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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Not gonna lie, some of that animation looked painful (others use the word "cheap" or "unpolished").

The project itself seems underfunded.  What happened to the era of great traditional animation (east and west)?

I doubt you know what you're talking about with animation because of the vast amount of styles in cartoons, Anime, and CGI.  Its okay if you don't personally like something while you forget that everything isn't designed only for you.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.  It seems that you may have missed the part where I said "east and west."  That should've implied your aforementioned "cartoons, anime, and CGI."  This isn't about "style," it's about fidelity.

And are you implying that animation quality is designed to taste?  Sorry to say, but it's not (It's only designed to budget and ability).  You're not gonna find a consumer that tells you "I like animation that's poorly done in the movies I buy because it's a personal preference of mine."

I think this animation level would get more of a pass if it were a TV series... but as a full-fledged movie...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:19 .

[Confused-Shepard]

I am infuriated and insulted by people constantly putting down anime. It's not just some WEIRD JAPANESE THING alright? It's simply animation originated in Japan. By putting down anime you are also putting down Hanna Barberra and Walt Disney, the latter was an inspiration to the early anime industry in Japan. It's a medium and comes in several different genre's and styles. Get out of your ignorant mindset, watch a real anime drama like House Of Five Leaves and forget nonsense like Naruto and DBZ, those are Japanese Ben 10, practically for toddlers and dumb teens.There is nothing INFECTING about it, it's an art style, it's a medium, period.

[NRieh]

I doubt you know what you're talking about with animation because of the vast amount of styles in cartoon

There are different styles, yes. But key word is "style" here, I did not notice anything "stylish" about trailer. No "alive" characters, no pictured universe. The only character which did more or less fine in game (Vega) is shown like 10 years younger from his ME3 version.

If you want to see example of what I mean by "stylish" - take a look at "Animatrix" (also provides huge variaty of draw styles), "serial experiments lain" or "Full Metal Alchemist"(first edition).  Or almost anything from ghibly.

Probably, they will fix this with really nice plot. But after "Deception" (by the way. Did they remake it?) I would not hope for that much.

Modifié par Nrieh, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:11 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I am infuriated and insulted by people constantly putting down anime. It's not just some WEIRD JAPANESE THING alright? It's simply animation originated in Japan. By putting down anime you are also putting down Hanna Barberra and Walt Disney, the latter was an inspiration to the early anime industry in Japan. It's a medium and comes in several different genre's and styles. Get out of your ignorant mindset, watch a real anime drama like House Of Five Leaves and forget nonsense like Naruto and DBZ, those are Japanese Ben 10, practically for toddlers and dumb teens.There is nothing INFECTING about it, it's an art style, it's a medium, period.

Agreed.  Style and Fidelity are two seperate things.  Both east and western animation have their bad apples.  Likewise, east and western animation have their brilliant works as well.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

xsdob wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Not gonna lie, some of that animation looked painful (others use the word "cheap" or "unpolished").

The project itself seems underfunded.  What happened to the era of great traditional animation (east and west)?

George W Bush and the recession.

You know what?  Maybe

[Blueprotoss]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
 
I know exactly what I'm talking about.  It seems that you may have missed the part where I said "east and west."  That should've implied your aforementioned "cartoons, anime, and CGI."  This isn't about "style," it's about fidelity.

I see you missed the whole "east and west" thing and the differences in the different animation types.  I also see that you don't watch that much animation especially when its Anime because Paragon Lost is just one of the many styles in the Anime type of animation.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote... 

And are you implying that animation quality is designed to taste?  Sorry to say, but it's not (It's only designed to budget and ability).  You're not gonna find a consumer that tells you "I like animation that's poorly done in the movies I buy because it's a personal preference of mine." 

I see that you're still digging yourself into a hole whether artists' actually decide what style they want or that animation isn't done for a small group of people.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote... 


I think this animation level would get more of a pass if it were a TV series... but as a full-fledged movie...

Either way you'll want more while I doubt thats the truth since you're complaining about Anime in general.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Agreed.  Style and Fidelity are two seperate things.  Both east and western animation have their bad apples.  Likewise, east and western animation have their brilliant works as well.

Yet you're going against that and solely basing it on art alone instead of just watching it. Btw why would you agree based on your unreasonable putdowns of Anime?

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:59 .

