-"

Harry interrupted his sister by raising his hand, then pointing up to  the sky. "Look up." Laura looked away from her brother for the first  time all day and gazed into space, through the gaps in the trees. There were ships everywhere of all shapes and sizes from all races, Reapers,  Geth, Quarians, Humans, Asari, Turians, Vorcha. Ships she'd only seen in pictures from far off worlds. All battling at immense speeds. Mutli-colored explosions lighting up the nightsky like grotesque fireworks. Laura felt amazed and ashamed that she hadn't noticed them until now. Harry noticed Laura's shock and anger begin to dissipate slightly. "All these races. The largest fleet in history and the bulk of the Reaper forces. Nearly half a billion people up there. Despite their differences, despite their flaws and hatreds and race. They've come together and are working together as one powerful force of many varieties. They're dying together. Dying so that  the Reapers can be  defeated and so people like you can survive. I can't leave them to it  and just run away. One day you'll understand that. Now come on."



Laura wanted to argue but knew Harry wouldn't let her. He grabbed her by the arm again and continued to pull her through the woods. Eventually  after what felt like another hour of running through the harsh terrain in the dark, they reached their destination. A small wooden shack,  barely distinguishable from the trees in the darkness. A stark contrast  to the amazing technologies Harry grew up with when London was standing in glory. But something was amiss, the shack was devoid of life, not  movement or light was coming from within. Nobody came out to greet them as they approached.



"Something's wrong." Harry said as he quickly equipped his Kessler II with his right hand and held out his left arm to block Laura's advance. "Stay here." Harry instructed Larua as he carefully approached the shack. Using only the torch at the end of his Kessler II for light he entered the shack and explored... Soon wishing he hadn't. The shack was full of corpses. Eight bodies, six of whom were friends he recognized. Horribly and gruesomely slaughtered like cattle, blood was everywhere and several severed body parts were scattered. Then he saw it, a husk idly staring blankly at one of the bodies... Just standing still with blood dripping from it's hands... It had literally ripped the defenseless men and women to pieces and then just stopped, awaiting instructions maybe? It looked just looked so blankly peaceful.


Then that fleeting moment passed, the husk saw Harry's light and charged at him wildly like an animal. Harry was more than prepared and fired several rounds directly into the husk's skull, perhaps a few too many as it fell to the ground easily enough. Landing with a disturbing squelch on the wet bloody corpse of a dead woman, one of the two he did not know. Harry felt the smallest of comforts in realizing that at least he prevented Laura from seeing this sight. But that husk wouldn't be alone however and they needed to get out of here. He quickly left the shack to tell Laura they needed to run, only to see a Banshee materialize to his horror out of no where right behind her.



"NO!" Harry screamed out in desperation as he frantically reached for his Kessler II and fired wildly. But it was too late. The Banshee impaled Laura through the chest with it's long knife-like hand. Only one of the panicked Kessler shots connected, hitting the Banshee in the leg with minimal effect. Larua gasped bitterly in an attempt to scream in pain, coughing up blood from her mouth as she bleed profusely from her chest. Slowly bleeding out in agony. The Banshee turned her attention to Harry while still holding Laura in her hand like a living puppet and shrieked out a wave of biotic force that sent Harry plummeting into the Shack's wall with intense velocity, cracking his armor in several places and doing incredible internal damage to his organs.


Harry cursed himself as he realized his attack just provoked the Banshee, causing Laura's death to be slow and painful instead of quick. He scrambled with his Kessler II trying to reload it and get back to his feet but he stumbled from pain and fell back down to floor. He knew there was nothing more he could do and closed his eyes so he didn't have to watch the Banshee finish off  his sister. This was another mistake, even with his eyes closed he could hear Laura's muffled attempts at screaming in pain and pleading for help. Even over her coughing blood and the Banshee's awful shrieks. Then it was over, the screaming stopped and he heard a soft thud as Laura's body was dropped to the mud. He still couldn't bare to look and guided only by the Banshee's continuing shrieks fired a barrage of shots from his Kessler II. They all connected directly in the head and chest causing the Banshee to fall with one final ear-piercing shriek. But it hardly felt like a victory.


Harry had failed. There was no safety, he couldn't protect Laura, more Reaper forces are surely lurking mere meters away and he could never make it back to London in his current condition. He wondered if it was worth shooting himself right there. At least it would be over, and painlessly. He couldn't think of anything useful he could do for anyone anymore in his condition and location.


Harry stood still, leaning against the shack wall. He didn't know for how long. He couldn't focus on anything and stared blankly into nothing until suddenly he felt the ground tremble before him. Trees began to fall down from every direction and he heard the sickeningly familiar sound of indistinguishable metallic Reaper noises. Then he saw it. Almost like a giant red floating eye in the  darkness, a reaper stood before him in the distance. Harry laughed bitterly, his own  personal Reaper executioner was approaching... It didn't even seem scary anymore. Just amusing and grand. Like some kind of joke with an  unknowable punchline.

The reaper could see Harry now. He was sure of it and wondered why it  did not just blast him to oblivion from a distance. But it didn't, it  continued to approach. It almost looked elegant in the darkness. "I hate you..." Harry didn't realize he said it, it seemed so juvenile and  obvious. The Reapers had killed billions, turned billions more into mindlessly slaves, destroyed his planet, his  home, his family, his friends. Everything was in ruins thanks to their evil... But yet it felt good to say.  Harry raised his Kessler II against the oncoming Reaper like it actually meant something. "I hate you! And everything you've done! Someone will make you pay for this... Someone has to, you will not take Earth!" The last part wasn't anger, it was a plea and a prayer.


Harry expected to die in that moment. Engulfed in a disintegrating red beam. But it didn't happen. To his surprise the Reaper paused. Was it examining him? Taunting him? Curious? He could not tell, just a big red eye directly above him. And it seemed focused. Then to his shock it spoke "Human, you are shortsighted. Your world will become our laboratories. We are unstoppable." the Reaper spoke with a booming eletronic voice that sent a chill down Harry's spine, but Harry had nothing left to lose. He was not afraid and did not even care why the Reaper choose to speak to him. "Then I guess the fighting in the sky is just a Reaper Firework display then? And not the galaxy showing you whatwe're really made of!" And with that Harry fired an entire clip from his Kessler II at the Reaper, point blank directly into it's red eye. The attack had absolutely no effect of any kind and Harry realized it was the last thermal clip he had.


Reaper forces began to emerge from the shadows. Mostly Husks with some Marauders and another Banshee. They all stopped in a semi-circle around the Reaper. Completely surrounding Harry. "Pitiful. You are vermin,
flumbling in arrogance. Y-" Harry threw the Kessler II itself at the Reaper's big red eye. "Oh shut up! Just die or kill me but shut the ****up!"


The Reaper made one of it's almost trademark metallic growling noises and Harry felt some heat begin to gather. But then before anything could happen the ground vibrated as if the entire Earth was shaking. There was a powerfully immense dazzling beam bursting through the sky! Brightening it up until it was almost like daylight. Harry looked up and noticed that all the Victory fleet had gone or was retreating. Even the Reaper itself became distracted for a moment at the spectacle. Then there was a second enormous explosion, different to the first. This one was like a bubble and it was growing, heading towards the Earth and engulfing the sky it's wake.



Now Harry really did feel afraid. But there was nothing he could do. The beam approached and then within seconds passed through him and the reaper along with it's forces... Harry felt his body change, his insides were moving, he was thinking...or was it processing... His vision was clearer, like there were things he could see that he couldn't before such as the temperature of an object. He suddenly remembered childhood memories he had long since forgotten as crystal clear as if they had happened moments ago and he noticed strange features on his arms... But  it did not bother him, he felt... Happy.

Then the biggest change of all. He looked upon the Reaper in front of him and the Reaper looked back. He no longer felt angry. Somehow all the destruction and death felt unimportant. He finally understood the Reaper and he knew the Reaper understood him. The Reaper spoke first "We need to rebuild." Well obviously! Harry thought to himself.

Harry suddenly realized his internal organs weren't hurting anymore and sprung back into action like he was truly born again "Come on! There's power-cells and food supplies in the shack. They'd be been stockpiling it for a while so they could hide! Let's get it to London!" the husks and marauders stepped to it. Entering the shack and trying to gather the blood stained supplies stacked all over the place. "Bah!" one of the husks exclaimed as he awkwardly stumbled over the corpses of the dead husk and unknown woman "These bodies are really getting in the way!" Harry shrugged. "Don't worry, there's a big firewood canister outside. We can use it as dumpster for the bodies." Harry picked up a severed hand and  tossed it through the open door into the canister to demonstrate, which wasn't even a challenge thanks to his new eyes.