[Lazengan]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I am infuriated and insulted by people constantly putting down anime. It's not just some WEIRD JAPANESE THING alright? It's simply animation originated in Japan. By putting down anime you are also putting down Hanna Barberra and Walt Disney, the latter was an inspiration to the early anime industry in Japan. It's a medium and comes in several different genre's and styles. Get out of your ignorant mindset, watch a real anime drama like House Of Five Leaves and forget nonsense like Naruto and DBZ, those are Japanese Ben 10, practically for toddlers and dumb teens.There is nothing INFECTING about it, it's an art style, it's a medium, period.

In the west, cartoons are thought of as something for children and is not taken as seriously, whereas in Japan, anime is a medium that children and adults can enjoy. Japanese voice actors in fact stress much more emotion in their roles with the freedom of voice acting. Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale would be much more appreciated in Japan than here.

What these silly white peoples don't understand is that there are different types and genres of Anime, similar to how hollywood can spew out good views in one instance, and crap at others. They also need to understand that different cultures value different things

but let them bask in their arrogance

[Jadebaby]

That was good for a laugh.

Oh boy..

[Applepie_Svk]

First time I saw guy with glasses in Mass Effect... even better he looks like some school nerd...

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Blueprotoss wrote...
I see you missed the whole "east and west" thing and the differences in the different animation types.  I also see that you don't watch that much animation especially when its Anime because Paragon Lost is just one of the many styles in the Anime type of animation.

Please don't argue just to argue, I'm the one that said "east and west" lol.  I'm well aware of the animation types (hence why I said "east and west."  If there was no difference between them I wouldn't have mentioned it.  Being "anime" doesn't excuse poor animation... especially for a feature film.

I see that you're still digging yourself into a hole whether artists' actually decide what style they want or that animation isn't done for a small group of people.

Style and Quality are two different things.  Quality is based on budget and talent.  Style is based on preference and taste.

Either way you'll want more while I doubt thats the truth since you're complaining about Anime in general.

Find where I complained about "Anime in general" and you get a digital cookie.  I love anime... what we have here is just poor animation.  Please understand the difference.  "Anime" is not synonymous with bad animation quality.  There's just a moment or two in that trailer that looked painful from an animation quality perspective.  Unpolished or underfunded.

Yet you're going against that and solely basing it on art alone instead of just watching it. Btw why would you agree based on your unreasonable putdowns of Anime?

You should get some sleep, take a break, or something to get your mind clear and come back to this.  I never put down anime... ever.  Stop projecting and look at what I actually say.  Thanks.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 14 juillet 2012 - 08:43 .

[Blueprotoss]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Please don't argue just to argue, I'm the one that said "east and west" lol.  I'm well aware of the animation types (hence why I said "east and west."  If there was no difference between them I wouldn't have mentioned it.  Being "anime" doesn't excuse poor animation... especially for a feature film.

 Yet you are arguing just to argue, which goes against what you preached.  Again you seem t know nothing about animation while I'm not surprised because of your ignorance.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote... 

Style and Quality are two different things.  Quality is based on budget and talent.  Style is based on preference and taste.

 Yet style and quality are subjective while that doesn't reflect budget or talent.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote... 

Find where I complained about "Anime in general" and you get a digital cookie.  I love anime... what we have here is just poor animation.  Please understand the difference.  "Anime" is not synonymous with bad animation quality.

You're complaining about "Anime in general" based on the trailer itself.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote... 

You should get some sleep, take a break, or something to get your mind clear and come back to this.  I never put down anime... ever.  Stop projecting and look at what I actually say.  Thanks.

Yet you're comments tell us another story.

[PlatonicWaffles]

"First Trailer For ‘Mass Effect 3′..."
*opens tab*

"First Trailer For ‘Mass Effect 3′ Anime Prequel"
*closes tab*

[MassStorm]

Dylia wrote...

"First Trailer For ‘Mass Effect 3′..."
*opens tab*

"First Trailer For ‘Mass Effect 3′ Anime Prequel"
*closes tab*

LOL this so true. I sincerely dislike anime and really ME didn't need it at all.

[PlatonicWaffles]

MassStorm wrote...

Dylia wrote...

"First Trailer For ‘Mass Effect 3′..."
*opens tab*

"First Trailer For ‘Mass Effect 3′ Anime Prequel"
*closes tab*

LOL this so true. I sincerely dislike anime and really ME didn't need it at all.

Join the club. I was hoping it was something to do with Leviathan.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you are arguing just to argue, which goes against what you preached.  Again you seem t know nothing about animation while I'm not surprised because of your ignorance.