"That's a good idea!" proclaimed one of the Marauders as he trampled over  some corpses to pick up blood-stained power-cell. So working as a team, Harry and the Husks pulled all pieces of the 9 bodies out of the shack and hurled them into the canister while the Marauders collected the supplies and loaded them into the Reaper.

Then Harry noticed Laura's brutalized corpse lying on the ground for the first time. "Hey wait a moment! There's one thing I have to go before we go!" Harry walked over to the body and carefully picked her up, examining her closely and rummaging through her pockets. "Nope, nothing  valuable." Harry then casually dropped the body back down face-first  into the mud. "Okay let's get back to London!"


As the Reaper took off into the sky, Harry became bored with the silence and began to sing. "Show me the way to go home! I'm tired and I want to go to bed!  Come on everybody!" The husks hesitated. "Ermm... We don't
know that song."Harry laughed "Don't worry I'll tell you the words." One of the Marauders grinned at Harry and raised his fleshy/metallic arm "Tell us? You don't have to tell us anymore!" Harry looked at his arm and thoughts flashed through his mind, a message from the Marauder [We can uplink information and share it together digitally now.] [Hey this is pretty cool! Okay here are the words!]



And then they sang together! The Reaper itself included!" "Show me the way to go home! I'm tired and I want to go to bed! I had a little drink  about an hour ago! And it went right to my head! Where ever I may roam." [Just the women!] The Banshee rose to her feet and in her screeching voice "On land or sea or foam! You will always hear me singing this song!" [All together now!] "Show me the way to go home!"


And so Harry, the Husks, Marauders and Banshee flew back home to London inside the Reaper, where they met with their fellow friends and began to rebuild what they once lost in a new found unity of understanding between all races! And they all lived happily ever after.



The end.

Modifié par MetioricTest, 13 juillet 2012 - 06:08 .

[daaaav]

That doesn't really explain why folks seem to 'like' the idea...

For myself, I don't know any synthetic organisms but in Mass Effect, it seems that organics and synthetics were already well on the way to understanding each other.

I'll agree that it's more a story telling failure than purely a logical one. The game NEVER convinced me that organics and synthetics were doomed to fight each other.

[k-stigus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

This is soooo full of win.

photo's been airbrushed, no green circuitry

Modifié par k-stigus, 13 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Volc19 wrote...

-Synthesis!Galaxy starts traveling outward
-Finds new life
-New life has a divide between Synthetic and Organic
-Reapers exist to make sure such a divide is regulated so everyone doesn't die
-Reapers will try to cull this new life
-Everyone can either let them Reap, try to stop the Reapers with force, or Synthesize the new life
-Delete or Upgrade are the only two outcomes for all life in their path
-Cybermen, Borg, Antispirals, Daleks, Reapers, ect...
-Monsters

Fan fiction.  Based off the actual facts surrounding how synthesis works, eveything in the Galaxy was effected, everything single organic and synthetic lifeform.  That means the only things that will not be effected by Synthesis is primordial goo that forms after the Synthesis burst.  It will take hundred of millions of years for that life to reach a level of the current races.  By that time, as hinted by EDI, who knows what most Synthesis life will be or "where" it will be.  It's entirely possible for new primordial goo and new life to become infected with Synthesis by extraterrestrial life and objects (asteroids, meteors, the races of the galaxy, thresher maws etc.)

Second we see exactly how Synthesis looks in the ending cinematics.  Anyone saying everyone's now Borg wasn't paying attention.  The technology involved with Synthesis (the super magic-like nanobots/energy infusing DNA and vice versa for synthetics) makes Cybermen, Borg, Huskification etc. look like stone age technology.  There's definitely no machinery, implants or cybernetic autmentations in the ending clips.  The Catalyst pretty much states the purpose of Synthesis is fast forward past that type of technology by making Organics innately AI-like in ability, while making Synthetics partially Organic and able to think like and finally understand Organics.  Why would the Catalyst need to make Synthetics have more empathy and free thought if Organics were turned into emotionless cyborgs?

Probably one of the most heart felt scenes is where EDI shows true empathy towards Shepard's LI hugging them when they break down form the thought of Shepard's death.  There's absolutely no evidence that anyone has been Borgified.  Quite the contrary.  Basically everyone's still the same, just with a lot more intelligence, innate ability, knowledge and understanding about the world around them.  Some may say this is stupid because it's all ponies and rainbows, but why is a society close to a Utopian state stupid?  Isn't this what good-natured human beings strive for everyday?  Wouldn't it be nice and groundbreaking if civilzation actually blossomed instead of being in an endless cycle of golden ages followed by dark ages?  Again the ending clips still show many ranges of emotions.  If people aren't robots and robots are more like people, what's the problem?

Third the Reapers are no longer governed by the Catalyst's directive, unlike the ones in control still being under Shepard's influence.  There is absolutely no more Reap button, just like Destroy.  In the Synthesis ending they're now truly indpeendent beings able to take advantage of the knowledge and memories of countless civilizations.  What were once machines of destruction are now pinnacles of civilization helping the other races rebuild.  Clearly stated in the ending cutscenes.

Fourthly we see clips of higher civilization for almost every culture.  Krogans (Tuchanka Utopia), Quarians/Geth (Living together and thriving peacefully) are shown to reach new heights unlike the Control/Destroy endings.

The other endings have a much higher chance of slipping into destopia or ruin.  Shepard may have to become what he fought in order to stop Synthetics dominance in Control.  This could mean wiping out civilizations both Organic and Synthetic.  Destroy has absolutely no safeguards and anytihng could happen (even a final solution along the lines of Reaper cycles).  Ignoring this while applying all these worst case scenarios to Synthesis that tend to ignore what we saw in the endings is disingenuous.  A lot of arguments against it seem to derive from either not liking it because its "different," because of the "space-magic," for ethical reasons or because Shepard definitely dies and only leaves behind his actions/DNA as a lasting legacy.

The only problem I agree with is the ethical one of Shepard forcefully choosing to change every single thing into a "perfected" lifeform.  Then again Control, Destroy an Refuse (especially Refuse) deal with the exact same ethical dilemma of one choosing the fate of the many.  It's just that Synthesis is so much more permanent.

Finally I would like to ask the following question:

If tomorrow you knew you had a choice between being the way you are now, or being augmented into a partially synthetic being with an extended lifespan, an immunity to most ailments, the processing power of an AI, the ability to understand just about anything and the ability to interface with any technology, all while keeping your personality and emotions intact, would you refuse or accept the upgrade?  The only drawback being that your skin has waves of glowing energy making you easy to see in the dark and maybe making it harder to sleep...


Edit:  Not so much a problem in the Synthesis ending since everyone will be that way.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 13 juillet 2012 - 07:07 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

First we have the hypothetical synthetics threat. There is no evidence of such a threat. The only synthetics we have seen are in trouble because the reapers caused that trouble. That's true for the zha'til in Javik's cycle, true for the heretics and true for the geth at Rannoch. Then we have the quarians which caused the Morning War.

The only synthetics that we know of who turned against their creators were the reapers. The first "true" reaper turned against its creators without their approval. Then they systematically wiped out all civilizations every 50K years for aeons. That means that the only threat that comes close to the brat's description are the reapers themselves. It is interesting to note that the "ascension through destruction" method used is also the reproduction method of those very same reapers. Obviously the predators rather kept their cycles going then really do something about the "problem" they were supposed to fix. However, nobody asked them to "fix" that problem and they interfered without the consent in matters of those they were supposed to protect by exterminating them. In short they were violating the right of self-determination by the most horrific means imaginable. Their terror lasted for about 1 billion years.

If synthesis, which again is a violation of the right of self-determination, is to be a solution for that hypothetical threat then it makes no sense to join up with the brat and its boys and keep them alive, because, given the above, the brat and its boys are not the solution, they are the problem.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 13 juillet 2012 - 07:11 .

[Random Geth]

Hey, OP. Why haven't you read a single Synthesis thread? You obviously haven't, if you honestly don't have answers to this question in enormous detail.

[alienatedflea]

OdanUrr wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Two reasons why I personally don't buy it:

1) It makes no sense. The idea of synthetics turning into organics has not been explored in the Mass Effect universe before and has no scientific basis for it that I'm aware of. I'm not sure it even qualifies as science fiction.

2) Shepard is effectively turning everyone into a new species without their consent. If it were the only way to defeat the Reapers, it would've presented an interesting dilemma: are you prepared to save the galaxy even if it means taking away their free will?

Nonetheless, I respect it as a choice that suffered from a serious lack of exposition as did the majority of the ending and, to some extent, ME3 as a whole.

huh? maybe you need to watch the synthesis EC ending again...that doesnt happen...

It was implied in the original endings and strengthened now with the EC, particularly in this scene:

um organics become hybrids while synthetics can finally understand the nature of oragnics...not synthetics turning into organics (literally)