I'd love to see you prove anything you just said there (Spoiler: You cannot).  The ignorance is yours alone.

 Yet style and quality are subjective while that doesn't reflect budget or talent.

Are you implying that animation can't be improved... because it's subjective?  So a 2fps animation done on 1s is high quality to the subjective eye for realistic, smooth human motion?  Think it through.

You're complaining about "Anime in general" based on the trailer itself.

Incorrect.  Seems like you're the one who hasn't seen many anime.

Yet you're comments tell us another story.

Incorrect.  Take your time and try reading what I said again.  I can walk you through it if you want.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 14 juillet 2012 - 09:04 .

[Chromie]

Mass Effect anime in the vain of Cowboy Bebop?

Oh who am I kidding Bioware could never match it.

[Blueprotoss]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I'd love to see you prove anything you just said there (Spoiler: You cannot).  The ignorance is yours alone.

Thats a huge straw-mann especially when animation isn't a spoiler.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote... 

Are you implying that animation can't be improved... because it's subjective?  So a 2fps animation done on 1s is high quality to the subjective eye for realistic human motion?  Think it through.

Yet you're view on animation in general is subective.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...  

Incorrect.  Seems like you're the one who hasn't seen many anime.

Yet the one thats Anime bashing is you not me.

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote... 
Incorrect.  Take your time and try reading what I said again.  I can walk you through it if you want.

Yet you don't practice what you preach.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Thats a huge straw-mann especially when animation isn't a spoiler.

Get some rest and then lets try this again  I won't hold it against you.

Yet you're view on animation in general is subective.

You feel that everyone's view on animation in general is subjective.

Yet the one thats Anime bashing is you not me.

Again, feel free to prove it (Spoiler: You cannot)

Yet you don't practice what you preach.

I always practice what I preach.  Feel free to prove otherwise (Spoiler:  You cannot)

[Peranor]

Lazengan wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I am infuriated and insulted by people constantly putting down anime. It's not just some WEIRD JAPANESE THING alright? It's simply animation originated in Japan. By putting down anime you are also putting down Hanna Barberra and Walt Disney, the latter was an inspiration to the early anime industry in Japan. It's a medium and comes in several different genre's and styles. Get out of your ignorant mindset, watch a real anime drama like House Of Five Leaves and forget nonsense like Naruto and DBZ, those are Japanese Ben 10, practically for toddlers and dumb teens.There is nothing INFECTING about it, it's an art style, it's a medium, period.

In the west, cartoons are thought of as something for children and is not taken as seriously, whereas in Japan, anime is a medium that children and adults can enjoy. Japanese voice actors in fact stress much more emotion in their roles with the freedom of voice acting. Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale would be much more appreciated in Japan than here.

What these silly white peoples don't understand is that there are different types and genres of Anime, similar to how hollywood can spew out good views in one instance, and crap at others. They also need to understand that different cultures value different things

but let them bask in their arrogance

At leat I isn't putting it down just becase it's a animated movie.

Im putting it down because, frankly, it has an absolute garbage animation and art style. It looks cheap even by anime standards. Really... that anime looks 20 years old. 

[DJepic112]

Is Freddie Prinz at least doing the voice acting for Vega? I'm not excited about this at all since we know how the story ends anyway. A prequel does nothing.

[femio21]

what is this crap...they keep destroying mass effect not looking good

Modifié par femio21, 14 juillet 2012 - 09:56 .

[Peranor]

DJepic112 wrote...

Is Freddie Prinz at least doing the voice acting for Vega? I'm not excited about this at all since we know how the story ends anyway. A prequel does nothing.

I read somewhere that he is doing the voice acting. Not sure if it has been confirmed though.

[Eain]

I guess now we know why we got James Vega instead of a recurring face on our ME3 team.

So they could do spinoff material with a blank-slate character.

Solid artistic integrity right there, brahs.

[NRieh]

Really... that anime looks 20 years old.

Hey, some "oldschool" is really nice. Not sure about 20 yrs, but there are great series (andfull-length) which are ~10yrs or older. Take GitS, which they even put on trailer - it looked much better, and it was 1995. Or "On your mark", which is also 1995.

[LilyasAvalon]

Well that was... something.

Bioware.. this is just a bit of friendly advice... but after the DA 'anime' movie... and now this... Seriously, stop trying to be cool, it's a little... pathetic.